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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2020,11:39   

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BuffaloFebruary 15, 2020 at 10:51 am
We have drifted so far from our founding principles. We can recover by first understanding the founders and framers. Step 1 – return God (the way, the truth and the life) to the public square and schools. (for some reason we are OK with teaching partial truths and willingly pay for it) A Republic cannot survive great diversity as has been the goal of many. A Republic needs a like minded and moral citizenry. The founders knew this. America was founded on Catholic principles but has degenerated to secularism. The founders thought revolutions should happen often. We have not had one recently.


We have drifted far from our founding principles. Black people are treated like people now, women can vote, etcetera. And something tells me the claim about Catholic values is not going to go unchallenged.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2020,20:26   

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Buffalo
February 15, 2020 at 3:32 pm
jvl @100

The establishment clause states government cannot impose a religion on its people, but we the people sure can propose one to the government. At the time of the founding 99% of the population was Christian. 3/4 of the colonies already had a state sponsored Christian religion. The founders would not pick one over another and punted it back to the states. Every state has God in its preamble or constitution. The separation of state and religion is a recent construct. One can easily look up past presidential and congressional proclamations to see how Christian we really are. The question is do we want to preserve it or give it up? I submit the only thing better than a Christian Repub lic is a Catholic Republic.
Is Thomas Jefferson recent?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2020,08:08   

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Buffalo
February 15, 2020 at 3:32 pm
jvl @100

The establishment clause states government cannot impose a religion on its people, but we the people sure can propose one to the government. At the time of the founding 99% of the population was Christian. 3/4 of the colonies already had a state sponsored Christian religion. The founders would not pick one over another and punted it back to the states. Every state has God in its preamble or constitution. The separation of state and religion is a recent construct. One can easily look up past presidential and congressional proclamations to see how Christian we really are. The question is do we want to preserve it or give it up? I submit the only thing better than a Christian Repub lic is a Catholic Republic.
Is Thomas Jefferson recent?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2020,11:18   

Re "Is Thomas Jefferson recent?"

More recent than their primary source material. ;)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2020,22:01   

The most modest man in the world gives his opinion:    
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In short, David Hume was a two-bit thief who stole the ‘miraculous’ laws of nature away from the Christian founders of modern science who first discovered them.

All the way at the end of the reply

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,01:46   

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The most modest man in the world gives his opinion:    
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In short, David Hume was a two-bit thief who stole the ‘miraculous’ laws of nature away from the Christian founders of modern science who first discovered them.

All the way at the end of the reply

Yes but I hear that his ability to consume was greater than that of at least two other philosophers.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,02:07   

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The most modest man in the world gives his opinion:

That had me scratching my head about who you were referring to. After all, that description  could apply to Kairosfocus, Bornagain77, Upright Biped, ET, StephenB, Four Faces/Mapou....

ETA: fnxtr - ha ha ha

Edited by Ptaylor on Feb. 17 2020,19:17

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,02:16   

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The most modest man in the world gives his opinion:

That had me scratching my head about who you were referring to. After all, that description  could apply to Kairosfocus, Bornagain77, Upright Biped, ET, StephenB, Four Faces/Mapou....

You missed out Barry.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,02:17   

I'm calling Poe on this one, although it is always hard to tell
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BobRyan
February 17, 2020 at 1:05 am

Other than man, which animals are philosophical as part of their nature? Philosophy cannot be found in the natural world and has not real purpose for materialists. It’s something that should not exist, since it does not exist in nature. If man has the capability to be philosophical, then man cannot evolve from animals. Either philosophy is nothing more than an illusion and meaningless regardless of the source, or man is unique.


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,12:23   

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February 17, 2020 at 12:18 pm
We are not “just like” animals, we are animals so we should be just as susceptible as other mammals to selective breeding practices.

As Dawkins points out, though, the issue is not whether we could use eugenics on humans, it has always been whether we should.

When we talk about a “better” human being, what do we mean? Someone with the physical build of Arnold Schwarzenegger, the scientific genius of Albert Einstein and the artistic flair of Michelangelo? Maybe, but what if all those were coupled with the personality of a Donald Trump?

What would you see as a “better human”?


lol

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,12:29   

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Seversky
February 17, 2020 at 12:18 pm
We are not “just like” animals, we are animals so we should be just as susceptible as other mammals to selective breeding practices.

As Dawkins points out, though, the issue is not whether we could use eugenics on humans, it has always been whether we should.

When we talk about a “better” human being, what do we mean? Someone with the physical build of Arnold Schwarzenegger, the scientific genius of Albert Einstein and the artistic flair of Michelangelo? Maybe, but what if all those were coupled with the personality of a Donald Trump?

What would you see as a “better human”?


lol

Followed by EG’s response
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Sev, that has always been the risk of selective breeding. Breeding to obtain positive traits (eg Arnie’s physique, Einstein’s intelligence and Michelangelo’s artistic abilities) often comes hand-in-hand (and inseparably) with some serious negative traits (eg. Trump’s and ET’s pathological narcissistic tendencies). 🙂

Society has decided that it is better off without increasing the frequency of those negative traits.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,14:50   

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Seversky
February 17, 2020 at 12:18 pm
We are not “just like” animals, we are animals so we should be just as susceptible as other mammals to selective breeding practices.

As Dawkins points out, though, the issue is not whether we could use eugenics on humans, it has always been whether we should.

When we talk about a “better” human being, what do we mean? Someone with the physical build of Arnold Schwarzenegger, the scientific genius of Albert Einstein and the artistic flair of Michelangelo? Maybe, but what if all those were coupled with the personality of a Donald Trump?

What would you see as a “better human”?


lol

Followed by EG’s response
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Sev, that has always been the risk of selective breeding. Breeding to obtain positive traits (eg Arnie’s physique, Einstein’s intelligence and Michelangelo’s artistic abilities) often comes hand-in-hand (and inseparably) with some serious negative traits (eg. Trump’s and ET’s pathological narcissistic tendencies). 🙂

Society has decided that it is better off without increasing the frequency of those negative traits.

And yet somehow, some narcissistic assholes manage to reproduce anyhow.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,16:06   

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February 17, 2020 at 1:45 pm
Bob (and weave) O’Hara claims


I bet DunningKruger77 thinks that’s clever.  :p  :p  :p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,16:20   

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Bornagain77
February 17, 2020 at 4:13 pm
Mimus, not confused at all. There is no such thing as “additive genetic variance”. That just another one of those materialistic myths that Darwinists believe in.


Idiot-talk found here

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,16:30   

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Bornagain77
February 17, 2020 at 1:45 pm
Bob (and weave) O’Hara claims


I bet DunningKruger77 thinks that’s clever.  :p  :p  :p

Isn’t batshit the first one to go crying to a moderator when someone makes fun of his “name”?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,18:13   

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Bornagain77
February 17, 2020 at 1:45 pm
Bob (and weave) O’Hara claims


I bet DunningKruger77 thinks that’s clever.  :p  :p  :p

Isn’t batshit the first one to go crying to a moderator when someone makes fun of his “name”?

Batshitcrazy77
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I gave you an opportunity to retract. I have now flagged it up to admin..

I have no idea what you are talking about.
Mommy, the mean man called me a name

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,18:16   

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Ed George.    February 17, 2020 at 6:06 pm
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I gave you an opportunity to retract. I have now flagged it up to admin..


Fair enough. His/her action will be very informative on the true nature of this site. If he/she bans both of us for referring to others with an ad hominem (“BS” in my case and “Bob and weave” in yours) then neither of us could argue that we weren’t being treated fairly. However, if he/she bans only one of us then he/she would be shown to be a hypocrite. I have faith that the moderator will do the right thing.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,20:20   

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Ed George
February 17, 2020 at 5:58 pm
Mimus, thank you for bringing up additive genetic variance. It made me look into it in more detail. I don’t understand how anyone can take exception to it. All it is referring to is the ways in which the different alleles get expressed in the phenotype.

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February 17, 2020 at 6:04 pm
Yeah, so this is one of those cases were knowing literally anything about a topic is helpful.

For genuinely interested folks.

Genetic variance is the is ~ the total variation in genes that contrbute to variation in some trait.
Additive genetic variance is the protion of total genetic variance that is additive (that is the effects of two different genes can just be added up, withoug invoking complex interactions and the like).
We can estimate the amount of additive genetic variance from pedigrees and the like. There is good reason to think     most genetic variance in complex traits is additive


   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,20:22   

BS77 desperately needs a safe space so people can think his cut and paste means he’s smart.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,20:25   

Then ET, contra batshit, says nobody takes exception to additive genetic variance.

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LoL! No one takes exception to additive genetic variance.



I mean, how could you. You didn’t know what the term meant until a few minutes ago!

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,20:33   

Batshitcrazy77 is not going to like this.
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February 17, 2020 at 8:29 pm
BS77:”Dr. John Sanford has now falsified Fisher’s theorem”

And THAT is why we call you BS77.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2020,20:40   

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Batshitcrazy77 is not going to like this.  
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MatSpirit
February 17, 2020 at 8:29 pm
BS77:”Dr. John Sanford has now falsified Fisher’s theorem”

And THAT is why we call you BS77.

Oh shit! I literally paused Better Call Saul to check the site, saw that comment, and came here to put it.  :)  :)  :p  :D

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2020,00:11   

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Ed George.    February 17, 2020 at 6:06 pm
 
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I gave you an opportunity to retract. I have now flagged it up to admin..


Fair enough. His/her action will be very informative on the true nature of this site. If he/she bans both of us for referring to others with an ad hominem (“BS” in my case and “Bob and weave” in yours) then neither of us could argue that we weren’t being treated fairly. However, if he/she bans only one of us then he/she would be shown to be a hypocrite. I have faith that the moderator will do the right thing.

And guess which way Barry went? No banning but:
 
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February 17, 2020 at 11:43 pm

Ed George and MatSprit, refrain from referring to BA77 in such a patently offensive fashion. Only warning.


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2020,02:46   

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Ed George.    February 17, 2020 at 6:06 pm
   
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I gave you an opportunity to retract. I have now flagged it up to admin..


Fair enough. His/her action will be very informative on the true nature of this site. If he/she bans both of us for referring to others with an ad hominem (“BS” in my case and “Bob and weave” in yours) then neither of us could argue that we weren’t being treated fairly. However, if he/she bans only one of us then he/she would be shown to be a hypocrite. I have faith that the moderator will do the right thing.

And guess which way Barry went? No banning but:
 
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Barry Arrington
February 17, 2020 at 11:43 pm

Ed George and MatSprit, refrain from referring to BA77 in such a patently offensive fashion. Only warning.

Oh good, he didn't warn me. :-)

Oh, hi Barry, didn't see you there?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2020,08:49   

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such a patently offensive fashion.


My stars! I do believe i have the vapors! (Faints)

What a snowflake  :p  :D  :p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2020,08:57   



I’m starting to suspect Gordon has actual brain damage.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2020,10:15   

Oh dear. I think I've broken Truthfreedom
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February 18, 2020 at 8:47 am

I am Stephen Hawking resurrected! Bob O’H the atheist materialist grammar-twister believes in resurrection! 🙂


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2020,10:44   

I’m just enjoying Batshit77 schooling you guys on additive genetic variance.  :p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2020,15:25   

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I’m just enjoying Batshit77 schooling you guys on additive genetic variance.  :p

He is very entertaining, in a spoiled little child sort of way.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2020,18:05   

I didn't think it was possible, but I do believe truthfreedom has lowered the quality of discourse at UD even lower than it was.

  
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