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J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2009,15:47    Quote (Rrr @ Jan. 18 2009,15:15) I once overheard two of the most powerful politicians in Stockholm (apologies for the oblique MC reference) while one asked the other: "Remind me, whose wife was it that must always be above suspicion?" and got the swift reply: "Lot's, I think?" Just to add insult to injury, I happen to frequent Alvik T-station. Don't forget to tip the waitress while I get my coat -- is that on the kosher line? Calpurnia = Mrs. Julius Ceaser= Must be above suspician REAL Answers Web Site (NOT ANSWERS IN GENESIS) -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2009,16:00    Watch out world!  My sources tell me that this sweater was recently sold... The buyer at this time is unknown. But I think we can make a reasonable inference... -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Rrr Posts: 146 Joined: Nov. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2009,16:21    Oh I knew it was Caesar's wife, only I didn't know her first name. Bet you weren't in Rome nor Gomorrah, anyway, either! Or Alvik for that matter.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2009,17:14    Quote I am intrigued by the caution, if not squeamishness, that ID supporters – especially Christian ones – express towards the pursuit of theodicy. http://www.uncommondescent.com/philoso....part-iv The Ill-at-ease and Theodicy. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2009,17:48    Quote 39 tribune7 01/18/2009 8:38 am Please, please, please say you didn’t bring up theodicy at the Dover trial. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2009,17:56    That was Scott Minnich who brought up theodicy at Dover. Search on "the odyssey" in the transcript. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2009,18:09    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 18 2009,18:48) Quote 39 tribune7 01/18/2009 8:38 am Please, please, please say you didn’t bring up theodicy at the Dover trial. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. occasionally the UDers get a faint glimpse of how incompetent their side is.

csadams Posts: 124 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2009,18:15    Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 18 2009,17:14) Quote I am intrigued by the caution, if not squeamishness, that ID supporters – especially Christian ones – express towards the pursuit of theodicy. http://www.uncommondescent.com/philoso....part-iv The Ill-at-ease and Theodicy. Ugh.  Just . . . ugh. <doffs cap> -------------- Stand Up For REAL Science!

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2009,19:31    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 18 2009,18:48) Quote 39 tribune7 01/18/2009 8:38 am Please, please, please say you didn’t bring up theodicy at the Dover trial. The underlying comment of course being, "I hope you didn't give away the secret plan..." -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

dmso74 Posts: 110 Joined: Aug. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2009,21:42    DaveScot brings the stupid: Quote Lamarck has been quite well vindicated in bacteria. I am hesistant to deny a capability of bacteria to eukaryotes since the latter ostensibly descended from the former. Epigenetics, like gene induction through methylization, is Lamarkian and is utilized by higher animals. Use and disuse is certainly operative. Vestigial organs are a prime example of disuse as are eyes in blind cave fish. Darwin’s Finches are another prime example. When they use bigger beaks to crack harder seeds during sustained droughts the offspring have larger beaks and when the drought goes away the beaks return to the smaller size. Are there evolutionary biologists who deny these things?

dmso74 Posts: 110 Joined: Aug. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2009,21:55    In the above post, the bit on Darwin's finches has finally convinced me that DaveScot understands absolutely nothing about evolution. I guess I'm still amazed that people who are so ignorant of a theory can be so convinced that it is wrong.

tsig Posts: 339 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2009,22:50    Quote (Louis @ Jan. 16 2009,05:55) Hmmm, for some reason the copying and pasting I did above with the full rules of MC and the full research output of ID seems to have gone wrong. I'll get onto our technical department and get back to you. Sorry for any inconvenience, but they will both be published any day now, I assure you. Louis read mod warning deleted

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2009,22:57    Rules of tard: Tard doesn't know that it's tard. -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

noncarborundum Posts: 320 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,08:06    Quote (Rrr @ Jan. 18 2009,16:21) Oh I knew it was Caesar's wife, only I didn't know her first name. Bet you weren't in Rome nor Gomorrah, anyway, either! Or Alvik for that matter. As I understand it (which is more or less "through a glass, darkly"), Roman women usually didn't have first names per se.  They were just called by the feminine form of their family name.  A female born of the Julius clan (the one Gaius Julius Caesar belonged to) would be named Julia, to the Tullius clan (Cicero's) Tullia, and so on.  If there were several girls born to the same family they might be numbered (Julia Tertia, Tullia Quinta, etc.). Caesar's wife was, as you will no doubt have surmised, of the Calpurnius clan.  Her father was Lucius Calpurnius Piso. -------------- "The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,08:26    Quote (noncarborundum @ Jan. 19 2009,08:06)  Her father was Lucius Calpurnius Piso. And I think I recall that he specialized in building towers... -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,08:57    Fuller's posts bring out quality stuff to the surface!  allanius writes: Quote Having said that, modern science is providing an induction of providence of its own accord. The blood clotting cascade is not only good but “very good.” The manufacturing capability of the cell is “very good” to the point of being astonishing. Light and gravity are both “very good” and in fact beyond human understanding. Hearing and sight are engineering marvels. Light and gravity beyond human understanding?  What century is this guy living in? -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

noncarborundum Posts: 320 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,09:47    Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 19 2009,08:26)   Quote (noncarborundum @ Jan. 19 2009,08:06)  Her father was Lucius Calpurnius Piso. And I think I recall that he specialized in building towers... Your confusion is understandable, but you've fallen prey to what what we in the linguistics trade call "false friends".  In fact there's no relation whatsoever between "Piso" and "Pisa"; among other points, classical Latin intervocalic "s" was not voiced. No, in fact old Lucius was in an entirely different line of business. I believe his friends used to refer to him as "Lou the Plumber". -------------- "The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,11:13    Quote (csadams @ Jan. 18 2009,18:15) Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 18 2009,17:14) Quote I am intrigued by the caution, if not squeamishness, that ID supporters – especially Christian ones – express towards the pursuit of theodicy. http://www.uncommondescent.com/philoso....part-iv The Ill-at-ease and Theodicy. Ugh.  Just . . . ugh. <doffs cap> It has come to my attention that I misspelled Theidiocy. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,12:18    Quote (khan @ Jan. 18 2009,22:57) Rules of tard: Tard doesn't know that it's tard. Unless it's Kevin Miller Tard! -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,17:38    Quote Davem: Gradualism always fails for me with the supposed evolution of the bat from a rodent like mammal. Why would webbed digits convey an advantage to a rodent, and why would that particular deformity repeat itself time and again resulting in larger webs and longer digits? ... Have you ever noticed that no one has attempted to depict a half bat-half rat creature hanging on a tree trunk? Simmons, et al: "Flight first." The shape of the wings suggests that an undulating gliding–fluttering flight style may be primitive for bats... Limb proportions and retention of claws on all digits indicate that the new bat may have been an agile climber that employed quadrupedal locomotion and under-branch hanging behaviour. Nancy B. Simmons Chair, Division of Vertebrate Zoology -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Lowell Posts: 101 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,17:58    Looks like DaveScot has gone back to his old standby: AGW denial. And as a bonus, another DS prediction realized:      Quote In other news, what I said before is coming to pass. I wrote that when global cooling takes hold we’ll be left with only a fervent wish that more CO2 could warm it back up. Well, a newspaper editor in Flint Michigan has started praying for global warming. A newspaper editor? Oh, well that settles the matter. I thought Dembski put his foot down about non-ID posts, didn't he? You'd almost think DaveScot doesn't listen to him. -------------- The resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most well documented events of antiquity. Barry Arrington, Jan 17, 2012.

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,18:45    Quote (Lowell @ Jan. 19 2009,17:58) Looks like DaveScot has gone back to his old standby: AGW denial. And as a bonus, another DS prediction realized:      Quote In other news, what I said before is coming to pass. I wrote that when global cooling takes hold we’ll be left with only a fervent wish that more CO2 could warm it back up. Well, a newspaper editor in Flint Michigan has started praying for global warming. A newspaper editor? Oh, well that settles the matter. I thought Dembski put his foot down about non-ID posts, didn't he? You'd almost think DaveScot doesn't listen to him. Of course he doesn't listen to Dembski DaveScot is the most feared Darwin Skeptic on the web! Quote This is from the blog Uncommon Descent. For those that don't know, DaveScot is the most feared Darwin skeptic on the net as he has routinely used his superior scientific knowledge to put Darwinists in their place. So of course he's not going to listen to some pantywaist like Dembski - who wasn't even in the Marines! -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,19:24    Quote (afarensis @ Jan. 19 2009,18:45) This is from the blog Uncommon Descent. For those that don't know, DaveScot is the most feared Darwin skeptic on the net as he has routinely used his superior scientific knowledge to put Darwinists in their place. Wow - I thought that comment was made with sarcasm until I followed the link. The lackwit actually means it. -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

rhmc Posts: 340 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,19:26    Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 19 2009,18:38) Quote Davem: Gradualism always fails for me with the supposed evolution of the bat from a rodent like mammal. Why would webbed digits convey an advantage to a rodent, and why would that particular deformity repeat itself time and again resulting in larger webs and longer digits? ... Have you ever noticed that no one has attempted to depict a half bat-half rat creature hanging on a tree trunk? Simmons, et al: "Flight first." The shape of the wings suggests that an undulating gliding–fluttering flight style may be primitive for bats... Limb proportions and retention of claws on all digits indicate that the new bat may have been an agile climber that employed quadrupedal locomotion and under-branch hanging behaviour. Nancy B. Simmons Chair, Division of Vertebrate Zoology dave ought to drop by my house and observe the multiple colonies of flying squirrels we have here. we have bats, too. kind of amusing to watch them both work out late in the evening. examining them up close is instructive as well. too bad the designer had to invent flying rodents twice.

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,20:29    Quote (Ptaylor @ Jan. 19 2009,19:24)   Quote (afarensis @ Jan. 19 2009,18:45) This is from the blog Uncommon Descent. For those that don't know, DaveScot is the most feared Darwin skeptic on the net as he has routinely used his superior scientific knowledge to put Darwinists in their place. Wow - I thought that comment was made with sarcasm until I followed the link. The lackwit actually means it. Yes he does. In a latter comment (you'll have to scroll down) he says:   Quote Michael Shermer? The same Michael Shermer who was eaten alive by high genius Jonathan Wells in a debate broadcast on CSPAN? (empahsis in the original). Almost makes me think it's a Poe. I mean, how can anyone seriously describe Wells as a "high genius"? Edited to correct a typo. -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,21:28    This thread is tard squared:link Quote There also appears to be none present in the current world. Where are all the dead ends, they don’t have to be extinct, and where are all the intermediaries, they do not have to be extinct. We just cannot assume that for every viable species that exists that all its predecessors are now extinct. That is just too convenient. -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,21:52    Quote (Lowell @ Jan. 19 2009,18:58) Looks like DaveScot has gone back to his old standby: AGW denial. And as a bonus, another DS prediction realized:      Quote In other news, what I said before is coming to pass. I wrote that when global cooling takes hold we’ll be left with only a fervent wish that more CO2 could warm it back up. Well, a newspaper editor in Flint Michigan has started praying for global warming. A newspaper editor? Oh, well that settles the matter. I thought Dembski put his foot down about non-ID posts, didn't he? You'd almost think DaveScot doesn't listen to him. Tard/crank convergence: Quote Actually, both climatology and evolution are subjects that involve long strings of inferences, any of which can be faulty. They depend on the reliability of deep time. They’re heavy on computer simulations, pre-fed with questionable assumptions (Note, by the way,how cleanly ID slices through some of the above failings) So, critiquing one “science” prepares you for a critique of the other. -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,21:55    DaveTard: Quote My position, which has remained unchanged for several years, is that phylogenesis was a planned sequence. Note to Dave: No one gives a flying fuck what your position is. Try to remember that. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,22:37    Quote I mean, how can anyone seriously describe Wells as a "high genius"? I've been around Wells from time to time, and I've never seen him take drugs. Edited by Lou FCD on Jan. 20 2009,00:06 -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,23:02    I'll bet you've never seen him do anything genius like either -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

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