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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,12:05   

Quote (dmso74 @ Jan. 13 2009,17:45)
laff riot of the week, courtesy of StephenB

 
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This is not something that can be summoned at will. We will have to wait until fate provides us with another genius–a genius capable of standing of Behe’s and Dembski’s shoulders, building on their contributions,and maybe even correcting an error or two.

Ok, that's it. The universe has offically jumped the shark.

The cosmos is a gigantic Poe and I'm off to drink heavily until the memory of that comment is blurred by the booze.

Louis

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Venus Mousetrap



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,12:16   

Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 13 2009,10:21)
Dave gets "testy" with Fuller... where 'testy" = Fuller you are a blathering idiot, stop Or I will have to ban you, oh, if only I could...

ID & Teh "Science Of God"

My god he's fantastic isn't he? I read some of Fuller's book about... er... Darwin? a while ago, and I couldn't even work out which side he was arguing for. The English language just seems to slide around his words. In fact, from reading this it seems like he's on our side. Which one of you is Fuller?

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Imagine a Darwinist’s knee-jerk dismissal of Behe’s concept: ‘Just because, say, a cell looks like it’s been purpose-built doesn’t mean that you can compare its parts to those of a mousetrap. That’s to take a superficial similarity and read into it way too much meaning. The cell’s apparent design could have been just as easily brought about by a combination of contingencies spread over a long stretch of time. Keep off the mechanistic metaphors, if you really want to understand how life works’.


Er, thanks, Fuller, except that most people who rebut the mousetrap tend to say exactly WHY the two examples are dissimilar (flexibility of the genome, fact that mousetraps don't have babies, etc.), so it's hardly knee-jerk, is it?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,12:19   

Quote (Louis @ Jan. 13 2009,12:05)
Quote (dmso74 @ Jan. 13 2009,17:45)
laff riot of the week, courtesy of StephenB

 
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This is not something that can be summoned at will. We will have to wait until fate provides us with another genius–a genius capable of standing of Behe’s and Dembski’s shoulders, building on their contributions,and maybe even correcting an error or two.

Ok, that's it. The universe has offically jumped the shark.

The cosmos is a gigantic Poe and I'm off to drink heavily until the memory of that comment is blurred by the booze.

Louis

SHHH!  And calm down!  Stephen B is a puppet writ large, not a Poe!

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Maya



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,13:49   

Quote (dmso74 @ Jan. 13 2009,11:45)
laff riot of the week, courtesy of StephenB

 
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This is not something that can be summoned at will. We will have to wait until fate provides us with another genius–a genius capable of standing of Behe’s and Dembski’s shoulders, building on their contributions,and maybe even correcting an error or two.

I'd stand on their shoulders, but it still wouldn't give me enough height to see out of the pit of active ignorance they've dug for themselves.  Plus, they'd probably try to look up my skirt.  Those fundamentalists have some freaky kinks.

ETA:  Um . . . so I've heard.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,14:49   

Maybe wear pants instead of a skirt on that day? ;)

  
Maya



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,15:41   

Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 13 2009,14:49)
Maybe wear pants instead of a skirt on that day? ;)

Well, given an opportunity like that, I wear boots at least as dirty as these:



and I wouldn't want to get my jeans dirty.

Edited because I found better boots.

  
Maya



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,15:42   

And, yes, I was silly enough to enter "dirty boots" in Google image search to find that picture.  I need to scrub my eyeballs now.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,15:58   

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Umm, Dave, on September 21-22, 2007 a conference was held at the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary called Intelligent Design in Business Practice, featuring (among others) Dr. Dr. William Dembski. Nice try, though.


I wonder how that went?  

Yeah, well, I'm sure these intelligent-duhseigner MBA experts still sent out for pizza like the rest of us!  :p

P.S. I hate to ruin their pizzaburger party, but "intelligent design" in terms of business (and uh, graphic design) has been around for a long time. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Dembski et al ripped off the phrase, from people who are business people and who are making oodles of $$ and not interested in Dembski and his and-God-and-stir schtick.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,16:31   

I'm pretty sure that if you stood on Behe's shoulders you'd have your head up Dembski's butt, which wouldn't be all bad because you'd be able to have a face-to-face conversation with Dr. Dr.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,16:48   

You know, with post number 3, I get the impression that Fuller is trying desperately to reach out to the ID'ists and get them to see that his way is the one true way to advance their cause.  "Poor ID'ers" thinks Fuller, "If only they saw how they needed to mix science and religion through theodicy, then they could really make some advances and stop being stuck in the mud, and modern science would face some real alternatives."

Shame the Creationists got there first.  And the ID'ers are too dishonest to do science.  In fact its a shame the universe is just not right for it, and Fullers attempts to bring ID into the 21st century will be forgotten.*




*Except by connoiseurs of fertiliser  


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Well done Steve!!!
I signed up just to compliment this piece!

Also, irony defined: Davescot making Davescot-bannable comments LOL!

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,17:28   

Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 13 2009,18:19)
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 13 2009,12:05)
Quote (dmso74 @ Jan. 13 2009,17:45)
laff riot of the week, courtesy of StephenB

   
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This is not something that can be summoned at will. We will have to wait until fate provides us with another genius–a genius capable of standing of Behe’s and Dembski’s shoulders, building on their contributions,and maybe even correcting an error or two.

Ok, that's it. The universe has offically jumped the shark.

The cosmos is a gigantic Poe and I'm off to drink heavily until the memory of that comment is blurred by the booze.

Louis

SHHH!  And calm down!  Stephen B is a puppet writ large, not a Poe!

Phew.

Louis

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,19:02   

Quote (Maya @ Jan. 13 2009,16:41)
Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 13 2009,14:49)
Maybe wear pants instead of a skirt on that day? ;)

Well, given an opportunity like that, I wear boots at least as dirty as these:



and I wouldn't want to get my jeans dirty.

Edited because I found better boots.

That image search was much more interesting once I realized that Google was filtering my results and I told it to stop.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,03:04   

Dembski is Illuminated:

 
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I’m finishing a book on theodicy (titled THE END OF CHRISTIANITY) and, in trying to track down for it whether certain celebrities are atheists, found this site:

www.celebatheists.com


Some of the atheists:
Douglas Adams, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Woody Allen, Lance Armstrong, Darren Aronofsky, Isaac Asimov, Dave Barry, Ingmar Bergman, Lewis Black, Richard Branson, Berkeley Breathed, Warren Buffett, George Carlin, John Carmack, Adam Carolla, John Carpenter, Asia Carrera, Fidel Castro, Dick Cavett, Noam Chomsky, Billy Connolly, Francis Crick, David Cronenberg, David Cross, Alan Cumming, Rodney Dangerfield, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, David Deutsch, Ani DiFranco, Micky Dolenz, Harlan Ellison, Brian Eno, Richard Feynman, Harvey Fierstein, Larry Flynt, Dave Foley, Jodie Foster, Janeane Garofalo, Bill Gates, Bob Geldof, Ricky Gervais, Ira Glass, James Gleick, Robert Heinlein, Nat Hentoff, Katharine Hepburn, Christopher Hitchens, Jamie Hyneman, Eddie Izzard, Penn Jillette, Billy Joel, Angelina Jolie, Wendy Kaminer, Diane Keaton, Ken Keeler, Neil Kinnock, Michael Kinsley, Richard Leakey, Bruce Lee, Tom Lehrer, Tom Leykis, James Lipton, H.P. Lovecraft, John Malkovich, Barry Manilow, Todd McFarlane, Sir Ian McKellen, Arthur Miller, Frank Miller, Marvin Minsky, Julianne Moore, Desmond Morris, Randy Newman, Mike Nichols, Jack Nicholson, Gary Numan, Bob Odenkirk, Patton Oswalt, Camille Paglia, Steven Pinker, Paula Poundstone, Terry Pratchett, James Randi, Ron Reagan Jr., Keanu Reeves, Rick Reynolds, Gene Roddenberry, Joe Rogan, Henry Rollins, Andy Rooney, Salman Rushdie, Bob Simon, Steven Soderbergh, Annika Sorenstam, George Soros, Richard Stallman, Bruce Sterling, Howard Stern, J. Michael Straczynski, Julia Sweeney, Matthew Sweet, Teller, Studs Terkel, Tom Tomorrow, Linus Torvalds, Eddie Vedder, Paul Verhoeven, Gore Vidal, Kurt Vonnegut Jr., Sarah Vowell, James Watson, Steven Weinberg, Joss Whedon, Ted Williams, Steve Wozniak and there's a button that shows many more. (Including some unfortunate atheists, like Stalin.)

Reading this list, I find that their main distinguishing characteristic is that they're all a lot smarter than Dr. Dembski, they know more than Dr. Dembski and they've done a hell of a lot more to make the world a better place than Dr. Dembski or anybody in the ID movement will ever do.

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,03:14   

Maya  
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Plus, they'd probably try to look up my skirt.
Well, just about anybody with a male chromosome would.  Human nature, you know.  Except Dembski.  He'd turn blue in the face not looking, then claim discrimination because you tempted him by wearing a skirt.

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,03:58   

I've been re-reading Steve Fuller's ID and the Science of God posts and I finally understand why ID failed so spectacularly at Dover.  If this bonehead is the best ID can do for an expert witness, the movement is truly doomed.

In the first entry in this sorry series, we see Fuller recommending The Best of All Possible Worlds by Steven Nadler.  Well, it just happens that I have that book - it's currently in the new books section at Borders - and I've read it.

Dr. Fuller, you seem to have a little reading comprehension problem.  Read that book again and see if you can't detect its main message: Not even an intellect like Gottfried von Leibniz could overcome Theodicy.  The best he could come up with was to claim that this is the best of all possible worlds - without having any explanation for why it's the best and why it couldn't be better, even if made and operated by an all-knowing, all-powerful God.

Look at your own words:    
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The problem with such clarity, of course, is that the more we think we know the divine modus operandi, the more God’s allowance of suffering and evil looks deliberate, which seems to put divine action at odds with our moral scruples.

Bingo professor Fuller!  Even the densest IDiot (sorry Gil) dimly realises this and tries to steer clear of the topic - except for the uber-dense Dr. Dr. Dembski himself, who is apparently writing a book on Theodicy, which he has hopefully entitled The End of Christianity.  You go, guy!

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,04:22   

I just put MIRO video software on my new webbook and, just for the hell of it, I typed "Expelled" into the search function and up it popped.  I took a quick look before deleting it and yep, it's the same horror I saw in the theaters last summer.  Yuck!

But the good news is that the same search brought up at least 16 Expelled Debunked episodes and a few other debunks, so the word is getting out.

Now for the pron...

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,05:38   

Oh my ...

I may not be around for a few weeks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,05:45   

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Oh my ...

I may not be around for a few weeks.

To a computer illiterate like myself what is a web book and what is Milo and how can I get them? Because any pron on them that is sufficiently distracting to take ~1hr and 15 minutes to peruse has to be worth seeing!*

Louis

* This comment was brought to you by the Tongue in Cheek Foundation of North Basingstoke.

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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,06:00   

Hey, this is kinda off topic, but until you've seen Denyse in Projectile Vomiting II ...

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,06:18   

I've never seen a crowd shout, "Put it on!" before.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,07:58   

Joseph:  
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The state-of-the-art open-source evolution simulation program, Stylus, may help us determine the extent front loading can go.

Well, go on then Joseph. Determine the extent that front loading "can go" with stylus.

I'm waiting.

I'll be sure to pop over a little later with a new sock and ask you. So start to prepare your answer now please.

Davescot brings the funny too
 
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By the way, oxygen level triggering a major front loaded evolutionary step was something I predicted based on front loaded ID a few years ago. It’s in the archives here somewhere.

Yes, who would have guessed that changes in the composition of the atmosphere would feed back into the evolution of lifeforms existing at the time.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,08:49   

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Joseph:    
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The state-of-the-art open-source evolution simulation program, Stylus, may help us determine the extent front loading can go.

Well, go on then Joseph. Determine the extent that front loading "can go" with stylus.

I'm waiting.

I'll be sure to pop over a little later with a new sock and ask you. So start to prepare your answer now please.

Davescot brings the funny too
   
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By the way, oxygen level triggering a major front loaded evolutionary step was something I predicted based on front loaded ID a few years ago. It’s in the archives here somewhere.

Yes, who would have guessed that changes in the composition of the atmosphere would feed back into the evolution of lifeforms existing at the time.

Bonus Points available for every use of the words "Pants-loaded" by the puppet!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,09:29   

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Bonus Points available for every use of the words "Pants-loaded" by the puppet!

I'll see what I can do :)

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,10:11   

Dr. Time makes an entrance:
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As part of schizophrenia`s dilusional and reality,I can`t tell what is real and real thoughts in my world.The way this cite is set up all questions are posted on side bar on all pages.I am a slow reader and have a bad back to sit very long at a screen.I don`t know anyone personally on these sites for sure,atleast talked to them face to face that I know of.Just trying to find out if any one under stands.No,no one in particular.Don`t know what sites they might suit if any.Felt editorial was doing this.Apologies.Suggestions if I am still welcome to site and if not ask editoritorial to ask me to leave.I have no problem with that either.

And is made welcome by Clive:
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No one is asking you to leave Dr. Time. Comment as you would like.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,12:45   

Joseph is a tard under the hood as well.
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I once put platinum spark plugs in my Grand National because I figured they would allow it to run better. Wrong! The spark reached its destination too soon throwing off the timing!


As a physicist and backyard mechanic, I know that there is no way that the few millimeters of platinum at the tip of the spark plug could possibly speed up the spark.  This guy is a complete moron.  There may be other reasons why the spark plugs didn't work, but the platinum was not it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,12:50   

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Well, go on then Joseph. Determine the extent that front loading "can go" with stylus.

I'm waiting.

I'll be sure to pop over a little later with a new sock and ask you. So start to prepare your answer now please.


Hm, I always thought Joseph was a sock too- no one could say such dumb things seriously, right? will UD soon be nothing but arguments between socks?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,12:57   

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Joseph is a tard under the hood as well.  
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I once put platinum spark plugs in my Grand National because I figured they would allow it to run better. Wrong! The spark reached its destination too soon throwing off the timing!


As a physicist and backyard mechanic, I know that there is no way that the few millimeters of platinum at the tip of the spark plug could possibly speed up the spark.  This guy is a complete moron.  There may be other reasons why the spark plugs didn't work, but the platinum was not it.

Zapped by the god of the gaps.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,12:57   

Patrick:
 
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Darwinists will also cite the anterior and recurrent laryngeal nerves of the giraffe as an example of “poor design” since it loops ~15 feet around the neck and back from the brain to the larynx, presumably resulting in ~13 feet of “waste” (although I should note that there’s potentially other functional reasons for this design I’m not aware of). Well, sure, that does not seem to make sense if it’s body plan was statically defined like blueprints for a house. But it makes perfect sense if it’s partially defined algorithmically.

And they accuse evolution of "adapting to whatever evidence is found".....

It also makes "perfect sense" if it was not designed at all Patrick.

So come on Patrick, rack your brain for a use for the 13 feet of "wasted" nerve...

Check the literature. I'll be waiting...

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,13:13   

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As a physicist and backyard mechanic, I know that there is no way that the few millimeters of platinum at the tip of the spark plug could possibly speed up the spark.  This guy is a complete moron.  There may be other reasons why the spark plugs didn't work, but the platinum was not it.[/quote]

Zapped by the god of the gaps.

Beautiful Comment!

Do we have a "Comment Of The Week" Award?

(Jeez - I can't believe I just GAVE away my recommendation...Gov Blago is going to be SOOO disappointed) :(

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,14:01   

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But it makes perfect sense if it’s partially defined algorithmically.


Does open new Vistas on the identity of teh Designer.

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