Robin
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| Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 08 2012,08:34) | I'm not assuming that she is submissive, I'm observing it.
I agree that their insults make them look worse and that the responses EL receives "lay bear the ignorance and mean-spiritedness at the core of UD", but I can't agree that being submissive to mullings or any other IDiot is a necessary or productive way to deal with them.
There's a huge difference between "calm tone" and caving in. All that being submissive accomplishes is to encourage the IDiots to think that they are dominant and superior, and lets them think that they have 'conquered' their opponent, and conquering, domination, and superiority is what they want. In other words, it 'enables' them and strengthens them.
Remember what I said about lions, limping prey, that I can see EL's weaknesses, and so the predatory IDiots can too?
Why do you think that EL gets so many accusations of being a liar thrown at her, and so many insults, and so much attention from the most belligerent, domineering IDiots? Sure, some other people get the same things thrown at them but some people who are more 'in-their-face' with the IDiots are not accused or insulted as much as EL is. Do you know why?
There are basically three things to consider:
1. The IDiots, and especially certain ones, are arrogant, narcissistic, chauvinistic, male, controlling, authoritarian, jealous, power-hungry, ruthless, predatory, unscrupulous god-wannabes.
2. EL is a woman, and they know it.
3. EL shows many weaknesses, and even submissiveness at times.
Once or twice on UD I've seen an IDiot say they they respect a strong opponent. Now, whether respect is really what that particular IDiot felt or not, it is something to think about. Of course most of the IDiots would never say that they respect a strong opponent and wouldn't 'respect' any opponent under any circumstances, but that doesn't mean that opponents shouldn't stand up firmly for whatever respect they 'deserve', and especially whatever respect they deserve from self-proclaimed 'moral', bible-thumping, ten-commandment promoting christians.
Think about this:
If you were in a face to face discussion/debate with a self-proclaimed 'moral' evangelical fundamentalist christian (e.g. gordo) and they repeatedly called you a liar and insulted you over and over again just because you disagree with them and point out why, with rational, evidence based arguments, in a calm tone, would you just stand there and take it and/or continue to try to discuss/debate anything with them, and would you think it's a good idea to show weaknesses or be submissive in any way?
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I disagree with you on this Truth.
While I find your analogies apt to some extent - such as "limping" prey being ~ to submissive debate participant - I disagree that in the UD format it makes any difference.
Let me ask you, what do you envision a Gordon Mullings or KF UD "pounce" would look (or read) like? Seriously? In what way would it - could it - ever actually harm Lizzie or anyone else? So what if they think they've conquered in their little world? It doesn't give them any actual points out where it actually could count.
I will certainly grant you that this might be different if she (or I) was in a face-to-face debate, but she isn't. That's the point. I think the fact she's doing what she does in the little dark corner that is UD makes all the difference. They are fangless predators there.
I think that's what Lizzie's figured out. The only thing they can "whip out" is their e-peen and some how affect someone else's ego. But Lizzie isn't going in to that fray with any ego or anything else on the line. She's completely immune to their pouncing and in fact just make them look completely impotent. They have no power at UD. Ranting in that echo chamber completely muffles any effect the rants might have. So Lizzie can - and imho quite effectively does - act as calmly passive - or even submissive in your view - and friendly as can be and all it does is to get them to pound their chests hard enough to hurt. Good for her.
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we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed. Bilbo
The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis
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