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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,11:10   

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I just emailed the double top secret IntelligentDesignNews.org group, If I forgot you, or you want in, let me know!

Hey!

Where's my invite?

No more sexi time for you my man.

Louis

Oh, You said..

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I offer two things for this laudable parody site you are creating:

1) Moral support.

2) This video.


But PM me email addy if you want in, cheese.

I EXPECT TO BE BEGGED DAMMIT!!!!

Louis

P.S. In all seriousness, I think I better leave this sort of thing to you chaps. It's just the word "secret" it gets me so curious. I almost joined the Masons once, but there was a requirement I was unwilling to fulfill. It did not involve spanking.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,11:15   

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P.S. In all seriousness, I think I better leave this sort of thing to you chaps. It's just the word "secret" it gets me so curious. I almost joined the Masons once, but there was a requirement I was unwilling to fulfill. It did not involve spanking.


You wouldn't go along with the lack of spanking?

Never let it be said that you lack the courage of your convictions, Louis.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,11:33   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 24 2007,17:15)
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P.S. In all seriousness, I think I better leave this sort of thing to you chaps. It's just the word "secret" it gets me so curious. I almost joined the Masons once, but there was a requirement I was unwilling to fulfill. It did not involve spanking.


You wouldn't go along with the lack of spanking?

Never let it be said that you lack the courage of your convictions, Louis.

I knew that you would parse it that way, Arden. I set 'em up, you knock 'em down!

The reason is that Masons have to believe in a higher (supernatural) power. I don't. Ergo I cannot be a Mason.

The lack of spanking was a side issue. No, really. Honest. When I was a lad, and the headmaster was away from the school and I'd been a naughty boy, the punishment was dealt with by Matron. Thus on certain days of the year I was beaten on the backside by a large, matronly woman, called who used a tennis shoe to administer the spanking. She used to tell me I was a very naughty boy whilst she did it too. Ah the halcyon days of youth.*

Nowadays I have to pay upwards of £200 for that sort of treatment.**

Louis

*This is actually true.

**This is not true at all. I have a discount card.***

***I don't actually have a discount card. You get get a spanking with air miles nowadays.****

****Actually, AFAIK you can't. More's the bloody pity.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,11:33   

bFast:
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For instance, what happens when a new designed mutation happens. Does the designer change one gene, leaving the rest of the organism unchanged, then go in and change another? Or does the designer present an entire set of genes to an organism adding a new feature? This should be detectable. Some have suggested that the designer starts from scratch, from dust, and creates a whole new species. If so this should be detectable — the evidence I have seen goes against this hypothesis. There is so much that might be discoverable once we begin to look with the eyes that there’s been an agent a-twiddlin’.


Some have suggested the designer started from dust eh? All science so far.

BFast, how do you detect if a mutation is "designed" or not? Seems to me that would be the first step.

what an IDiot

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,11:33   

Even more reason for FTK to do her reading homework -
ID Theory predicts this Future Headline:

Kansas Soccer Mom Saves ID Theorey.

Seattle WA:  The Discovery Institute reported today that an unknown soccer mom from Kansas, known as FTK, has recently succeeded where ID scientists Mike Behe, Dr. Dr. William Dembski and noted autodidact and Full Time Dickweed DaveScot Springer were at a total dead-end and unable to proceeed.

FTK was quoted as saying "It came to me in a flash, as I was lap-dancing one night for some strange horny Englishman."   ID is like a pole.  You can dance all up and down and all around it, but it doesn't go anywhere.  It's just there.

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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,11:45   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 24 2007,11:33)
bFast:  
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For instance, what happens when a new designed mutation happens. Does the designer change one gene, leaving the rest of the organism unchanged, then go in and change another? Or does the designer present an entire set of genes to an organism adding a new feature? This should be detectable. Some have suggested that the designer starts from scratch, from dust, and creates a whole new species. If so this should be detectable — the evidence I have seen goes against this hypothesis. There is so much that might be discoverable once we begin to look with the eyes that there’s been an agent a-twiddlin’.


Some have suggested the designer started from dust eh? All science so far.

BFast, how do you detect if a mutation is "designed" or not? Seems to me that would be the first step.

what an IDiot

Don't forget the BBQ rib theory.  That the intelligent designer used an actual human rib when designing the female class of the species.

No one has yet suggested he used some of Dembski's BBQ sauce to season the rib but I have a feeling he might have done just so.  Most females I've known are very spicey indeed which suggests he used more than a human rib in the mix.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,11:48   

Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 24 2007,11:33)
Even more reason for FTK to do her reading homework -
ID Theory predicts this Future Headline:

Kansas Soccer Mom Saves ID Theorey.

Seattle WA:  The Discovery Institute reported today that an unknown soccer mom from Kansas, known as FTK, has recently succeeded where ID scientists Mike Behe, Dr. Dr. William Dembski and noted autodidact and Full Time Dickweed DaveScot Springer were at a total dead-end and unable to proceeed.

FTK was quoted as saying "It came to me in a flash, as I was lap-dancing one night for some strange horny Englishman."   ID is like a pole.  You can dance all up and down and all around it, but it doesn't go anywhere.  It's just there.

J-Dog, this is the exact type of hard hitting news reporting that could help the super secret project that is unfolding.  Please report to Richard Hughes if you haven't already.

The IDC movement needs fair and balanced reporters just like you.  I'm serious!

Chris

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,12:29   

Quote (HalfMooner @ Oct. 24 2007,03:31)

Sorry to be late to the party, but I just now stopped laughing.  That is the funniest thing I've seen in ages.  Utterly brilliant.  

Question: how much humorous "information" is contained in that image?  It depends on what you've seen before (cough cough) .

I've been reading through the Dembskian corpus, and I keep encountering an equivocation along these lines on whether measuring information does not dependent on communicative context.  I know Ellsberry and Shallit discussed this in their contribution to the Edis book.  Is there something in the information literature that can bring me up to speed on this issue?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,12:36   

Ok, usually I let others here copy and paste the best tidbits from UD but this is so absurd I guess I'm calling dibs on this one:

From some pathetic creobot called "Borne"

 
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It’s like asking why something true is true. Why does 1+1=2? Or, ‘what is life’? No one can answer that on purely mechanical or materialistic terms.


Indeed NO one can answer why 1+1=2.  Every math teacher and philospoher in the world has struggled with this for centuries.  To date NO one has provided a coherent reason why 1+1=2.  

And trying to answer why something is true is a waste of time.  If we say it's true it must be true, otherwise we wouldn't say it.  End of story! 

 
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Truths that cannot and need not be proven but are still true.


Indeed.  It's true because we say it's true.  Go fuck your evidence AND your pathetic level of detail.

 
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Those who persistently require knowledge of the designer don’t understand ID at all. They have not made the first step into the design inference.


And the first step into the design inference is ---- Truth is what we say is truth.  That is all you need to know.

Just read his comments for yourself.  the man is clearly insane  

It makes me laff to think this is what Dr William A Dembski's peers are like.   What a pathetic loser.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,12:54   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Oct. 24 2007,12:36)
Ok, usually I let others here copy and paste the best tidbits from UD but this is so absurd I guess I'm calling dibs on this one:

From some pathetic creobot called "Borne"

   
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It’s like asking why something true is true. Why does 1+1=2? Or, ‘what is life’? No one can answer that on purely mechanical or materialistic terms.



This is scarily close to a quote from the parody science program Look Around You.

 
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Narrator: But what is water? It's a difficult question because water is impossible to describe. One might ask the same about birds. What are birds? We just don't know.


EDIT: for clarity

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,12:55   

"Don't forget the BBQ rib theory.  That the intelligent designer used an actual human rib when designing the female class of the species."

Eve asked Adam, " Honey, do you love me?"
He said, " You know I do.  You're the only women in the world for me."
She replied," Let me count your ribs."

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,19:41   

Tard fight!
 
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Jehu

10/24/2007

4:52 pm

Gods iPod,

You wrote,

   That smells of quote-mining to me.

What the heck is “quote-miniing”? Unless you are trying to argue that the quote is taken out of context the objection makes no sense. Personally, I think that the term “quote mining” is thrown around by people who are completely ignorant of the relevance and importance of an admission by a party opponent.


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,19:47   

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Interesting invocation of Godwin's Law.

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country6925: Love the right hand in air salute to evolution tacked on at the end of the article. Even if the rainforest died off due to lack of rain, it’d still make evolutionary sense.




The fascist evolutionary statement?

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The limit of the forest's resiliency is unknown, Saleska said, adding, "But if you take away enough water for long enough, the trees will die."

Full-tilt Godwin!

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BarryA: Dawkins: “Darwinism Leads to Fascism”

Actually, Dawkins implies just the opposite, that society doesn't have to work according to Darwinian rules, and that "no decent person wants to live in a society that works according to Darwinian laws".

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,19:48   

is it Creobot gibberish day?

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-143873

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CJYman

10/24/2007

7:38 pm
How does the actor act?

Problem specific information, which provides a measure of active information, is front loaded into a programmed set of sufficiently organized laws to arrive at the problem/target/goal. In the end this is a debate of fundamental accident vs. fundamental teleology.

The above account is consistent with a purely naturalistic (albeit not materialistic) account of ID Theory. I, personally, think that science is necessarily naturalistic (utilizing natural law) however not materialistic. IMO, material is only a function of mind acting in accordance with a set of probability waves. Therefore, mind and information are fundamental to material.

Furthermore, the above account of how the actor acts is how all intelligent designs are implemented.
The mind first has a teleological (future goal) target. It then generates problem specific information (active information) in order to solve the problem of how to arrive at the target. It then uses this active information to sufficiently organize (either directly or through programming) laws, matter, and chance processes. The target is then achieved with greater than chance results. NFL Theorem all the way …


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,20:47   

Reading UD is no longer much fun, and is becoming genuinely painful. It's looking like I'm going to need a new pastime:
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Dawkins: “Darwinism Leads to Fascism”
BlarneyA

As irksome as Richard Dawkins can sometimes be, one must nevertheless admire his occasional outbursts of honesty.  Over at First Things  Fr. Ed Oakes refers to an interview  Dawkins gave to an Austrian newspaper, Die Presse (July 30, 2005), in which he said: “No decent person wants to live in a society that works according to Darwinian laws. . . . A Darwinian society would be a fascist state.”

The utterly dishonest headline. The post. The dribbletary that follows. Moronic. Un-fucking-believably moronic.

I have to say, I almost can't stand it any longer.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,21:30   

NEWS FLASH - TINA HAS THE PATHETIC DETAILS BUT SHE'S MAKING DEMBSKI ASK NICELY FOR IT BEFORE SHE IMPARTS THIS EXTRAORDINARY IDC SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGH WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD!

Good GOD people this is the breakthrough they've been promising for years.  Perhaps Tina will prove all your darwinist devil worshippers were wrong all along!


 
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I have worked out a description of the mechanism underlying “Intelligent Design”.William Dembski are you willing enough to consider asking what is is?


you read it HERE first!

My question is will Dembski take Tina's bait?  Oh my I fear I won't be able to sleep a wink tonight in anticipation of Dembski asking Tina nicely to share her breakthrough...

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,21:43   

At last, WAD wants mechanisms. Like the work of Gregor Johann Mendel, the answers have been lying dormant for months. WAD, it's yours for the taking:

I. Biological causality reflects the operation of two basic, complimentary units: Thinks and Poofs. A Think is a mind-like, timeless-sizeless representation of a Thing. A Poof is a hand-like manipulation of matter-energy such that the appropriate Thing is physically instantiated. A Think without a Poof is incapable of interacting with matter/energy, is therefore undetectable, and hence remains a somewhat of a theoretical abstraction. Similarly, a Poof can arise IFF informed by at least one Think...

Given sufficient agentic and material resources, Thinks and Poofs give rise to Things. Balanced Think/Poof calculations give rise to testable empirical predictions arising from the combinatorial mathematics of Thing Theory.  

II. Thinks and Poofs are initiated by units of pure intelligent agency known as Rodins. At the current state of theoretical development the Rodin remains a placeholder concept that has yet to be given empirical grounding. It is unclear, for example, whether there is a single Rodin, two Rodins, or countless Rodins and, if there exist more than one Rodin, whether all Rodins give rise to equally efficacious Think/Poofs. It is also unclear whether multiple Rodins stand in cooperative, competitive, or other relationship to one another, whether Rodins borrow Thinks inferred from the Things originated by other Rodins, whether Rodins have degrees of omniscience, and so forth. However, we have every reason to believe that these questions can be given empirical formulation and resolved through an appropriate combination of laboratory and field investigation.

With the above limitations in mind, we may begin to sketch the moving parts of Intelligent Design, grounding it in a calculus of Rodins, Thinks, Poofs, and Things, and indeed begin to explore the operation of entities in any given instance of Intelligent Design.

IV. Intelligent Design may be said to have occurred when a Rodin gives rise to a Think or Thinks, which in turn invoke(s) a Poof or Poofs in order to originate a Thing.

Rodin-initiated Thinks are mind-like, agentic, timeless-sizeless representations. Poofs do the hand-like work of actually arranging matter/energy to conform to the specification of a given Think, giving rise to a Thing. A Rodin may “choose” to formulate a grand system of interlocking Thinks all apiece, yet implement such a Think-Structure imperceptibly over deep time by issuing Poofs only slowly and sequentially. Alternatively, a Think-Structure may give rise to thousands of simultaneous Poofs, yielding an (only apparently) saltational Thing Structure that instantaneously mirrors the underlying Think Structure. Biological Things that display Irreducible Complexity almost certainly issue from the latter sort of process: a single Rodin exerts its intrinsic intentionality to originates a complex biological Think Structure which is intern effected by means of multiple simultaneous, interlocking Poofs.

(The reader may find it helpful to imagine countless little hands equipped with little minds - I call them "Behes" - issuing from a Rodin or Rodins, swarming over and grasping bits of matter-energy - say, base pairs in a DNA molecule - and manipulating them with special tweezers to form Irreducibly Complex biological Things.)

V. It should be clear from the above that a calculus of Rodins, Thinks, Poofs and a completed, empirical Thing Theory promises to dissolve some of the knottiest problems in biology today. For example, we may now confidently sketch the origins of life on earth: a Rodin or Rodins originated a complex Think-Structure that gave rise to both simultaneous and sequential Poofs that created the first biological Thing, detonating life on earth. All that remains is to supply the details.  

In the future we hope to infer the properties of agentic Rodin or Rodins themselves, by tracing Think-Poof-Thing pathways much as the electrodynamic properties of elementary particles may be inferred from the ephemeral trails left within a cloud chamber. We anticipate that the biology of the 22nd century will be characterized by Rodin simulations (e.g. of Rodin belief-desire), the computational modeling of Biological Think-Structures, the detection and deconstruction of Poof-efficacy at the Think-Thing interface, the simultaneous, coordinated operation of countless Behes, and eventually a completed Thing Theory.  We may also confidently anticipate that a bankrupt Darwinism with truly be a “thing” of the past.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,22:15   

At this point it is important to resurrect Dick Hoppe's Multiple Designer Theory (MDT) (I'm proud to say I played a small role in the discussion from which this came.)  I urge you all to read Dick's post on the Panda's Thumb, and if you are bold, explore ISCID, such as in this thread and this one.  (I was Evan at ISCID, back in the days when I posted under a pseudonym, and I posted as someone trying to push ID advocates to be more specific about ID)

We gave Dembski lots of good advice on this subject long ago: Bill however has taken this considerably further, introducing concepts which should make it easy for anyone to grasp the subject.

[Added in edit]Dick Hoppe is a Panda's Thumb member active in science activism in Ohio.  Dick has thought more specifically about the kinds of things that Dembski is now saying his supporters should think about than any ID advocate ever has, because the IDists purposely, I think, avoid trying to spell out the concrete details of their ideas.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,22:23   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 24 2007,20:47)
Reading UD is no longer much fun, and is becoming genuinely painful. It's looking like I'm going to need a new pastime:
 
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Dawkins: “Darwinism Leads to Fascism”
BlarneyA

As irksome as Richard Dawkins can sometimes be, one must nevertheless admire his occasional outbursts of honesty.  Over at First Things  Fr. Ed Oakes refers to an interview  Dawkins gave to an Austrian newspaper, Die Presse (July 30, 2005), in which he said: “No decent person wants to live in a society that works according to Darwinian laws. . . . A Darwinian society would be a fascist state.”

The utterly dishonest headline. The post. The dribbletary that follows. Moronic. Un-fucking-believably moronic.

I have to say, I almost can't stand it any longer.

Reading that whole thread will give you a stomach ache.  It's difficult for me to imagine people being so completely stupid.  BarryA is a piece of work to be sure.  

Dembski must be very proud to have such a sharp bunch of followers.  Think about it, they represent the cream of the ID crop.  The IDjuts out there who are actually buying the nonsense WAD and the DI are peddling.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,22:44   

I just finished reading the Multiple Designer Theory thread from ISCID from just over five years ago here, primarily among Dick Hoppe, Mike Gene, and me.  Pretty darned interesting, brought back lots of memories and brought up lots of interesting points, especially compared with the stuff that is at UD these days.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,22:57   

Quote (Jkrebs @ Oct. 24 2007,23:44)
I just finished reading the Multiple Designer Theory thread from ISCID from just over five years ago here, primarily among Dick Hoppe, Mike Gene, and me.  Pretty darned interesting, brought back lots of memories and brought up lots of interesting points, especially compared with the stuff that is at UD these days.

Wow. That is some thread.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,23:26   

DaveTard, Telepath:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-143956

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10:57 pm
It could be any of those things, Jack. Obviously you’re not going to change a fish into a mouse in one generation through a retrovirus vector but as Richard Goldschmidt wrote in Material Basis of Evolution (1940; 1982 reprint edition), p. 395

The first bird hatched from a reptilian egg.

This of course won’t make you happy. Your motives are transparent. You want nothing less than an interview with the designer in his lab developing the retrovirus components then followup footage of him in his aircraft dispersing it like a terrorist spreading anthrax. Don’t test my patience.


Dave can sense Jack's motivations. Can he do it for the designer? TWAT.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,23:40   

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P.S. In all seriousness, I think I better leave this sort of thing to you chaps. It's just the word "secret" it gets me so curious. I almost joined the Masons once, but there was a requirement I was unwilling to fulfill. It did not involve spanking.


You wouldn't go along with the lack of spanking?

Never let it be said that you lack the courage of your convictions, Louis.

I knew that you would parse it that way, Arden. I set 'em up, you knock 'em down!

The reason is that Masons have to believe in a higher (supernatural) power. I don't. Ergo I cannot be a Mason.

The lack of spanking was a side issue. No, really. Honest. When I was a lad, and the headmaster was away from the school and I'd been a naughty boy, the punishment was dealt with by Matron. Thus on certain days of the year I was beaten on the backside by a large, matronly woman, called who used a tennis shoe to administer the spanking. She used to tell me I was a very naughty boy whilst she did it too. Ah the halcyon days of youth.*

Nowadays I have to pay upwards of £200 for that sort of treatment.**

Louis

*This is actually true.

**This is not true at all. I have a discount card.***

***I don't actually have a discount card. You get get a spanking with air miles nowadays.****

****Actually, AFAIK you can't. More's the bloody pity.

I grew up around a lot of masons and I was a member of DeMolay, a youth fraternity sponsored by the Lodge.  A lot of good people involved.  I still get bugged about joining the lodge when I am in town and attend a breakfast or some such event.  

I think it is about the only downside I have found to my (non)religious beliefs.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2007,23:57   

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News from the Nanny Filter

Looking at Bornagain77's latest contribution over at UD (all 1217 words) provides some interesting insights by looking at which words have to be disguised to get through his filter. Therein you will find:

do^min^ate
do^min^ant
str^ict

And what is with his multiple commas?  Like ",,," and ",,".  Some sort of keyboarding punctuation dyslexia?

I think he would be better served by a filter that edits out everything after "bornagain77".  Less tedious to the readers and less embarassing to the author.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2007,06:50   

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jerry: The nationalism is what separates [fascism] from communism though sometimes I fail to see the difference.

Let me help you by pointing out a significant difference in ideology. Communism asserts absolute equality. Fascism asserts absolute inequality. Both claims are myths, of course.



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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2007,08:03   

RB, that was wonderful.  Thanks.

(I particulary liked the Rodins.)

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2007,09:04   

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At last, WAD wants mechanisms. Like the work of Gregor Johann Mendel, the answers have been lying dormant for months. WAD, it's yours for the taking:

II. Thinks and Poofs are initiated by units of pure intelligent agency known as Rodins.

Nice try, but you have completely ignored the most important basic element in the universe, Cheesy Poofs.

We must start with the premise that CPs are the building block of the universe, and since we know that gravity is the strongest force in the universe, thanks to noted physicist David Scott Springer's work in this area, we must account for CPs in any formulation of ID theory.  

If Cheesy Poof Fragments (CPF) can overcome the HUGE forces of gravity to appear, miraculously, accross the space-time continuum, on a white T-Shirt, clearly they indicate that the Designer is all powerful and inter-acting in the real World.

Please make sure that Dr. Dembksi is fully appraised of this in your future communication with him.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2007,09:11   

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jerry: The nationalism is what separates [fascism] from communism though sometimes I fail to see the difference.

Let me help you by pointing out a significant difference in ideology. Communism asserts absolute equality. Fascism asserts absolute inequality. Both claims are myths, of course.


In fascism, man exploits man. In communism, it's exactly the opposite.

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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2007,09:23   

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In fascism, man exploits man. In communism, it's exactly the opposite.


Exploits man exploits?

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2007,10:11   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 25 2007,09:11)
       
Quote (Zachriel @ Oct. 25 2007,06:50)
       
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jerry: The nationalism is what separates [fascism] from communism though sometimes I fail to see the difference.

Let me help you by pointing out a significant difference in ideology. Communism asserts absolute equality. Fascism asserts absolute inequality. Both claims are myths, of course.


In fascism, man exploits man. In communism, it's exactly the opposite.

Anytime you base a political philosophy on a myth, especially when combined with the belief that the ends justify the means, it can lead to severe societal distortions and oppression.



An interesting example of egalitarian extremism is Kurt Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron.

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