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Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,14:56   

Quote (jeannot @ Mar. 13 2007,08:40)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 13 2007,11:14)
alrighty we'll get a full bottle. Can't bring myself to do the fois grâs, epicurious as I am.

foie gras.
;)

That was my mistake, Jean, Rich was only copying. (Oh, the shame of it)

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,15:01   

We should just call them "freedom force fed foul livers"

I AM STILL EXPECTING PRAISE FOR DAVETARD'S DILEMMA WHICH IS NOT YET FORTHCOMMING. DON'T MAKE ME BAN ALL Y'ALL HOMOS.

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,15:25   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 13 2007,14:01)
We should just call them "freedom force fed foul livers"

I AM STILL EXPECTING PRAISE FOR DAVETARD'S DILEMMA WHICH IS NOT YET FORTHCOMMING. DON'T MAKE ME BAN ALL Y'ALL HOMOS.

Richard Hughes, you ARE one magnificent bastard!

Sorry you had to prompt me, but I actually had to do some work, and I just caught up.  Plus, I got distracted by Ghost of Paley's nonsense post, and subsequently had to beat up Heddle.  

Heddle is sucha dick to other posters, that I had to go to the Bathroom Wall on him, so please read what I say over there - I value all y'alls input.

I also missed Kristine posting like crazy - and finally wising up about Dembski... congratulations Kristine, you go girl!  I also missed the earlier posts about the lawsuit against Dembski's school.  Bwahahaha!

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,15:39   

Discussions of booze will never impose on my good nature. I could use some knowledge about wines, given that I drink 2 bottles of red a day (don't bother inquiring, it's just cheap table wine).

And in general, I try to only interfere with discussions when they exhibit early warning signs of ugly storms. That new Paley thread is a small cloud and will probably blow over. But I'm watching it for signs in might go cumulonimbus.

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,16:08   

DaveTard blurts:

https://www2.blogger.com/comment....6864891

For the kids calls us "nasty stinkers over on Elsberry's forum!"

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,16:13   

FTKs Tards is up a notch.

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Oh, it's a distraction alright...

Darlin' you're going to have to fess up to something for me. You cannot truly believe that the bloggers and commenters at Uncommon Descent are "just as offensive" as the OUD discussion thread participants.

If you cannot see a difference, then there is definitely something wrong with you and your moral compass as well. They offer nothing of substance at all, and are only interested in being as nasty as they can to people who disagree with their point of view.

Hmmm...maybe that's your problem. You're one of THEM.



I forgive you, FTK. I forgive you bilious hateful words.

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,16:38   

More FTK 'wisdom'.

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aka...Forthekids said...
Hmmm...only one post at AtBC.

[thinking]

Okay, I will cut you some slack just this once, but if I catch you over there in the playpen again, I'm going to seriously lose respect for you and your opinions.

I don't have time for the test questions right now. I'll try to read through them again later this evening. It doesn't really matter though because you're merely stringing out a conversation that will end up focused on micro changes and similiarities between species. The common descent mindset is irrelevant to science.


I think she should be applauded for judging individuals not by their own merits or opinions, but by by the company they keep. Very progressive.

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,16:42   

Uh Oh...
Link

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Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered
When wished on the morning star
Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it
Look what it's done so far

The Daily Wingnut

   
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,16:50   

DS:"Those dernd christians. hard to keep'm corralled bill" Hic** homo**
Danm that was fast

I c&p'ed in the nick of time. It disappeared while I was looking at it.

   
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Doug

03/13/2007


4:13 pm

I want to disprove scientists so bad I can almost taste it. I have researched many a scientific debate and discovered the unholy background to fake science is usually money and an agenda. Darwinism is promoted by corporatism. We need to feel empty enough to become good consumers and poor stewards. We were granted dominion over Earth and we can only justify the rape that is agribusiness and the loss of soul that is consumer credit by shutting down our moral sense. We can only do that by pushing God out of our lives. It is critically important that faith be taught to all our children if we are to have a just and sustainable world.

That said, I expected to find some consumer lobby or atheist labor union behind the verbal attacks on the scientist. Enough digging reveals a different picture though. The oil companies are in fact paying this guy. Link

Issues like this are tricky to unravel because big business is so good at pulling the strings. You never know when you are being lied to. The links from my link all checked out for me. If you find something fishy from one of them (and relevant to whether the guy is a shill for big energy) I’d like to see it. I don’t know enough of the science to have an opinion on the global warming front like I do on the evolution front but it looks like the only scientists out there that deny the science are paid by big energy. Wierd.

SOmewhere in the mess is a liberal conspiracy. If Al Gore the untrustworthy backs global warming, we have to assume foul play somewhere but this guy lost every shred of credibility with the statement:

   In another instance, I was accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being paid by oil companies. That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay you have an agenda. So if Greenpeace, Sierra Club or governments pay there is no agenda and only truth and enlightenment?

Dissecting that statement, he first lies by denying the charge, then justifies himself for doing what he claims not to be doing then brings up an unrelated and, in fact, irrelevant point about greenpeace and the sierra club who do not fund any substantial portion of the prevailing climate science.

What is sad is that science has left a bad taste in our mouths through the intentional destruction of faith in God that once we are exposed to a potentially religion-hostile bit of science we reflexively fight back.

I know next to nothing about this issue scientifically but this source has no credibility whatsoever.

EDIT** I don't have the link from Doug's post above. Sorry.

What's there now:    
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DaveScot

03/13/2007

4:42 pm

Doug’s comment was deleted as it was entirely baseless.
(from the link above)

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Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered
When wished on the morning star
Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it
Look what it's done so far

The Daily Wingnut

   
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,17:53   

BWE - Good save of Dougie's crazed rambling post!

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,17:58   

Ya, I want to post there so bad I can taste it. :)

But somewhere along the line I was invited not to come back. I did try to be polite but apparently I failed.

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Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered
When wished on the morning star
Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it
Look what it's done so far

The Daily Wingnut

   
Faid



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,18:30   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 13 2007,09:40)
Wow Kristine:

the whole http://www.uncommondescent.com/religio....t-80254 thread is a train-wreck.

Oh my goodness, I just read it too... It's unbelievable. That guy WinglesS actually says it's impossible for an atheist to justify altruism!

:O

"Sheesh, why would anyone want to help his fellow man if there wasn't an almighty supernatural entity threatening them with eternal damnation unless they did? It just makes no sense!"

#### those people are scary. And they actually claim to have morals...

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A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty:

"The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information"

"...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

  
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,18:33   

Quote (BWE @ Mar. 13 2007,23:50)
DS:"Those dernd christians. hard to keep'm corralled bill" Hic** homo**
Danm that was fast

I c&p'ed in the nick of time. It disappeared while I was looking at it.

     
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Doug

03/13/2007


4:13 pm

I want to disprove scientists so bad I can almost taste it. I have researched many a scientific debate and discovered the unholy background to fake science is usually money and an agenda. Darwinism is promoted by corporatism.
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What is sad is that science has left a bad taste in our mouths through the intentional destruction of faith in God that once we are exposed to a potentially religion-hostile bit of science we reflexively fight back.

I know next to nothing about this issue scientifically but this source has no credibility whatsoever.

EDIT** I don't have the link from Doug's post above. Sorry.

What's there now:      
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DaveScot

03/13/2007

4:42 pm

Doug’s comment was deleted as it was entirely baseless.
(from the link above)

Wow Doug loads, shoots, aims. No wonder DT cleaned up.

Doug boy shows DT's little bar in Texas (Lucky Pozo's)serves vomit and the customers pour wine on the floor.

HEY HOMO'S DUCK MY GRAS-DT

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,18:59   

Quote (BWE @ Mar. 13 2007,15:50)
I want to disprove scientists so bad I can almost taste it. I have researched many a scientific debate and discovered the unholy background to fake science is usually money and an agenda. Darwinism is promoted by corporatism. We need to feel empty enough to become good consumers and poor stewards. We were granted dominion over Earth and we can only justify the rape that is agribusiness and the loss of soul that is consumer credit by shutting down our moral sense. We can only do that by pushing God out of our lives. It is critically important that faith be taught to all our children if we are to have a just and sustainable world...

You can pull and pull Doug's word-taffy at will without reducing it's intelligibility a whit:

"I want to taste scientists so bad I want to disprove it.  I have debated many a scientific fake and researched a background agenda for unholy money.  Corporatism is promoted by Darwinsm.  We need to feel our stewards enough to become good empty consumers. We justify domination through rape by granting the earth the agribusiness that is Lost, and shut the soul of consumer credit by downing our sense of moral loss. We push that by living out of our only God. It is critically important that sustenance be taught to all our children if we’re to have a just worldly faith."

That's some powerful, protean shit.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,19:02   

Now DT loads, shoots, aims.

DT's latest gaff

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DaveScot 03/13/2007 5:01 pm
Jaz

The global warming dogmatists global warming deniers are largely the same as the chance & necessity evolution dogmatists creationist evolution deniers. I believe that when global warming creationism is discredited and the supporters exposed they will lose credibility everywhere else. It’s a shame that these people have besmirched science by transforming it from honest, objective inquiry into agenda driven, politicized, consensus crap. These cretins posing as scientists are going to set scientific credibility back immeasurably. It’s a perfect example of the moral in the story of the boy who cried wolf.


Need a new bulb for your projector DT?

I'LL WOLF BOYS IF I WANT HOMOS -DT

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,19:30   

It’s a shame that these people have besmirched science by transforming it from honest, objective inquiry into agenda driven, politicized, consensus crap. These cretins posing as scientists are going to set scientific credibility back immeasurably

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,19:47   

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I also missed Kristine posting like crazy - and finally wising up about Dembski... congratulations Kristine, you go girl!  I also missed the earlier posts about the lawsuit against Dembski's school.  Bwahahaha!

Oh I was always wise to cute stuff, J-Dog.

B'lieve me. Lou knows what I really want to do to the guy. ;)

"It places the microfilm in the basket or else it has to shimmy again."

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Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip?

AtBC Poet Laureate

"I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive

"Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,19:55   

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For the kids calls us "nasty stinkers over on Elsberry's forum!"
She who smelt it dealt it. (He who smelt ID dealt ID?)

She probably means me.

I'm not on a diet.  :p

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Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip?

AtBC Poet Laureate

"I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive

"Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,20:05   

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 13 2007,18:47)
B'lieve me. Lou knows what I really want to do to the guy. ;)

I'm all over it.  Janie's tied up right at the moment though (figuratively this time) with some research into human trafficking.

Hopefully she'll get back to The Lilith Quotient over the weekend.

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“Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas?

Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Faylen



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,20:29   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 13 2007,15:38)
More FTK 'wisdom'.

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aka...Forthekids said...
Hmmm...only one post at AtBC.

[thinking]

Okay, I will cut you some slack just this once, but if I catch you over there in the playpen again, I'm going to seriously lose respect for you and your opinions.

I don't have time for the test questions right now. I'll try to read through them again later this evening. It doesn't really matter though because you're merely stringing out a conversation that will end up focused on micro changes and similiarities between species. The common descent mindset is irrelevant to science.


I think she should be applauded for judging individuals not by their own merits or opinions, but by by the company they keep. Very progressive.

You might notice that responses like these are bountiful, while answers for the other dave's question are completely absent.  And a few days before, FTK posts about how busy she is, and how she doesn't want to let comments through moderation because she wants to be able to answer them all.  For someone who wants to answer all her comments, she sure spends a lot of time avoiding answering comments and posting comments that answer nothing.  Is she busily searching UD for answers that contain the right amount of pseudoscience needed to make it sound like she knows what she's talking about?

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,20:53   

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aka...Forthekids said...
Hmmm...only one post at AtBC.

[thinking]

Okay, I will cut you some slack just this once, but if I catch you over there in the playpen again, I'm going to seriously lose respect for you and your opinions.


(Geez, she sounds like some bitchy, overcontrolling mother. Must suck to be one of her kids.)

"Lose respect for you"??

Dude, the minute FTK starts 'having respect' for me, I'll know I've fucked up.

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"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2007,22:43   

Oh, pooh, I can't get my wine label to load...it's homemade (the label, and the wine, and apparently the link). This stuff will give you a migraine.

You'll just have to go here.

To Rev. Dr. Lenny from John.  :)

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Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip?

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"I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive

"Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2007,03:24   

We interrupt this thread for a missing person bulletin.

Missing:      Joel Borofsky
Occupation: Research Assistant (heh) and Public Obsessor of Hoo-Hoos
Last seen:   November 11, 2006

Fifteen minutes of fame:  Am I Really That Important?

If you have seen Joel, please call his mother.

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And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G

Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

  
Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2007,03:31   

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 13 2007,10:57)
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I've listened to and read so much Dembski and I still have no idea who he really is or what the #### he really believes (I just listened to another sermon in which he praises creationism and denies evolution altogether. Yet he says he's not a creationist.)...

If you imagine Dembski as a dishonest, lazy and greedy guy, his actions/statements make sense. Why would he wish to distance himself from any possible source of income?

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2007,03:42   

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 13 2007,11:20)
this man knows precisely what he believes!        
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Dr. Russell D. Moore, Senior VP for Academic Administration,Dean, School of Theology. The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.  Jonah 1:17-3:6; Matthew 12:38-41
"The Incomparable Glory of Fish Vomit: Baptism, the Great Commission and the End of the Age"
Gimmie that old-time *hic* religion!  :D

WTF???  

The Southern Baptists don't mind a man lecturing them on the glory of fish vomit, but God forbid that a woman should try to teach them Hebrew.

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2007,04:36   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 13 2007,09:55)
UD expands in anti-science base:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/science....swindle

when bashing NDE just isn't enough...

Did you watch the whole video? I did and found it made what apears to be some valid points.

I am not a global warming denier, not used my car for well over a year now from environmental concern. OTOH I don't have the expertiese to see what is wrong in any of the points that vid brings up.
???

  
djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2007,04:52   

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 13 2007,14:39)
Discussions of booze will never impose on my good nature. I could use some knowledge about wines, given that I drink 2 bottles of red a day (don't bother inquiring, it's just cheap table wine).

Ummmm, Ripple!

Tuesday was always the best vintage.

  
djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2007,05:01   

Quote (keiths @ Mar. 14 2007,02:24)
We interrupt this thread for a missing person bulletin.

Missing:      Joel Borofsky
Occupation: Research Assistant (heh) and Public Obsessor of Hoo-Hoos
Last seen:   November 11, 2006

Fifteen minutes of fame:  Am I Really That Important?

If you have seen Joel, please call his mother.

Is this your boy?

  
djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2007,05:14   

Attention all Uncommon Dissent members who are reading The Great Global Warming Swindle” thread:

You might want to read this article from the British "Independent" newspaper entitled, "The real global warming swindle".  

 
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"A Channel 4 documentary that claimed global warming is a swindle was itself flawed with major errors which seriously undermine the programme's credibility, according to an investigation by The Independent.

The Great Global Warming Swindle, was based on graphs that were distorted, mislabelled or just plain wrong. The graphs were nevertheless used to attack the credibility and honesty of climate scientists.

A graph central to the programme's thesis, purporting to show variations in global temperatures over the past century, claimed to show that global warming was not linked with industrial emissions of carbon dioxide. Yet the graph was not what it seemed.

Other graphs used out-of-date information or data that was shown some years ago to be wrong. Yet the programme makers claimed the graphs demonstrated that orthodox climate science was a conspiratorial "lie" foisted on the public.

Channel 4 yesterday distanced itself from the programme, referring this newspaper's inquiries to a public relations consultant working on behalf of Wag TV, the production company behind the documentary.

Martin Durkin, who wrote and directed the film, admitted yesterday that one of the graphs contained serious errors but he said they were corrected in time for the second transmission of the programme following inquiries by The Independent.

Mr Durkin has already been criticised by one scientist who took part in the programme over alleged misrepresentation of his views on the climate.

The main arguments made in Mr Durkin's film were that climate change had little if anything to do with man-made carbon dioxide and that global warming can instead be linked directly with solar activity - sun spots.

One of the principal supports for his thesis came in the form of a graph labelled "World Temp - 120 years", which claimed to show rises and falls in average global temperatures between 1880 and 2000.

Mr Durkin's film argued that most global warming over the past century occurred between 1900 and 1940 and that there was a period of cooling between 1940 and 1975 when the post-war economic boom was under way. This showed, he said, that global warming had little to do with industrial emissions of carbon dioxide.

The programme-makers labelled the source of the world temperature data as "Nasa" but when we inquired about where we could find this information, we received an email through Wag TV's PR consultant saying that the graph was drawn from a 1998 diagram published in an obscure journal called Medical Sentinel. The authors of the paper are well-known climate sceptics who were funded by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine and the George C Marshall Institute, a right-wing Washington think-tank.

However, there are no diagrams in the paper that accurately compare with the C4 graph. The nearest comparison is a diagram of "terrestrial northern hemisphere" temperatures - which refers only to data gathered by weather stations in the top one third of the globe.

However, further inquiries revealed that the C4 graph was based on a diagram in another paper produced as part of a "petition project" by the same group of climate sceptics. This diagram was itself based on long out-of-date information on terrestrial temperatures compiled by Nasa scientists.

However, crucially, the axis along the bottom of the graph has been distorted in the C4 version of the graph, which made it look like the information was up-to-date when in fact the data ended in the early 1980s.

Mr Durkin admitted that his graphics team had extended the time axis along the bottom of the graph to the year 2000. "There was a fluff there," he said.

If Mr Durkin had gone directly to the Nasa website he could have got the most up-to-date data. This would have demonstrated that the amount of global warming since 1975, as monitored by terrestrial weather stations around the world, has been greater than that between 1900 and 1940 - although that would have undermined his argument.

"The original Nasa data was very wiggly-lined and we wanted the simplest line we could find," Mr Durkin said.

The programme failed to point out that scientists had now explained the period of "global cooling" between 1940 and 1970. It was caused by industrial emissions of sulphate pollutants, which tend to reflect sunlight. Subsequent clean-air laws have cleared up some of this pollution, revealing the true scale of global warming - a point that the film failed to mention.

Other graphs used in the film contained known errors, notably the graph of sunspot activity. Mr Durkin used data on solar cycle lengths which were first published in 1991 despite a corrected version being available - but again the corrected version would not have supported his argument. Mr Durkin also used a schematic graph of temperatures over the past 1,000 years that was at least 16 years old, which gave the impression that today's temperatures are cooler than during the medieval warm period. If he had used a more recent, and widely available, composite graph it would have shown average temperatures far exceed the past 1,000 years.



Note: None of the above should be taken to indicate that DaveScot jumps to conclusions or inadequately investigates his charges.  We already know he does both.

  
djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2007,05:19   

My prediction for the next topic at UD:

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The programme failed to point out that scientists had now explained the period of "global cooling" between 1940 and 1970. It was caused by industrial emissions of sulphate pollutants, which tend to reflect sunlight. Subsequent clean-air laws have cleared up some of this pollution, revealing the true scale of global warming - a point that the film failed to mention.


"Air pollution laws cause global warming!"

  
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