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JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,14:07    Quote (Jim_Wynne @ July 01 2008,07:31) Back in the tard mine, in the Understanding Intelligent Design buy-my-book thread, Ekstasis rephrases the "What about PYGMIES + DWARFS??" question with regard to the idea that spices must have been a Divine Gift:   Quote And what about spices and seasonings? Why the big craving? Of course, we undertand why we need salt. But what about all those other bottles you find in your spice cabinet? Early humanity certainly did not offer curry and paprika and your other favorite flavorings on their roast whooly mammoth, so why the big deal? The phrase "roast whooly mammoth" has been rolling around my brain for the last couple of hours.  Is anyone looking for a band name? -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,14:11    Quote (Ra-Úl @ July 01 2008,15:04) The 'lunar craters were caused by a battle between Satan and the Angels' is a classic for the ages, with a lovely and admirably executed 180 by Dave; when a poster quoted one of Dave's beloved creo sources as having said that, Dave said "knee slapper", only to say this a few posts later: "Wow. I stand corrected. He DID write that on pp 66-67. Yes, I have the book. Amazing. I do see where he's coming from now though and I can follow his logic although I think it would be an impossible to theory to validate until we get to Heaven and ask God in person." Thomas Pynchon could not invent this guy. Ra-Ul LINK DAMN IT!  HAVE YOU NO HEART???? -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,14:34    Quote (JohnW @ July 01 2008,12:07) Quote (Jim_Wynne @ July 01 2008,07:31) Back in the tard mine, in the Understanding Intelligent Design buy-my-book thread, Ekstasis rephrases the "What about PYGMIES + DWARFS??" question with regard to the idea that spices must have been a Divine Gift:     Quote And what about spices and seasonings? Why the big craving? Of course, we undertand why we need salt. But what about all those other bottles you find in your spice cabinet? Early humanity certainly did not offer curry and paprika and your other favorite flavorings on their roast whooly mammoth, so why the big deal? The phrase "roast whooly mammoth" has been rolling around my brain for the last couple of hours.  Is anyone looking for a band name? Roast whooly mammoth and old earth koolaid. That's good eatin'. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Ra-Úl Posts: 93 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,14:39    Quote (Lou FCD @ July 01 2008,14:11) Quote (Ra-Úl @ July 01 2008,15:04) The 'lunar craters were caused by a battle between Satan and the Angels' is a classic for the ages, with a lovely and admirably executed 180 by Dave; when a poster quoted one of Dave's beloved creo sources as having said that, Dave said "knee slapper", only to say this a few posts later: "Wow. I stand corrected. He DID write that on pp 66-67. Yes, I have the book. Amazing. I do see where he's coming from now though and I can follow his logic although I think it would be an impossible to theory to validate until we get to Heaven and ask God in person." Thomas Pynchon could not invent this guy. Ra-Ul LINK DAMN IT!  HAVE YOU NO HEART???? So sorry. I thought I had : http://www.talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=3315 -------------- Beauty is that which makes us desperate. - P Valery

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,15:25    Quote (Ra-Úl @ July 01 2008,15:39) Quote (Lou FCD @ July 01 2008,14:11)   Quote (Ra-Úl @ July 01 2008,15:04) The 'lunar craters were caused by a battle between Satan and the Angels' is a classic for the ages, with a lovely and admirably executed 180 by Dave; when a poster quoted one of Dave's beloved creo sources as having said that, Dave said "knee slapper", only to say this a few posts later: "Wow. I stand corrected. He DID write that on pp 66-67. Yes, I have the book. Amazing. I do see where he's coming from now though and I can follow his logic although I think it would be an impossible to theory to validate until we get to Heaven and ask God in person." Thomas Pynchon could not invent this guy. Ra-Ul LINK DAMN IT!  HAVE YOU NO HEART???? So sorry. I thought I had : http://www.talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=3315 omfg. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,15:40    Quote (Ra-Úl @ July 01 2008,20:39)   Quote (Lou FCD @ July 01 2008,14:11)     Quote (Ra-Úl @ July 01 2008,15:04) The 'lunar craters were caused by a battle between Satan and the Angels' is a classic for the ages, with a lovely and admirably executed 180 by Dave; when a poster quoted one of Dave's beloved creo sources as having said that, Dave said "knee slapper", only to say this a few posts later: "Wow. I stand corrected. He DID write that on pp 66-67. Yes, I have the book. Amazing. I do see where he's coming from now though and I can follow his logic although I think it would be an impossible to theory to validate until we get to Heaven and ask God in person." Thomas Pynchon could not invent this guy. Ra-Ul LINK DAMN IT!  HAVE YOU NO HEART???? So sorry. I thought I had : http://www.talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=3315 Wow. I'm at a loss for words. If there is a better example around of submission to perceived authority I'd love to see it. Wait a minute, no I wouldn't. That's just sad. -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,15:48    Quote (Ra-Úl @ July 01 2008,12:39) Quote (Lou FCD @ July 01 2008,14:11)   Quote (Ra-Úl @ July 01 2008,15:04) The 'lunar craters were caused by a battle between Satan and the Angels' is a classic for the ages, with a lovely and admirably executed 180 by Dave; when a poster quoted one of Dave's beloved creo sources as having said that, Dave said "knee slapper", only to say this a few posts later: "Wow. I stand corrected. He DID write that on pp 66-67. Yes, I have the book. Amazing. I do see where he's coming from now though and I can follow his logic although I think it would be an impossible to theory to validate until we get to Heaven and ask God in person." Thomas Pynchon could not invent this guy. Ra-Ul LINK DAMN IT!  HAVE YOU NO HEART???? So sorry. I thought I had : http://www.talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=3315 Everyone should go read that thread right now.  Do whatever you need to do.  Quit your job.  Postpone your wedding.  Ignore the contractions. This is where argument-from-authority leads, kiddies.  Just say no. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

bystander Posts: 301 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,20:17    Quote (JohnW @ July 02 2008,03:48) Quote (Ra-Úl @ July 01 2008,12:39) Quote (Lou FCD @ July 01 2008,14:11)   Quote (Ra-Úl @ July 01 2008,15:04) The 'lunar craters were caused by a battle between Satan and the Angels' is a classic for the ages, with a lovely and admirably executed 180 by Dave; when a poster quoted one of Dave's beloved creo sources as having said that, Dave said "knee slapper", only to say this a few posts later: "Wow. I stand corrected. He DID write that on pp 66-67. Yes, I have the book. Amazing. I do see where he's coming from now though and I can follow his logic although I think it would be an impossible to theory to validate until we get to Heaven and ask God in person." Thomas Pynchon could not invent this guy. Ra-Ul LINK DAMN IT!  HAVE YOU NO HEART???? So sorry. I thought I had : http://www.talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=3315 Everyone should go read that thread right now.  Do whatever you need to do.  Quit your job.  Postpone your wedding.  Ignore the contractions. This is where argument-from-authority leads, kiddies.  Just say no. The site is down for maintenance --- Boo hoo hoo. Maybe the tard melted it.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,21:09    Quote http://www.talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=3315 That's a really funny exchange.

Cedric Katesby Posts: 55 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,08:08    Ra-Ul, Thank you. About that whole talkrational thread. It's just so... I mean it really is the most redicu.... (Pause) Please.  Everybody read it.  Words fail me.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 03 2008,00:58    Rather boring round here, isn't it?  It's slow at UD too.  The only action is Expelled getting a distributor for video. *yawn* -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

bystander Posts: 301 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 03 2008,01:18    DOL suggests that she could be in the extras part of the DVD *shudder*

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 03 2008,09:09    We have always been at war with.... erm... wait a minute.... fuck it We have always been at war with the evidence.  Shit that's not it.  We have always been at war with warming global darwinism. Ahhhhhhhhhhh.. better. Quote A great article in the WSJ about Global Warming. I really like this quote: If even slight global cooling remains evidence of global warming, what isn’t evidence of global warming? What we have here is a nonfalsifiable hypothesis, logically indistinguishable from claims for the existence of God. This doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist, or that global warming isn’t happening. It does mean it isn’t science.” When I saw this a corollary came to mind immediately: Even if things practically impossible for chance & necessity to conjure up remain evidence of neo-Darwinian evolution, what isn’t evidence of neo-Darwinian evolution? What we have here a nonfalsifiable hypothesis, logically indistinguishable from claims for the existence of God. This doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist, or that neo-Darwinian evolution isn’t happening. It does mean it isn’t science. Well be-jeesus I can do you one better.  Check out THIS corollary, muthafuckah! Quote Even if you tuck my frank and beans between my creamy hairless thighs, what isn’t evidence of my killer IQ and monster alpha-bitch genes? What we have here a nonfalsifiable hypothesis, logically indistinguishable from claims for the existence of the G Spot. This doesn’t mean the G Spot doesn’t exist, or that there are other Otto die Dackenwiess studs in the universe besides me. It does mean that you are a homo. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 03 2008,12:33    Quote (Bob O'H @ July 03 2008,00:58) Rather boring round here, isn't it?  It's slow at UD too.  The only action is Expelled getting a distributor for video. *yawn* You have to work at it, but there's a few nuggets you can still find by tard panning. Quote GilDodgen: {My daughter} was shown An Inconvenient Truth in her high school history class, and was assigned to write a paper about global warming in her English class. I helped her write the paper. It was fun. Yikes! Sometimes you just have to feel sorry for the kids. Quote GilDodgen: It is a public high school at which there is a politically correct indoctrination program. My older daughter is undergoing the same indoctrination in college. Dissent from orthodoxy is generally ridiculed, and the teachers and professors are almost universally leftist materialist secularists. Terrible. They must have persecuted the poor, poor child. Made her wear the dunce cap. Subjected her to ridicule and reeducation. Quote GilDodgen: The good news is that my younger daughter got an A on the paper. Those darn leftist materialist secularists! Oh, huh? An A? -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 03 2008,12:53    Quote My older daughter is undergoing the same indoctrination in college. Dissent from orthodoxy is generally ridiculed, and the teachers and professors are almost universally leftist materialist secularists. Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch. Shit, Gil, if you're so unhappy about their 'indoctrination', why not send them to Liberty, Bob Jones or better yet, East Jesus Bible and Polytechnic, where Bill is? Last I heard, it's real easy to get accepted to those places, and NO ONE ever mentions global warming. Any REASON why you didn't send her to one of those places? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,03:03    DS puts on his lawyer cap Quote The government should remain neutral on this subject by neither fostering or restricting differing beliefs on how life orginated and diversified. Clearly Comer, through her advertisement of Barbara Forrest’s lecture, using her employer’s computer network to broadcast it, and using her government email address and title to lend strength to the advertisement, violated a clear and constitutional government mandate regarding how employees are to conduct the government’s business. And if this "clear and constitutional government mandate" turns out to be wrong and Comer is reinstated does that mean that DS is no longer a lawyer? It even says in the text that DS quotes that the goverment mandate is what is being challenged.     Quote Christina Comer, who lost her job at the TEA last fall, said in a suit filed in federal court in Austin that she was terminated for contravening an “unconstitutional” policy at the agency. The policy required employees to be neutral on the subject of creationism – the biblical interpretation of the origin of humans, she said. No comments yet. Oh and DaveScot - you say   Quote The policy of her government employer was to remain neutral in any official capacity regarding the public controversy over evolution by chance vs. creation of life by design. Yet what's in question is quite clear   Quote The policy required employees to be neutral on the subject of creationism – the biblical interpretation of the origin of humans, she said. DaveScot, are you too scared to even say the C word? It's not evolution by chance vs design, it's evolution by chance vs creationism. Admit you are supporting the creationists on this one. It's not like your credibility can go any lower now is it? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,03:14    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 04 2008,03:03) DS puts on his lawyer cap       Quote Clearly Comer, through her advertisement of Barbara Forrest’s lecture, using her employer’s computer network to broadcast it, and using her government email address and title to lend strength to the advertisement, violated a clear and constitutional government mandate regarding how employees are to conduct the government’s business. What I would like to know is, what if instead of "Barbara Forrest's lecture" the email had been about, say, "William Dembski's lecture"? -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

nuytsia Posts: 131 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,07:36    Quote (bystander @ July 02 2008,17:18) DOL suggests that she could be in the extras part of the DVD *shudder* Can someone who is fluent in speaking in tongues, translate her comment into english? Quote (O'dreary @ July 02 2008) Russ, this’ll turn you off if nothing else does: I am supposedly on the video (I do not care one way or the other - they burnt up km of tape on me, and whether or no, fine, but I try to explain what I would have said in dead tree media. Thankfully, the trees and their dependents live.) How does this woman make a living?

Venus Mousetrap Posts: 201 Joined: Aug. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,07:51    Quote (nuytsia @ July 04 2008,07:36) Can someone who is fluent in speaking in tongues, translate her comment into english? ??? Quote (O'dreary @ July 02 2008) Russ, this’ll turn you off if nothing else does: I am supposedly on the video (I do not care one way or the other - they burnt up km of tape on me, and whether or no, fine, but I try to explain what I would have said in dead tree media. Thankfully, the trees and their dependents live.) It's okay. I speak Jive.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,07:53    dead tree media=print media Beyond that you're on your own. She did say she tried, and that should be good enough. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,08:36    Dave writes, Quote Forrest’s lecture, because it centers on creationism, even though critical of it, is still unconstitutional in public schools by current USSC decision. Any mention of creationism in the public schools, regardless of whether the mention is pro or con, is in fact the teaching of it. That is so wrong.  Does he really believe this? And, of course, it doesn't even apply because Forrest's speech was not going to be in a public school, but was rather going to be a public event.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,09:18    Quote (Jkrebs @ July 04 2008,08:36) Dave writes,   Quote Forrest’s lecture, because it centers on creationism, even though critical of it, is still unconstitutional in public schools by current USSC decision. Any mention of creationism in the public schools, regardless of whether the mention is pro or con, is in fact the teaching of it. That is so wrong.  Does he really believe this? And, of course, it doesn't even apply because Forrest's speech was not going to be in a public school, but was rather going to be a public event. DS is the guy who's stated that he does not really believe but just in case there is a deity then he's going to go through the motions in any case. Pascal's Wager for tards. DS believes that the all-powerful deity he's trying to appease won't see through such a charade, if it exists. So yes, no doubt this is really what DS believes. Stupid is not a disqualification for belief in DS tard world. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Ftk Posts: 2239 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,09:36    Quote (Jkrebs @ July 04 2008,08:36) Dave writes,   Quote Forrest’s lecture, because it centers on creationism, even though critical of it, is still unconstitutional in public schools by current USSC decision. Any mention of creationism in the public schools, regardless of whether the mention is pro or con, is in fact the teaching of it. That is so wrong.  Does he really believe this? So, Jack, are you saying that it's perfectly legal for a teacher to teach about "creationism" in the science classroom in the same manner that Barbara Forrest does in the public square?  But, at the same time, it is illegal to teach ID in the science classroom in the manner that perhaps Dembski would? Quote And, of course, it doesn't even apply because Forrest's speech was not going to be in a public school, but was rather going to be a public event. So, you would have no problem with Dembski speaking about the same issues at said event? -------------- "Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths"  -forastero

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,09:42    Quote (Ftk @ July 04 2008,09:36) Quote (Jkrebs @ July 04 2008,08:36) Dave writes,   Quote Forrest’s lecture, because it centers on creationism, even though critical of it, is still unconstitutional in public schools by current USSC decision. Any mention of creationism in the public schools, regardless of whether the mention is pro or con, is in fact the teaching of it. That is so wrong.  Does he really believe this? So, Jack, are you saying that it's perfectly legal for a teacher to teach about "creationism" in the science classroom in the same manner that Barbara Forrest does in the public square?  But, at the same time, it is illegal to teach ID in the science classroom in the manner that perhaps Dembski would?   Quote And, of course, it doesn't even apply because Forrest's speech was not going to be in a public school, but was rather going to be a public event. So, you would have no problem with Dembski speaking about the same issues at said event? Your opinions are worthless. Jellyfish? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,09:44    Quote (Ftk @ July 04 2008,09:36) So, Jack, are you saying that it's perfectly legal for a teacher to teach about "creationism" in the science classroom in the same manner that Barbara Forrest does in the public square?  But, at the same time, it is illegal to teach ID in the science classroom in the manner that perhaps Dembski would? That is the sort of logic for which the description "fractally wrong" was invented. And see here as well. -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,09:59    I don't think anyone has ever advocated preventing Dembski (or any creationist) speaking in public. Teaching creationism as science in public school science classes is all anyone opposes. I couldn't care less if Dembski (or any creationist) does umpteen speaking tours...well I care no more than I care about any other huckster taking cash from good but deluded people for vials of snake oil. I.e. he should be exposed for what he is by publically demontrating the falsity of his claims, as has regularly been done. That's quite different from silencing anyone or preventing them from speaking in public. As usual FruiTcaKe demonstrates her total cluelessness. Fractally wrong would be a step up for her. Louis -------------- Bye.

Ftk Posts: 2239 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,10:03    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 04 2008,09:44) [/quote]   Quote (Ftk @ July 04 2008,09:36) So, Jack, are you saying that it's perfectly legal for a teacher to teach about "creationism" in the science classroom in the same manner that Barbara Forrest does in the public square?  But, at the same time, it is illegal to teach ID in the science classroom in the manner that perhaps Dembski would? That is the sort of logic for which the description "fractally wrong" was invented. Would you expand on that accusation?  Why am I wrong, and how would you answer the questions I addressed to Jack? Quote And see here as well. Not a problem.  I apologize for accusing you of lying.  From what you said, it seemed obvious to me what had occurred, but if you state that that wasn't the case, then I will take your word for it.   -------------- "Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths"  -forastero

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,10:11    Quote (Ftk @ July 04 2008,10:03)  Would you expand on that accusation?  Why am I wrong, and how would you answer the questions I addressed to Jack?     Quote And see here as well. Not a problem.  I apologize for accusing you of lying.  From what you said, it seemed obvious to me what had occurred, but if you state that that wasn't the case, then I will take your word for it.   Thanks. I'm glad that what goes inside my head is "obvious" to you... Re your question to Jack, I'll let him answer that. I'll just point out what he said is not remotely close to your interpretation of what he said. But perhaps you can read his mind as well. -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Ftk Posts: 2239 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,10:11    Quote And, of course, it doesn't even apply because Forrest's speech was not going to be in a public school, but was rather going to be a public event. So, you would have no problem with Dembski speaking about the same issues at said event? edit: [for clarification, let me rephrase that... So, you would have no problem with a teacher emailing other teachers about a lecture given by Dembski on the same topics as Forrest would address?] -------------- "Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths"  -forastero

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,10:16    Quote (Ftk @ July 04 2008,10:03) Would you expand on that accusation?  Why am I wrong, and how would you answer the questions I addressed to Jack? Hark at "her" now! Would you care to expand on the 100's of things that you accuse others of? What a total hypocrite. You, lady, are going to hell. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

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