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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,19:19   

Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 14 2007,19:08)
That's an astounding amount of ice.

Yup. Keep in mind that during the last ice age -- a mere 12,000+ years ago -- sea levels were 120 meters LOWER than they are now.

That's when Alaska and Siberia were connected, and Britain was connected to the continent. (Tho most of Britain was under a ginormous glacier.)

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,19:33   

Quote (Faid @ Feb. 15 2007,03:12)
 
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Islam is a disease and people like me are the cure.


OMG he's really starting to lose it, isnt he?

Bwhahahahahahahahaha

You're only just getting it aren't you?

DT is and always has been a ranting pocket facsist, so is Idol Billy the protectors and cannon fodder restockers for the great Neo-con dream of PNAC. Little do they realize The Fraud of Neoconservative "Anti-Communism"
DT couldn't give a running **** what side of religion/science/evolution he supports as long as it's his side.

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,19:40   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 14 2007,16:28)
I have two pictures of Dave and I can't decide which is correct.

   or    

This one:




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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,19:54   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 14 2007,19:19)
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 14 2007,19:08)
That's an astounding amount of ice.

Yup. Keep in mind that during the last ice age -- a mere 12,000+ years ago -- sea levels were 120 meters LOWER than they are now.

That's when Alaska and Siberia were connected, and Britain was connected to the continent. (Tho most of Britain was under a ginormous glacier.)

SHUT UP IDIOT THAT'S 6000 YEARS OLDER THAN THE UNIVERSE.






HOMO.

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,20:12   

One night years ago over many beers, I and some friends calcualted the thermal expansion of saltwater for 3 degrees c.  Applied to the oceans it was about a 10 meter raise all by itself.  However, there is about a 450 year mixing time at least for the Pacific, and a few other problems.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,20:17   

WAD is mad.  
 
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New Kansas Science Standards Redefine “Science”
William Dembski
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Questions:

What is matter?
What is energy?
What are forces?
Why should we think these are adequate for scientific inquiry?

Materialistic answers to these questions are insupportable in the wider public square. Indeed, try to justify the “inalienable rights” ascribed in the Declaration of Independence not in terms of a creator but in terms of “material forces.” It doesn’t work.

Does WAD really believe that science should be defined such that the Declaration of Independence can be reformulated as a scientific utterance?  

Reborn pansy Christian.

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dhogaza



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,20:17   

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...tho that article also says "As most of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets lie above the snowline and/or base of the permafrost zone, they cannot melt in a timeframe much less than several millennia". Tho I suppose it's still an open question whether a significant *part* of them could melt.

Also, melting while on land is not the only mechanism proposed for the disappearance of Greenland's glaciers.  Glaciers there are lubricated by water that flows through cracks down to the rock below, which speeds the rate at which they flow to the sea and calve icebergs, which then melt relatively quickly.  At least one recent paper proposes that warming is leading to a measurable increase in the flow rate of Greenland's glaciers, due to increased lubrication.

So the possibility of Greenland's ice sheet disappearing in century-timescales rather than millennia might be a possibility if they're right.

In Antartica a lot of the ice is just sitting there in the interior desert  , not flowing to the sea, at least that's my understanding.

  
"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,20:24   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 14 2007,20:17)
WAD is mad.  
   
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New Kansas Science Standards Redefine “Science”
William Dembski
...

Questions:

What is matter?
What is energy?
What are forces?
Why should we think these are adequate for scientific inquiry?

Materialistic answers to these questions are insupportable in the wider public square. Indeed, try to justify the “inalienable rights” ascribed in the Declaration of Independence not in terms of a creator but in terms of “material forces.” It doesn’t work.

Does WAD really believe that science should be defined such that the Declaration of Independence can be reformulated as a scientific utterance?  

Reborn pansy Christian.

But ID doesn't have anything to do with getting religion in schools.

No sirree Bob.

It's just them lying atheist darwinists who say it does.

Right, Bill . . . . .?


Geez, these retards STILL have no idea at all why they lost in Dover . . . .  .



(snicker) (giggle)

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GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,20:43   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 14 2007,20:03)
"Full fury of our wrath". Dave Tard thinks he's an Old Testament prophet or something. Gimme a fuckin break, he's lucky if he can bend a box of Oreos to his will.

Are you kidding?  Have you seen that guy?  I'm sure he could put away a few boxes of oreos.  After that demonstration of eating power, he'll have them praising his agnostic god out of fear.

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,21:01   

WAD is mad in the OTHER sense of "mad."
   
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New Kansas Science Standards Redefine “Science”
William Dembski
...

Questions:

What is matter?
What is energy?
What are forces?
Why should we think these are adequate for scientific inquiry?

Materialistic answers to these questions are insupportable in the wider public square.


So, now WAD rejects "materialistic" accounts (i.e. naturalistic accounts) of matter, energy, and various forces?

This guy is loosing his bearings.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,21:04   

I think Davetard's got to be shorter than he claims. He claims to be 5'10 and 220, but look at that photo. My stats aren't too different, I'm 6' and 230, but I don't look anything that fat. My build is George Clooney's from Syriana:



(too bad I don't have Clooney's looks)

that's pudgy, but Davetard looks morbidly obese. If he's really 220, I bet he's not 5'10. Probably more like 5'7.

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,21:18   

The peasants are revolting:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2070#comment-91522

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To throw my hat into the fray: I am a Fundamentalist (meaning I believe the Bible is G-d’s inspired, innerant Word) Messianic believer, I believe in Israel’s right to exist in the Holy Land, etc. I believe Islam is a false religion, though I believe that it is closer to being true than almost any other religion outside Judeo-Christianity.

That being said, I cringe when I read reactionary, exaggerated Islamophobia. You may have your reasons for doing so, and this is WmAD’s blog, but I am THANKFUL to the fullest that this does not represent an “ID” position, nor is related to ID in any meaningful way.

Remember, ID is as much Islam friendly as it is Christianity friendy, as it is Deism friendly. Let’s not kick people out of the tent just yet guys.

Again, I’m not going to defend the Kingdom of Islam or the Church, I don’t need to. But since I am a regular commenter here, I want to make explicit that these are views I do NOT share and apologize to any Muslim friends in cyberspace if this is offensive to you. It is offenseive to me as well, and I’m not Muslim.


Fair play to you Atom. I don't agree with much you say, but to stand up for a religion you aren't speaks well of you.

*Gives Atom one "free get out of Tard free" card*

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,21:25   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 14 2007,22:18)
The peasants are revolting:

Yes, they are.

Oh, you meant that as a verb.

Mibad.

   
someotherguy



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,21:57   

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By the way, I take it as a compliment when an asshat like you calls me “Tard”. Thank you


I thought UD was supposed to be family-friendly!  What if the children at Overwhelming Evidence see this foul, this filth?

Somebody think of the children!!!!!

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,22:19   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 15 2007,05:18)
The peasants are revolting:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2070#comment-91522

 
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To throw my hat into the fray: I am a Fundamentalist (meaning I believe the Bible is G-d’s inspired, innerant Word) Messianic believer, I believe in Israel’s right to exist in the Holy Land, etc. I believe Islam is a false religion, though I believe that it is closer to being true than almost any other religion outside Judeo-Christianity.

That being said, I cringe when I read reactionary, exaggerated Islamophobia. You may have your reasons for doing so, and this is WmAD’s blog, but I am THANKFUL to the fullest that this does not represent an “ID” position, nor is related to ID in any meaningful way.

Remember, ID is as much Islam friendly as it is Christianity friendy, as it is Deism friendly. Let’s not kick people out of the tent just yet guys.

Again, I’m not going to defend the Kingdom of Islam or the Church, I don’t need to. But since I am a regular commenter here, I want to make explicit that these are views I do NOT share and apologize to any Muslim friends in cyberspace if this is offensive to you. It is offenseive to me as well, and I’m not Muslim.


Fair play to you Atom. I don't agree with much you say, but to stand up for a religion you aren't speaks well of you.

*Gives Atom one "free get out of Tard free" card*

er ...maybe

Dog day phobia at the cat herd corral

we almost have a full house here

Islamophobia
Anti-Islamophobia
Homophobia
Global Meltdown-phobia
Science-phobia
Atheist Phobia
Old earth-phobia
Librul-phobia

Ride 'em cowgirly man... live the dream.

All hat and no cattle


cowboys herding cats

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,22:47   

Sometimes something comes along so wonderful that you just think, "Here's the next Disco Institute senior fellow":

http://scienceblogs.com/authori...._de.php



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Jack, you would have us believe that science is only about exterior surfaces and that we should all just sit down and shut up and listen to the experts tell us to go ahead and marry men to men and tell our kids that it doesn’t matter because the muslim religion is just as good as the one that we have here in america so don’t worry because there is no heaven anyway, unless you’re budhist or muslim, in which case there might be, but if you burn our flag, it makes you cool like all the scientists who claim that all we are is a temporary agglomeration of atoms held together with organic vegetables and defended by vegetarian hippies. You just don’t get it.


*Wipes tear from eye*

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,22:55   

Here we go:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2071#comment-91543

 
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6

DaveScot

02/14/2007

3:02 pm
When I was working at Dell and our (then recent) pioneering of automated assembly of one-at-a-time customer-specified computer software/hardware configurations was robbing our competitors of all their profits and half their customers we used to say they were in a “vast state of disarray”. Compaq was the usual specifically named entity in such disarray. This is the same state that evolutionary biology is in. As my momma used to say “they don’t know whether to sh*t or wind their watches”.

7

Borne

02/14/2007

11:45 pm
DaveScot: Your momma was a woman of elegant words, and wise.


No. The smartest thing to come out of Dave's Mom's mouth is my cock.

*Brace for bathroom wall impact, Keptin!*


EDIT: Make that the smartest thing to come out of any part of Daves mom..

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,23:05   

This has got to be one of Joseph's best arguments to date:

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DaveScot,

Great job digging this up.

That said I can’t help but think that all we are pouring into the atmosphere is having some negative effects. And perhaps that is the key- “they” play on our pre-existing concepts.

Is there any data anywhere that shows the concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere?


From here.

If I get him, he means something like this:

1.  I believe that global warming may just be correct; I mean it sounds like it's correct.

2.  dum aethiest, libral scintist guys know that I think this.

3.  so, they produce and make up facts from false data that support my pre-believed beliefs

4.  becuse they data supports my thoughts, it must be not true.  See, its just a conspiracy because they know that I know that I think they may be onto something.  see?

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dhogaza



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,23:30   

WAD blows his religion wad again...

(hey WAD == wad, not bad!)

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A new journal is coming out that wouldn’t be necessary if we weren’t so much trouble: Outreach and Education in Evolution, published by Springer Verlag. As a seminary professor (among other things), I usually associate the word “outreach” with proselytizing and missionary zeal. For people who aren’t religious, those Darwinists sure have learned a lot from religion.


But, hey, WAD, it's not about religion, is it, just science.  Hmm, well, apparently you forgot that.  Equating the opposition with religion isn't exactly the best way to convince people that religion isn't the foundation of your problem with science, dude!

  
Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,00:01   

There is some vintage tard going on in the comments of the Kansas science standards thread, after Jack Krebs has paid them a visit.
Just one example:
     
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31

Doug

02/14/2007

11:42 pm

Jack, you would have us believe that science is only about exterior surfaces and that we should all just sit down and shut up and listen to the experts tell us to go ahead and marry men to men and tell our kids that it doesn’t matter because the muslim religion is just as good as the one that we have here in america so don’t worry because there is no heaven anyway, unless you’re budhist or muslim, in which case there might be, but if you burn our flag, it makes you cool like all the scientists who claim that all we are is a temporary agglomeration of atoms held together with organic vegetables and defended by vegetarian hippies. You just don’t get it.

Classic stuff.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,00:03   

Aha.. I was the firstest!

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djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,00:45   

I was listening to NPR news about 10 pm tonight.  The story was on Kansas dumping their old Intelligent Design friendly science standards and replacing them with ... well... science.

But the best part was the dude from the Discovery Institute who was threatening a lawsuit!!!

Yeehaw!!  Dover II, here we come!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,00:57   

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Aha.. I was the firstest!

*Curtseys to Richard*

A lot has happened, hasn't it, since poor Mohammed made his assertion (and a silly one for all the reasons I said).

So much for language being irreducibly complex. I am reminded of a dotty idea by the surrealists (I love them but they fought like gangsters and had a lot of dotty ideas) that trance states led to "words making love." Man, enough trance states and automatic writing, and they were fighting like mad dogs. So much for "words making love." So much for nicey-nice ideas about God and language and poetry in DNA and such.

And I know a lot of Muslims--a lot. I have issues with Islam as I do with all religions (and some nonreligious ideas), but I'd trust these people with m life. What a mess over at UD. Just ugly. :(

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Occam's Toothbrush



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,03:42   

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DaveScot

02/14/2007

6:31 pm
At the peanut gallery Occum’s Toothbrush observes:

Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine. It’s reasonable to ask about connections between service in the Marine Corps and individuals that are taking it upon themselves to assassinate world leaders.

Right, Tard?

Yes, plaque monkey, that is right. Marines and their rifles are deadly weapons and they aren’t always playing with a full deck, if you know what I mean, and I think you do. Oswald fired three shots in five seconds with cheap Italian bolt action rifle from a distance of one hundred yards at a moving target and scored one head shot. Awesome. Marines should be monitored closely after release back into the wild.

By the way, I take it as a compliment when an asshat like you calls me “Tard”. Thank you

I don't understand why D'Tard thinks he's getting anywhere with this big, bad, tough Marine act.  I mean, there's one simple response that destroys the illusion of DT's toughness like a Mannlicher-Carcano-fired 6.5mm bullet destroying Kennedy's skull:



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,04:08   

I'm not a scientist (because I've only subscribed to Scientific American for a total of maybe 3 years), and I can't claim to be a genius (because I took my SATs when I was 16, not 24), but if I was a 1337 h@xxor like D'Tard, I would put my Dell-trained mind to work on the only existing digital photo of myself and crop it thusly:

But then again, who are we to judge the time management of a person who is simultaneously performing advanced mycology experiments, sailing the seas as captain of a great ship, managing a vast fortune, trying to resist impregnating the women of the world, and licking the boots of the great William A. Dembski?  I'm sure he's just too busy to be concerned with minor aesthetic matters.  Like getting dressed in the morning.  Or scraping the Twinkies residue from the corners of his mouth.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,06:15   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 14 2007,21:18)
The peasants are revolting:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2070#comment-91522

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To throw my hat into the fray: I am a Fundamentalist (meaning I believe the Bible is G-d’s inspired, innerant Word) Messianic believer, I believe in Israel’s right to exist in the Holy Land, etc. I believe Islam is a false religion, though I believe that it is closer to being true than almost any other religion outside Judeo-Christianity.

That being said, I cringe when I read reactionary, exaggerated Islamophobia. You may have your reasons for doing so, and this is WmAD’s blog, but I am THANKFUL to the fullest that this does not represent an “ID” position, nor is related to ID in any meaningful way.

Remember, ID is as much Islam friendly as it is Christianity friendy, as it is Deism friendly. Let’s not kick people out of the tent just yet guys.

Again, I’m not going to defend the Kingdom of Islam or the Church, I don’t need to. But since I am a regular commenter here, I want to make explicit that these are views I do NOT share and apologize to any Muslim friends in cyberspace if this is offensive to you. It is offenseive to me as well, and I’m not Muslim.


Fair play to you Atom. I don't agree with much you say, but to stand up for a religion you aren't speaks well of you.

*Gives Atom one "free get out of Tard free" card*

I'm curious --- is DI giving money to the Harun Yahya nutters, like ICR and AiG are?

Has Harun Yahya begun using any "intelligent design" verbiage (like the YEC's in the UK have), or are they still sticking to the standard creation "science" crapola from thirty years ago.

Anyone know?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,06:45   

Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 15 2007,00:57)
So much for language being irreducibly complex.

We chortle at the suggestion, but ideas that are essentially equivalent to IC were actually batted around by linguists after Chomsky.  Chomsky himself took an anti-evolutionary position. Although he believed that the underlying structure of human language is innate, he did not accept that it was a product of natural selection. Instead, he asserted that the human mind possesses an emergent, irreducible essence, and argued that few if any other genetic configurations could support this essence:

"In studying the evolution of mind, we cannot guess to what extent there are physically possible alternatives to, say, transformational generative grammar, for an organism meeting certain other physical conditions characteristic of humans. Conceivably, there are none—or very few—in which case talk about the evolution of the language capacity is beside the point.…When we study human language, we are approaching what some might call the “human essence,” the distinctive qualities of mind that are, so far as we know, unique to man and that are inseparable from any critical phase of human existence, personal or social." (From Language and Mind, 1972, p. 98)

Others, like Bickerton, have taken similar positions: Bickerton early argued that syntaxes simpler than those of contemporary complexity would not have functioned.  So he proposed an essentially saltationist view of the evolution of language.  He later abandoned that position, however (because it was blown out of the water.)

All this was fiercely opposed and, in my opinion, refuted by Pinker and Bloom (beginning with their 1990 BBS article "Natural Language and Natural Selection") and many others, who have no difficulty imagining earlier, simpler forms of syntax that embody fewer rules than does contemporary human language.

But the notion did get some serious play.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,07:01   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 15 2007,01:03)
Aha.. I was the firstest!

You get half a point only.
You only got the quote right.  NOT the linky.  You linked to MD's site on "scienceblogs" not UD.

I give half a point to Ptaylor.

I know, I know.  Pathetic level of detail.  BUT REFUTE IT (or edit it into the memory hole maybe).
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Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 14 2007,23:47)
Sometimes something comes along so wonderful that you just think, "Here's the next Disco Institute senior fellow":

http://scienceblogs.com/authori...._de.php
Sorry Richard.  Memory Hole is no longer available.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,07:07   

I have long been of the opinion that most IDers hold their position due to non-scientific biases, and that they convince themselves that they have a valid argument based on fundamental misunderstandings of basic principles of science and through a conflation of essential terminology. That's why you will often see me start with the most fundamental principles, such as the basics of classification, when having such discussions with IDers. (E.g., Teleologist has now explicitly claimed we can't classify organisms based on observed traits. I can't make him look, but now others will recognize that his eyes are shut.)

The New Kansas Science Standards Redefine “Science” thread at Uncommon Descent is a case in point. The entire thread is definitely worth a read to anyone interested in how IDers approach the issue of science.

Dembski: Indeed, try to justify the “inalienable rights” ascribed in the Declaration of Independence not in terms of a creator but in terms of “material forces.” It doesn’t work.

mike1962: Isn’t intelligence a “force?”  

Jack Kreb attempts to add some sense to the discussion.      
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Nowhere in the standards does it say that science is the only way to seek explanations, or that “what we observe around us” is the only type of thing that can be studied... The standards do not mention a whole raft of concepts important to human beings: love, justice, aesthetics and so on - but that doesn’t mean that science denies their existence.


GilDodgen: This is why parents who think that their children are more than glorified chemistry are angered by the indoctrination their children receive in the public schools

JGuy: Under the new rules, can you scientifically demonstrate that the lead in my car’s battery was actually forged in a star?

Doug: you would have us believe that science is only about exterior surfaces and that we should all just sit down and shut up and listen to the experts tell us to go ahead and marry men to men and tell our kids that it doesn’t matter because the muslim religion is just as good as the one that we have here in america so don’t worry because there is no heaven anyway, unless you’re budhist or muslim, in which case there might be, but if you burn our flag, it makes you cool like all the scientists who claim that all we are is a temporary agglomeration of atoms held together with organic vegetables and defended by vegetarian hippies. You just don’t get it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,07:18   

And DaveScot sticks his psychometric neck out again.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2066#comment-91478
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And would somebody PLEASE teach those poor fools something to help them know the difference between absolute humidity, relative humidity, dewpoint, and precipitation? One poor ignorant soul is waving around an absolute humidity chart like it proves that cold air is drier than warm air.

Maybe if we ask him what happens when you warm up foggy air - does it get “wetter” or “drier”? When you can explain your answer you’ll stop waving that chart around and your ignorant comrades will stop applauding you for it. The saddest thing is that must be people who post on ATBC that know it’s wrong but they won’t point it out.

To answer Dave's simpleton question.... No, the air isn't wetter or drier because your looking at the same mass/volume of air.

And Dave continues to confuse the issue that Mike Dunford had explained.  The "carrying capacity" of warmer air (lb H2O/lb air) is in the chart.  Colder air is "drier" than warmer air when saturated.  When the warmer air precipitates it has the ability to drop more water than cold air.  This is the point about the warming trend causing increased snowfall in the Arctic/Antarctic.

Will Dave acknowledge that this is what Mike Dunford has stated?

AtBC minds want to know.

Mike PSS

p.s. Bonus question for DaveScot since he understands water so much.  Why does a lake stay liquid in the Yukon underneath a solid layer of ice?  If the lake was made of metal with similar freezing/melting temperatures then the whole lake would freeze solid during the winter.  Why not a water lake?

  
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