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k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,10:23    Quote (jeannot @ April 18 2007,17:24) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 18 2007,09:20) Quote (jeannot @ April 18 2007,05:03)   Quote (Henry J @ April 17 2007,17:20) The sequel to the movie "Hot Shots" was called "Hot Shots Part Deaux". Thanks. The French title was different. Out of curiousity, where is the word play here? I don't think there is any. By the way, 'deaux' isn't a word, is it? Deux means two, eaux means waters (plural), deaux means nothing, AFAIK. The joke is it sounds sophisticated when it is just pretentious. The double joke is the word doesn't even exist, so only the most sophisticated would appreciate that subtlety. Here is a short radio program broadcast last week on Australian ABC’s Radio National 'Lingua Franca' Program that discusses the very subject of pretentious use of foreign words in English. Robert Dessaix on Philip Gooden's no-nonsense guide to words and phrases from other languages.(MP3, Real audio and transcript.) Where foreign words have no direct equivalent in English then it is not pretentious to use them.  It's OK to use 'je ne sais qua' or 'zeitgeist' but perhaps not 'au contraire' where we have 'on the contrary'. Moi is definitely pretentious. -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,11:49    Actually; jeannot just adding a  second thought Quote The joke is it sounds sophisticated when it is just pretentious. Its quite deliberatly and self consiously pretentious, very 'tongue in cheek'. The objects of derision in the movie are themselves deliberatly and self consiously pretentious. -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,13:03    From Red State Rabble... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....Ecom%2F -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,13:25    Quote (k.e @ April 18 2007,11:49) Actually; jeannot just adding a  second thought   Quote The joke is it sounds sophisticated when it is just pretentious. Its quite deliberatly and self consiously pretentious, very 'tongue in cheek'. The objects of derision in the movie are themselves deliberatly and self consiously pretentious. k.e. - Yes, thank you - I would say pretentious is what the joke / title is all about. jeannot: Merde!  You should note that I took Spanish, NOT French in school, and I spelled that #### word wrong, my original post should have been pretentiously "Part Deux"!   Sorry about the spelling, and thus the confusion! -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,13:51    Quote (J-Dog @ April 18 2007,13:25) jeannot: Merde!  You should note that I took Spanish, NOT French in school, and I spelled that #### word wrong, my original post should have been pretentiously "Part Deux"!   Sorry about the spelling, and thus the confusion! So the homology with hot shots is a coincidence? I'm lost. (sorry for derailing the thread, btw  :p )

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,13:59    Quote (jeannot @ April 18 2007,13:51) Quote (J-Dog @ April 18 2007,13:25) jeannot: Merde!  You should note that I took Spanish, NOT French in school, and I spelled that #### word wrong, my original post should have been pretentiously "Part Deux"!   Sorry about the spelling, and thus the confusion! So the homology with hot shots is a coincidence? I'm lost. (sorry for derailing the thread, btw  :p ) I think the title uses the French word for 'two' just for humorous effect. I don't think it's anything more profound than that. ('Homology with hot shots'? Am I missing something?) -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,14:29    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 17 2007,23:01)   Quote (Henry J @ April 17 2007,17:20) The sequel to the movie "Hot Shots" was called "Hot Shots Part Deaux". Interestingly, 'Hot Shots Part Deaux' gets 330 Google Hits, while 'Hot Shots Part Deux' gets 50,900. I say 'interesting' cause I don't think 'deaux' is a word... "Deaux!" is what Cajun Homer Simpson says. -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,14:41    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 18 2007,13:59) ('Homology with hot shots'? Am I missing something?) Well, J-Dog said he intended to write "deux" not "deaux". That surprised me because I thought the reference to "hot shots" was intentional. ok I got it. There isn't any "Hot Shots part deaux". It was dubious from the start.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,14:59    To make up for my contribution to the heinous crime of Thread Derailment, allow me to contribute a potential Troll catch at UD. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-117037 Ektasis, in comment #15 says: "Quick, Christians that hold all theological truth in the palm of our hands, how does one explain the Virgin Mary? Must we all go where evidence leads, as distasteful as it is for practically all of us? Wouldn’t this be just like God, requiring us to swallow our pride? " Is it me or is this porn slid through the moderator Bannanator? I think if you use Dembski's Bible Code Machine, and take out the superfluous words and letters, you're left with: "The Virgin Mary in the palm of your hands, and swallowing". Hey Steve - Don't blame me, I'm just the de-coder! Hope I didn't out anybody here! -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Jim_Wynne Posts: 1208 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,15:25    Quote (J-Dog @ April 18 2007,14:59) "The Virgin Mary in the palm of your hands, and swallowing". I wonder if that would have been her first taste of Christianity. -------------- Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,15:35    Quote (Jim_Wynne @ April 18 2007,15:25) Quote (J-Dog @ April 18 2007,14:59) "The Virgin Mary in the palm of your hands, and swallowing". I wonder if that would have been her first taste of Christianity. ba-Dum CHING! Jim -  EXCELLENT!  You must remember to use this power only for good, never evil! -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

phonon Posts: 396 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,16:56    Quote (k.e @ April 18 2007,10:23) Quote (jeannot @ April 18 2007,17:24) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 18 2007,09:20)   Quote (jeannot @ April 18 2007,05:03)     Quote (Henry J @ April 17 2007,17:20) The sequel to the movie "Hot Shots" was called "Hot Shots Part Deaux". Thanks. The French title was different. Out of curiousity, where is the word play here? I don't think there is any. By the way, 'deaux' isn't a word, is it? Deux means two, eaux means waters (plural), deaux means nothing, AFAIK. The joke is it sounds sophisticated when it is just pretentious. The double joke is the word doesn't even exist, so only the most sophisticated would appreciate that subtlety. Here is a short radio program broadcast last week on Australian ABC’s Radio National 'Lingua Franca' Program that discusses the very subject of pretentious use of foreign words in English. Robert Dessaix on Philip Gooden's no-nonsense guide to words and phrases from other languages.(MP3, Real audio and transcript.) Where foreign words have no direct equivalent in English then it is not pretentious to use them.  It's OK to use 'je ne sais qua' or 'zeitgeist' but perhaps not 'au contraire' where we have 'on the contrary'. Moi is definitely pretentious. ####, since we're all correcting each others french and german. je ne sais quoi  = "I don't know what." just like au contraire = "on the contrary" and zeitgeist = "spirit of the times" or blitzkrieg, etc. I don't think it's pretentious to use these phrases at all. -------------- With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg To do just the opposite is also a form of imitation. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,17:10    I wonder how many people who reference it, like mike1962 at UD   Quote A perfect example of how “METHINKS IT’S A WEASEL” would work without the intelligently designed components. says have read the book? gAH, IDiot UD'ers and their comfort blankets. It's in response to a very lame unfunny thebrites post today at UD. Quote Place the watch parts in a special shaker, firmly attach the shaker lid, and shake until assembled. Results may vary I know it's been pointed out 100's of times, but where are all the positive ID posts at UD lately? Ever? It's degenerating into farce, if it was not all along. Somebody's not been paying attention: Quote This is hilarious! I wonder if you can actually order it? yES, V Funny, but you can be assured if it was for sale you'd be looking at an advert for it, as selling crap to rubes is what ID is today. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Steviepinhead Posts: 532 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,17:13    That's right, just stretch out on the couch and get comfortable. Now, can you tell me how you feel when you say that it's not, ahem, pretentious to use these "phrases"...

phonon Posts: 396 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,17:34    Quote (Steviepinhead @ April 18 2007,17:13) That's right, just stretch out on the couch and get comfortable. Now, can you tell me how you feel when you say that it's not, ahem, pretentious to use these "phrases"... swoosh, right over my head ================== http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....omments Uh, yeah. Everyone knows it doesn't work that way. Now, self assembly would make something like this: -------------- With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg To do just the opposite is also a form of imitation. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,17:57    Quote (jeannot @ April 18 2007,09:24) deaux means nothing, AFAIK. It's what the French Homer Simpson says. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,18:00    Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ April 18 2007,14:29) "Deaux!" is what Cajun Homer Simpson says. Doh !!!!   See, that's what I get for not reading ahead. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,18:02    Quote (Jim_Wynne @ April 18 2007,15:25) Quote (J-Dog @ April 18 2007,14:59) "The Virgin Mary in the palm of your hands, and swallowing". I wonder if that would have been her first taste of Christianity. On your knees and repent, you sinner. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2007,23:27    Phonon Quote I don't think it's pretentious to use these phrases at all. *Moi* didn't say it was ! -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2007,06:49    WAD takes on the big guns of materialist evolutionary biology:       Quote Mitochondrial ribosomes — Define “match” William Dembski Nick Matzke at PT describes a poster waved in protest at the recent Darwin vs. Design conference at Southern Methodist University. The poster read “Why do the ribosomes (protein synthesizing machinery) in our mitochondria match those of bacteria?” ... ...In any case, to say that bacterial (prokaryotic) ribosomes “match” mitoribosomes seems false on any reasonable construal of the term. He puts the smack-dab on undergraduates with 14-word placards. SCIENCE! -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2007,07:02    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 18 2007,17:57) Quote (jeannot @ April 18 2007,09:24) deaux means nothing, AFAIK. It's what the French Homer Simpson says. It's more like "T'oh!!"

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2007,07:27    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 19 2007,06:49) William Dembski Nick Matzke at PT describes a poster waved in protest at the recent Darwin vs. Design conference at Southern Methodist University. The poster read “Why do the ribosomes (protein synthesizing machinery) in our mitochondria match those of bacteria?” ... ...In any case, to say that bacterial (prokaryotic) ribosomes “match” mitoribosomes seems false on any reasonable construal of the term.[/quote] He puts the smack-dab on undergraduates with 14-word placards. SCIENCE! Looks like he was afraid to debate them . . . . -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2007,07:40    The itch which never soothes. Bill if you keep rubbing, it will fall off. Quote Since I’m happy for the sake of argument to allow common descent, CASE CLOSED ID YEC WANKERS GO HOME AND HAVE A COLD SHOWER GET OUT A PRE-CANCEROUS CHEROOT AND SOME NON ALCOHOLIC GRAPE JUICE PUT YOUR FEET UP AND BRING OUT THE  View-Master AND RE-LIVE THE GOOD OLD DAYS. GAS IS STILL $3.00 A GALLON OUTSIDE THE MOAT. Quote the more interesting question for me is what causal powers were required to produce ribosomes in the first place. OH LETS SEE HERE NOW .....AN ANCIENT MIND CONSTRUCTED BY A MODERN ONE THAT PRECONCIEVED THE RESULT OF AN ALGORITHM WHICH DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE END RESULT WOULD BE EXCEPT THAT FAILURE FAILED AND SUCESS SUCEEDED. THE ADVERBS WERE EATEN BY THE ADJECTIVES AND THEN A HEMEROID WIPED THEM ALL OUT, TWICE. Quote But the poster, even taken on its own terms, is problematic. Eukaryotic, prokaryotic, and mitochondrial ribosomes are all quite different (see here), and it’s not clear whether mitoribosomes, as they’re called, are closer to prokaryotic than to eukaryotic ribosomes by any reasonable metric. RESONABLE METRIC? OK .....WHAT ARE THE UNITS? MILLI-BAALS? Quote In any case, to say that bacterial (prokaryotic) ribosomes “match” mitoribosomes seems false on any reasonable construal of the term. BILL, BILL, BILL..... WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN IN A LAB OR A TAILORS? IN ANY CASE THE WHITE COAT DOESN'T FIT. -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2007,08:03    Honestly, how stupid are IDer's? Ok, "very" but still   Quote Each of them could be the cause of interesting hypotheses and of precious inquiry.But if we pretend that we already know the answer (let’s say that everything must be explainable in terms of RM + NS), then the access to truth is denied. {snip} all research is ID research, in the sense that any research gives us facts, and as ID is true, facts are always ID friendly. But, obviously, somebody must have the honesty to look at facts for what they are, and proceed from them toward further knowledge. gpuccio So, IDiot, let's here your "interesting hypotheses" for how the designer created ribosomes? <silence> EDIT: I think Jerry has stopped taking his medication. Quote I am certainly not a micro-biologist but are there other proteins or RNA that are also in common. If there are not then could you use that as proof that there isn’t common descent. Either way there will be some of each so what does each imply. huh? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

guthrie Posts: 696 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2007,08:21    Newsflash! Steve Fuller has a new book out soon.   on amazon The synopsis is interesting reading: Quote Synopsis If you think Intelligent Design Theory (IDT) is merely the respectable face of Christian fundamentalism, and Evolution the only sensible scientific world-view, think again...IDT has driven science for 500 years. It was responsible for the 17th century's Scientific Revolution and helped build modern histories of physics, mathematics, genetics and social science. IDT's proponents take literally the Biblical idea that humans have been created in God's image. This confident, even arrogant, view of humanity enabled the West to triumph in the modern era. Evolution, on the other hand, derives from more ancient, even pagan, ideas about our rootedness in nature and the transience of all life forms. It has been always more popular outside the West, and until Darwin few evolutionists were scientists. What happened to reverse these two movements' fortunes? Steve Fuller's brilliant revisionist history is essential reading for anyone who wants a deeper understanding of science's most vociferous debate. Now, apart from demonstrating that Fuller has no clue about science and how it is and has been practised, it shows that at least he agrees with Judge Jones on one issue- that ID is Creationism, with a religious presupposition.

k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2007,09:50    Quote (guthrie @ April 19 2007,16:21) Newsflash! Steve Fuller has a new book out soon.   on amazon The synopsis is interesting reading: Quote Synopsis If you think Intelligent Design Theory (IDT) is merely the respectable face of Christian fundamentalism, and Evolution the only sensible scientific world-view, think again...IDT has driven science for 500 years. It was responsible for the 17th century's Scientific Revolution and helped build modern histories of physics, mathematics, genetics and social science. IDT's proponents take literally the Biblical idea that humans have been created in God's image. This confident, even arrogant, view of humanity enabled the West to triumph in the modern era. Evolution, on the other hand, derives from more ancient, even pagan, ideas about our rootedness in nature and the transience of all life forms. It has been always more popular outside the West, and until Darwin few evolutionists were scientists. What happened to reverse these two movements' fortunes? Steve Fuller's brilliant revisionist history is essential reading for anyone who wants a deeper understanding of science's most vociferous debate. Now, apart from demonstrating that Fuller has no clue about science and how it is and has been practised, it shows that at least he agrees with Judge Jones on one issue- that ID is Creationism, with a religious presupposition. I've had the 'pleasure' of listening to an interview with Fuller going on about his 'epistemology' at a great rate of knots. All with a hyper Disneyfied cheeryness overlaid with the taut smile of plastic surgeon's experiment on a goat off its chain. Hide the plastic toys, take the washing in and say goodbuy to the flower beds. The guy ...how can I put this...well, he's not afraid of talking about nothing of consequence........at great length. -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2007,10:09    Willy Dimski is leading a new charade at UD, it's called let's see who is the biggest dumb ass and there are several folks (including the Fart Man Himself) who are determined to win the prize for being the dumbest poster. I'm going to read a few more posts in the thread before making any wagers, there is some serious tardacity going on at the moment with no one in a clear lead as of yet. * I take that back, my money is on Joseph.  Clearly he's the dumbest so far, and he elegantly demonstrates how when one "practices" ID (uses the "logic" built in the theory), science grinds to a halt. -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

Jim_Wynne Posts: 1208 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2007,10:32    Quote (Mr_Christopher @ April 19 2007,10:09) * I take that back, my money is on Joseph.  Clearly he's the dumbest so far, and he elegantly demonstrates how when one "practices" ID (uses the "logic" built in the theory), science grinds to a halt. I don't think there's much doubt that Joe is the most stupidest of the stupid. Witness: Quote Q: “Why do we have wisdom teeth if they do not fit our jaws?” A: ...What we see now is after many gnerations of genetic accidents caused by pollutants. It reminds me of a writer, whose name I don't recall, talking about the difference between truth and fiction: Fiction has to make sense. -------------- Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2007,10:55    Jerry explains how to deal with objections: Quote One of the things ID proponents should be trained to do when making presentations is to answer all the common objections as part of their presentation. It would undermine all the hecklers or sign waivers and marginalize their comments. Which approach do you suppose he's recommending: 1.  ID makes the following testable predictions... and can be falsified by... 2.  Evilushionists are a bunch of atheist Nazi church-burning Ebola boys.  They eat babies too. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2007,10:57    Quote Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't. - Following the Equator, Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar That's a clue. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

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