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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2015,00:35   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 07 2015,21:50)
The nutcases in this forum are just talking trash that they should better than misrepresent, but in a forum like this they're just scum that gets away with saying anything.

Says the person who bases his entire argument on the assertion, without documentation, of molecular and cellular intelligence.  Stop projecting, and document it, Gary.  Tell us how we can measure it.  Demonstrate whether an acorn has more intelligence or less or the same compared to a mushroom or a jellyfish of the same size.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2015,00:36   

Or in other words: connecting inputs and outputs of the grid neurons (as in the Grid Network program) causes it to self-oscillate. The picture is seen changing back and forth between two states of the cycle that is being generated. To see what I am talking about compiled code for Windows for the Attractor Network is at http://intelligencegenerator.blogspot.com/....pot.com

This is not a static memory. The Grid Network provides the critter with an "internal world model" map that works using "waves" that propagate around neurons locations signaling as a border to navigate around. Without the wave generation there is no way to influence the behavior of other places some distance away, which produces a force vector to map out shortest route towards an (all outputs are on) attractor location. The direction towards at any point along the way exists in what neurons are all together signaling back and forth to each other.

Very simple rules can make a network come to life in ways that helps make sense of what is being discovered where there are electrical "fields" to form maps, somehow at some level being used in planning and guiding motion from place to place.

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2015,00:50   

Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 08 2015,00:35)
Stop projecting, and document it, Gary.

I already did!!

If that is not good enough then tell your sleezy ass friends to stop playing academic games and see to it that I get funding like everyone else would!!!!!!!!!

Cheap parasites endlessly make ridiculous demands while ignoring all that was shown to them. Creep.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2015,01:15   



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2015,07:04   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 08 2015,09:50)
Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 08 2015,00:35)
Stop projecting, and document it, Gary.

I already did!!

If that is not good enough then tell your sleezy ass friends to stop playing academic games and see to it that I get funding like everyone else would!!!!!!!!!

Cheap parasites endlessly make ridiculous demands while ignoring all that was shown to them. Creep.

The Nobel has already been awarded for the remarkable grid neuron discovery. You and YOUR sleezy friends at the discotute have nothing. As far as your hopeless claims go all that you deserve you already have.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2015,07:27   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 08 2015,01:50)
Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 08 2015,00:35)
Stop projecting, and document it, Gary.

I already did!!

If that is not good enough then tell your sleezy ass friends to stop playing academic games and see to it that I get funding like everyone else would!!!!!!!!!

Cheap parasites endlessly make ridiculous demands while ignoring all that was shown to them. Creep.

You did no such thing.

Further, you have done exactly nothing to warrant any support at all, least of all financial.

You can't "explain" what intelligence is until you can explain, with operational definitions, what you mean by 'intelligence'.
You steadfastly refuse to do so.

YOUR failure, YOUR poverty, YOUR FAULT that you get no  funding.
You are being taken precisely as seriously as you deserve to be.

The only cheap parasite here is you.  And the ridiculous part is all you are drawing off for your own sustenance is contempt and ridicule.
Well, as they say, whatever floats your boat.

Oh, and do please take note that we're not ignoring what's being presented to us by you.  We've demolished it from stem to stern, to stick with the nautical metaphors.
We've obliterated it in each and every regard.
You have steadfastly refused to engage with questions raised, with challenges raised, with contradictions pointed out to you, and you have done so while maintaining Nixonian levels of dishonesty about what you are up to, who you are associated with, and what your opponents are doing.
It is not just your "theory" that is contemptible trash, Gary.
You are also.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2015,07:36   

Gary have you considered Patreon?

There's bound to be someone out there daft enough willing to fund your adventures in real-science and your ongoing war against the man.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2015,08:36   

Quote (Woodbine @ Mar. 08 2015,08:36)
Gary have you considered Patreon?

There's bound to be someone out there daft enough willing to fund your adventures in real-science and your ongoing war against the man.

Why are you making these ridiculous demands of poor Gary?
Money should rain down on him from the sky, like golden showers.  He's just that special.

snicker

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2015,09:07   

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and see to it that I get funding like everyone else

The depth of misunderstanding in that statement is awesome.

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2015,10:36   

Let's review the status of various of Gary's "Let's Pretend!" claims.



Heiserman procedures are Hebbian learning: FALSE

Heiserman Gamma is like "sleep": FALSE

Presence of Trehub neural models in PSC VB code: FALSE

Presence of NEURONS like Lehman and Stanley in PSC VB code: FALSE

Link between Heiserman Gamma and recent research on place and grid nerve cells: Unsubstantiated, most likely FALSE

New claim:
 
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Or in other words: connecting inputs and outputs of the grid neurons (as in the Grid Network program) causes it to self-oscillate.


Nothing in GridCellNetwork.frm indicates the presence of any neuron model. (There is not even a comment with "neur" in it anywhere.) Oscillation is a common outcome of feedback systems in general, and such behavior says nothing about entailing a neural representation. Gary should indicate what neuron model he is using and in which line numbers there is an implementation. Survey of the code indicates the claim is likely FALSE.



And it looks like those claims are quite stable in that configuration.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2015,18:24   

Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 08 2015,17:07)
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and see to it that I get funding like everyone else

The depth of misunderstanding in that statement is awesome.

Come now intelligent neuron force vectors and intelligent neuron "waves" have got to be the new science of intelligent neurons. Where's Gary's prize, gimme gimme gimme.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2015,07:26   

Yes, Wesley is just another defamatory creep.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2015,09:00   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 09 2015,15:26)
Yes, Wesley is just another defamatory creep.

So in Gary speak Wes' observations are true?

Put up or shut up Gary. All you need to do is show Wes he is incorrect by answering the challenge.

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Gary should indicate what neuron model he is using and in which line numbers there is an implementation. Survey of the code indicates the claim is likely FALSE.


For example are you using the sigmoid function.....or are you sigmoid fraud?

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2015,10:11   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 09 2015,08:26)
Yes, Wesley is just another defamatory creep.

Yeah, being able to prove that you are lying is just so so defamatory.
It's the accuser, not the acts of the accused, that matter.

Geez, no wonder truth freaks you out so much.  You need for your accusations to be taken seriously but they are demonstrably false.  You need for your assertions regarding your "work" to be taking seriously but they are demonstrably false.
Confronted by the adversity of facts, Gary retreats into snarling incoherence.  Only the snarling is new, and he's been doing it off and on for years.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2015,18:47   

I do not have to model neural networks like everyone else does for a model of brain to end up way more biologically representative of the way the real thing works than what Wesley believes is unbeatable.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2015,19:37   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 09 2015,19:47)
I do not have to model neural networks like everyone else does for a model of brain to end up way more biologically representative of the way the real thing works than what Wesley believes is unbeatable.

Literally nothing in your code or your "theory" represents or presents anything about how biology works.  You've spent 7+ years proving that to everyone's satisfaction.  That you still try to pretend otherwise strongly suggests that there's nothing about you or behavior that presents or represents 'intelligence', whatever you may mean by the word.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2015,20:06   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 09 2015,18:47)
I do not have to model neural networks like everyone else does for a model of brain to end up way more biologically representative of the way the real thing works than what Wesley believes is unbeatable.

I read this sentence and the word "sophomoric" came to mind.

Gary, you lack even superficial knowledge of "the way the real thing works."

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2015,21:22   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 09 2015,18:47)
I do not have to model neural networks like everyone else does for a model of brain to end up way more biologically representative of the way the real thing works than what Wesley believes is unbeatable.

I wasn't confining Gary to what other people have done. If he has an implementation of a known model, that would be easier to check, but certainly if Gary has a one-off model and can specify what lines in GridCellNetwork.frm the implementation is at, I can assess the biological plausibility of the model from that information.

But I doubt that there is any such information. There wasn't for Trehub neural models, nor for "NEURONS" like Lehman and Stanley used, nor for various other claims Gary has made.

Gary doesn't have to have a neuron model from someone else, but to claim that his code has "neurons" or "NEURONS" of any sort, there has to be *some* neural model. I've looked. I haven't seen any such thing there. I've coded plenty of different artificial neural network models from scratch. But maybe Gary has a different artificial neural model implementation in there that has eluded my notice, in which case he can provide the line numbers to focus my attention at the appropriate point in the code.

Or he can continue to ignore substantive discussion and spew invective.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2015,21:26   

The dimwits are putting on another show where they make believe that they know how this sort of thing works:

See "Reality is distorted in brain's maps"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....508.htm
And "Shearing-induced asymmetry in entorhinal grid cells" by Tor Stensola, Hanne Stensola, May-Britt Moser & Edvard I. Moser, Nature 518, 207–212 (12 February 2015) doi:10.1038/nature14151
http://www.nature.com/nature.....51.html
And "Grid cell symmetry is shaped by environmental geometry" by Julija Krupic, Marius Bauza, Stephen Burton, Caswell Barry & John O’Keefe, Nature 518, 232–235 (12 February 2015) doi:10.1038/nature14153
http://www.nature.com/nature.....53.html

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2015,21:52   

Spew invective it is, with a side order of irrelevant references. Gary just doesn't get that citation doesn't confer any special status on the person making the citation.

Gary continues to play "Let's Pretend!" with neural models.

What lines of code in GridCellNetwork.frm are supposed to be Gary's neural model implementation? Why is Gary not providing those line numbers? He claimed his code has neural models, but there's nothing in there that looks like a neural model to me, and I've been in that field a long, long time.

Line numbers or be exposed as having yet another FALSE claim, Gary.

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2015,22:21   

I only model what has never been modeled before!!!!

If it were already done before then I would not even have a reason to be working on it.

I write computer models of interest to scientists who are trying to answer the most puzzling part of the way the brain works of them all. At the moment I'm working on a better way to show the network wave dynamics, cell to cell signals.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2015,23:12   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 09 2015,23:21)
I only model what has never been modeled before!!!!

If it were already done before then I would not even have a reason to be working on it.

I write computer models of interest to scientists who are trying to answer the most puzzling part of the way the brain works of them all. At the moment I'm working on a better way to show the network wave dynamics, cell to cell signals.

Manifestly not true.  You can't name a single scientist who is interested in your computer "model" -- in any way other than as a joke.  Your risible little virtual Roomba can't even do all the things a genuine Roomba can.  Nor does your model bear any resemblance to the actual functioning of a brain.  Nor do some of the things you insist possess 'intelligence' possess brains.  Nor, for that matter, do many of the biological entities that exhibit aspects, or degrees, of what we in the real world call 'intelligence'.
You're just flailing, having been caught out in your lies.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2015,03:09   

Indeed. Gary's previous PSC VB code was only a port of part of Heiserman's BASIC code for robotics, so certainly the latest claim can be added to the list:


Gary's claim that he only models what has never been modelled before: FALSE, given his re-implementation of Heiserman robots and even his citation of Heiserman.


Gary not only models what has been modeled before, he does so incompletely given his fixed insistence on not using Heiserman Gamma procedures.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2015,06:52   

Gary has stuffed his head so far up his own delusions that dishonesty is his only remaining contact with reality.
It has become habitual, it is his natural responses.
It is only by being dishonest with himself that he can maintain his pretense of 'doing science', his pretense of have a 'theory', his pretense of 'important scientists paying attention to his work', his pretense that the work is important.  To say nothing of his ability to pretend that no one engages with his "theory" on its alleged merits, that no one ever does anything but cast aspersions on him, that only cranks and crackpots post remarks about him and that the remarks may thus be ignored.
And thus he becomes dishonest in all things.
res ipsa loquitur

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2015,07:02   

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Your risible little virtual Roomba can't even do all the things a genuine Roomba can.  
If memory serves, Roombas operate by a modified random walk, while Neatos learn the territory, map it out, and are more systematic.  Gary's bug is more like a Neato, but not as "smart".

Gary mentions place cells in his text, but I don't know if they are in his code.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2015,07:09   

Quote (NoName @ Mar. 10 2015,14:52)
Gary has stuffed his head so far up his own delusions that dishonesty is his only remaining contact with reality.
It has become habitual, it is his natural responses.
It is only by being dishonest with himself that he can maintain his pretense of 'doing science', his pretense of have a 'theory', his pretense of 'important scientists paying attention to his work', his pretense that the work is important.  To say nothing of his ability to pretend that no one engages with his "theory" on its alleged merits, that no one ever does anything but cast aspersions on him, that only cranks and crackpots post remarks about him and that the remarks may thus be ignored.
And thus he becomes dishonest in all things.
res ipsa loquitur

Hmmmm gazing/projecting into his own abyss he only sees crack pottery, paranoia and lies.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2015,07:36   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 10 2015,04:21)
I only model what has never been modeled before!!!!

If it were already done before then I would not even have a reason to be working on it.

I write computer models of interest to scientists who are trying to answer the most puzzling part of the way the brain works of them all. At the moment I'm working on a better way to show the network wave dynamics, cell to cell signals.

Which scientists, Gary?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2015,09:50   

Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 10 2015,15:02)
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Your risible little virtual Roomba can't even do all the things a genuine Roomba can.  
If memory serves, Roombas operate by a modified random walk, while Neatos learn the territory, map it out, and are more systematic.  Gary's bug is more like a Neato, but not as "smart".

Gary mentions place cells in his text, but I don't know if they are in his code.

Gary's place cell? It's the cell where he plays on his computer.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2015,18:03   

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Gary's claim that he only models what has never been modelled before: FALSE, given his re-implementation of Heiserman robots and even his citation of Heiserman.

That was great way of punishing the scientific discipline of giving credit where due to others. According to your standards a research paper is best not to have footnote credits or a Reference section, otherwise you have to use that against them to make it appear that their original work is unoriginal and must not be taken seriously.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2015,18:42   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 11 2015,02:03)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 10 2015,03:09)
Gary's claim that he only models what has never been modelled before: FALSE, given his re-implementation of Heiserman robots and even his citation of Heiserman.

That was great way of punishing the scientific discipline of giving credit where due to others. According to your standards a research paper is best not to have footnote credits or a Reference section, otherwise you have to use that against them to make it appear that their original work is unoriginal and must not be taken seriously.

Gary you're nucking futs.

Mentioning a paper on a blog and FALSELY CLAIMING that you implemented something from that paper IS NOT AN ATTRIBUTION, IT IS A LIE.

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