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dhogaza Posts: 525 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,07:51    Quote I think we should attack ID from this standpoint, as it has obviously caused an amoral act, and therefore is leading to the downfall of society. You're forgetting that Sinning For Jesus is the shortest path to heaven.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,07:57    Given how mean Davetard is to JAD, I wonder what kind of fireworks we'll see if Davetard ever figures out that he and his peers are being played by Dembski.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,08:29    Quote (tacitus @ July 05 2006,00:52) His main claims to fame are his infowars.com web site, his arrest for disturbing the peace while refusing to be fingerprinted for his driver's license, and for sneaking into the elistist Bohemian Grove and taking some very shaky and indistinct footage of the "pagan rituals" being performed there. Oh, him!  The story of the Bohemian Grove escapade is told by Jon Ronson in his book Them: Adventure with Extremists.  A great book, in which Ronson meets several nutters, and Denis Healey, who's responsible for setting up the secret conspiracy that really rules the world. Bob -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,08:51    Quote (guthrie @ July 05 2006,08:03) Then theres this paper: cached from google Which appears to be a pukka science paper, but I cannot see how it got past peer review.  With statements like: ... It's not in a good journal: I checked the impact factor, and it's towards the bottom of the pile in cell biology (124th out of 153 journals). Bob -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,09:41    Quote (stevestory @ July 05 2006,12:28) In light of Keithseses' post, I'm restating my previous post:     Quote From Alex Jones to Ann Coulter to Bill Dembski, there's really a lot of money to be made through lying to idiots Extreme Polymaths. I believe the term you are looking for is Polytard -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,09:48    maybe it was Omnitard.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,09:52    Quote (stevestory @ July 05 2006,14:48) maybe it was Omnitard. Omnitard in his unitard... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

tacitus Posts: 118 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,12:53    Quote (Bob O'H @ July 05 2006,13:29) Quote (tacitus @ July 05 2006,00:52) His main claims to fame are his infowars.com web site, his arrest for disturbing the peace while refusing to be fingerprinted for his driver's license, and for sneaking into the elistist Bohemian Grove and taking some very shaky and indistinct footage of the "pagan rituals" being performed there. Oh, him!  The story of the Bohemian Grove escapade is told by Jon Ronson in his book Them: Adventure with Extremists.  A great book, in which Ronson meets several nutters, and Denis Healey, who's responsible for setting up the secret conspiracy that really rules the world. Bob Really? Old Denis Healey?  Well I never!  (Haven't heard that name in a long while, though I see he's still with us, approaching his 89th birthday). But I thought it was the shape-shifting aliens masquerading as the British Royal Family who were behind it all... (David Icke puts Alex Jones to shame when it comes to conspiracy theories, though he doesn't have the same wild fire-in-the-eyes look that Jones is so good at.)

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,13:23    Quote David Icke puts Alex Jones to shame Is David Icke the guy who said that Lizard people secretly rule the world?

Aardvark Posts: 134 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,13:33    Quote (GCT @ July 05 2006,07:35) http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1284#comments   Quote 3.  Dave, Not to hound you with this…. but write a book! Comment by Doug — July 3, 2006 @ 3:44 pm 4.  I agree with Doug. You should write a book. I’m excited that Mike Gene is writing a book, but I think Dave Scott has just as much to offer. Comment by Benton — July 3, 2006 @ 10:09 pm Yes, DaveTard, write a book.  Bwaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.  He can write a book that explains how gravity is the strongest force in the universe, how the evil ACLU used jury nullification to fleece the Dover school system, how Marines are being kept from prayer, how he violates SLOT every time he thinks, how Scientific American is the greatest journal of all and how he has become the expert of all by reading it, how engineers are much more knowledgable about biology than biologists, how homos and the ACLU are ruining this country, etc.  Any other ideas? How can they expect DaveScot to write a book when he's single-handedly running ID's one-and-only research project from his basement?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,14:34    David Limbaugh Worshipper BarryA writes: Quote So I would say that the answer to your question must always be: “We cannot be sure.” The design inference is currently the best explanation of the data given our present knowledge. But that conclusion, like all scientific conclusions, is contingent. It is not – indeed cannot be –impregnable to future discoveries. Comment by BarryA — July 4, 2006 @ 1:39 pm This is actually not too far from the truth. It's what lots of scientists believed about 150 years ago. Lemme rewrite it, to bring it into the modern era: Quote So I would say that the answer to your question must always be: “We cannot be sure.” The design inference is currently used to be the best explanation of the data given our present old, archaic knowledge. But that conclusion, like all scientific conclusions, is was contingent. It is was not – indeed cannot be could not have been –impregnable to future discoveries. Comment by BarryA — July 4, 2006

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,14:42    Quote Is David Icke the guy who said that Lizard people secretly rule the world? He certainly is.  You should also check out his very convincing theories about The Matrix and   The Illuminati winning the space race. I'll bet the Soviets were pissed they came in third. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

dhogaza Posts: 525 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,15:43    Quote Listen, I know I was one of the first people to spout off about more science here, but um, would it be too much if we could do it in english? I know you guys are all miles ahead of me, but my science teachers were never as interesting as my english teachers. (esp. Ms. O’Bannon who also had really great hair! In fact, let’s be nice and just say my science teachers were reeeeaaaalllllyyyy boring. Copying notes from the board written by a million year old bald guy just didn’t do it for me. I got A’s, but I don’t really know how. Am I the only person who wonders if JanieBelle is really what she claims to be?  I'm starting to think someone's just having fun...

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,15:50    I think she's the real deal. Visit her blog. Looks like the blog of a 17 yro girl. But I don't know. I don't see anything out of the ordinary, really.

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,15:54    Quote (dhogaza @ July 05 2006,20:43) Quote Listen, I know I was one of the first people to spout off about more science here, but um, would it be too much if we could do it in english? I know you guys are all miles ahead of me, but my science teachers were never as interesting as my english teachers. (esp. Ms. O’Bannon who also had really great hair! In fact, let’s be nice and just say my science teachers were reeeeaaaalllllyyyy boring. Copying notes from the board written by a million year old bald guy just didn’t do it for me. I got A’s, but I don’t really know how. Am I the only person who wonders if JanieBelle is really what she claims to be?  I'm starting to think someone's just having fun... Not at all. Posts on PT are indicating that good school level science results no longer indicate a clear understanding in the subject.

plasmasnake23 Posts: 42 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,16:31    Shows you how much DT knows if he thinks that SciAm is the best place to get the latest in science discoveries. My experience has been that professional conferences win hands down, followed by the professional literature, followed by popular literature. Then again I'm not an auto-didact so what do I know.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,16:57    If he's read SciAm for 30 years, and at the end of that time he thinks that writing a sentence breaks the SLoT, then either 30 years of SciAm does not convey a basic science education, or Davetard has low reading comprehension, or both. Wouldn't you love to give those UD idiots a freshman biology final, and see how they do? Not a single guy over there would pass.

mcc Posts: 110 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,18:09    So this one seems bizarre to me even by Dembski standards Quote    A. How can we be sure we won’t make some discovery in the future that will invalidate the design inference?    B. How can we be sure we’ve eliminated all possible naturalistic causes, particularly since we have so few details of what happened so long ago when no one was around? Answer: We can be sure if we are dealing with the right kind of design, a perfect architecture to communicate design! The right kind of design will negate objections raised by questions A and B. So the solution to the two most crucial flaws in Dembski's explanatory filter is... to change the subject. I see. Now how, exactly, does he hope to wish away the uselessness of an eliminative test by proposing an entirely separate positive test? Things just get weirder from there, starting with Quote I must admit at first, A and B seemed impossible for finite humans like us to answer. I mean, after all, would we not have to be All-Knowing to answer such questions? And then going on where he explains away the "when you apply the explanatory filter, how do you know that you're right when you say no law can generate the output?" by explaining "because no law could generate the output". Uhh... He then explains that his bald assertion that it is impossible life could evolve is an example of "proof by contradiction". He never does explain his mysterious "it screams design" test from the beginning, that I noticed. Pity. Or maybe it was meant to be taken literally, i.e. if you hold it up to your ear and you hear it screaming the English word "design", then it was designed?

mcc Posts: 110 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,18:14    Quote (Bob O'H @ July 05 2006,13:29) [quote=tacitus,July 05 2006,00:52]...The story of the Bohemian Grove escapade is told by Jon Ronson in his book Them: Adventure with Extremists.  A great book, in which Ronson meets several nutters, and Denis Healey, who's responsible for setting up the secret conspiracy that really rules the world... That is the guy who wrote "The Men who Stare at Goats", right? I read that one and really liked it, I guess I should read Adventures with Extremists also...

guthrie Posts: 696 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,21:35    Denis Healey?  Wasn't he a minister in the Thatcher junta?  Doesnt strike me as being a likely candidate for running the world. MCC, that stuff about the design filter made no sense to me either, my brain just couldnt cope with it.

GCT Posts: 1001 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,03:22    http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1290#comment-46631 Quote As a Christian I can reasonably believe that information does not require a physical/material medium. Is it coincidence that Shannon’s information system is a three-part system and the Christian God is a triune God (though not one of “parts,” just to be clear on that.) Otoh, it’s a material world, or so the saying goes. Of course, I believe in revelation. So how does God impart information to human minds? Ah well, I certainly would not accept it on scientific faith that “Information is not a disembodied abstract entity; it is always tied to a physical representation.” Comment by Mung — July 5, 2006 @ 5:23 pm I thought they were going to nix the religion talk?  Oh well.  But, I do have to say, I love the talk about how the triune god matches the triune Shannon information system.  Next they'll be talking about how the triune god shows up in the "fact" that there are 3 states of matter. Then, a couple comments down, I learned that ether really does exist, because Michelson-Morley didn't do squat (according to the greatest of scientific minds Avocationist)... Quote ” It seems to me that information cannot be stored or transmitted without some material medium involved in the process.” That is why the concept of an ether is making a comeback. There has to be a subtle field from God to matter. I had liked the idea in a new-agey kind of way, but on a forum was told that an experiment had done away with the ether idea. With great interest, I googled the Mitchelson-Morley experiment. Interesting read, but never did I think that this rather crude, tho clever, experiment actually had the capacity to address the kind of ether that we require. According to a book I’ve got, physicist John Bell thought the primary substance of the universe was nonlocal (existing everywhere). And that David Bohm thought an invisible field connects all matter and events in the universe. Comment by avocationist — July 5, 2006 @ 8:15 pm Yeah, ether is making a comeback, right.  I hear bellbottoms are making a comeback too.

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,04:38    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 05 2006,12:31) Funny that DT is always name dropping Scientific American to give himself legitimacy, since I'll bet the SciAm editorial board thinks Intelligent Design is a load of shit.   They do indeed: http://www.sciam.com/article....B7FFE9F -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,05:44    Quote (keiths @ July 06 2006,09:38) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 05 2006,12:31) Funny that DT is always name dropping Scientific American to give himself legitimacy, since I'll bet the SciAm editorial board thinks Intelligent Design is a load of shit.   They do indeed: http://www.sciam.com/article....B7FFE9F Hehe. from the article Quote Moreover, we shamefully mistreated the Intelligent Design (ID) theorists by lumping them in with creationists. Creationists believe that God designed all life, and that's a somewhat religious idea. But ID theorists think that at unspecified times some unnamed superpowerful entity designed life, or maybe just some species, or maybe just some of the stuff in cells. That's what makes ID a superior scientific theory: it doesn't get bogged down in details. Hoisted by his own Davetard. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,07:16    Quote (guthrie @ July 06 2006,02:35) Denis Healey?  Wasn't he a minister in the Thatcher junta?  Doesnt strike me as being a likely candidate for running the world. No, Healey was on the other side.  Think big eyebrows. Bob -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

guthrie Posts: 696 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,07:23    Quote (GCT @ July 06 2006,08:22)  Next they'll be talking about how the triune god shows up in the "fact" that there are 3 states of matter. I thought we were up to 5 or 6 states of matter. Solid, liquid, gas, plasma, Bose-einstein condensate, and I think theres a new one that i cannot remember.   So does that mean that Hinduism is the one true faith?

GCT Posts: 1001 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,07:31    Quote (guthrie @ July 06 2006,12:23) Quote (GCT @ July 06 2006,08:22)  Next they'll be talking about how the triune god shows up in the "fact" that there are 3 states of matter. I thought we were up to 5 or 6 states of matter. Solid, liquid, gas, plasma, Bose-einstein condensate, and I think theres a new one that i cannot remember.   So does that mean that Hinduism is the one true faith? Hence the scare quotes. How many of the posters at UD know that though?  Probably very few of them. Also, I had a creobot making that argument not too long ago.  He also pointed out how time is triune (past, present, future) how we live in a three dimensional universe, etc.  It made me laugh.

GCT Posts: 1001 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,07:42    http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1283#comment-46749 Quote Bill will comment whenever he feels like it and comments by him are clearly identified by his name. He’s just quite busy. In fact at one point he was going to close this blog because it was too time-consuming but I convinced him to turn administration of the blog over to trusted members. Comment by Patrick — July 6, 2006 @ 11:25 am Well, if this is true and Patrick is responsible I feel that we all owe him a giant round of applause and our thanks. Thank you Patrick for keeping the inanity that we all love to laugh at alive.

guthrie Posts: 696 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,07:45    Quote (Bob O'H @ July 06 2006,12:16) Quote (guthrie @ July 06 2006,02:35) Denis Healey?  Wasn't he a minister in the Thatcher junta?  Doesnt strike me as being a likely candidate for running the world. No, Healey was on the other side.  Think big eyebrows. Bob ooops, your right.  ahh well.  My only excuse is that I was a child in the 80's.   So in that case, how come he was trying to take over the world?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,08:08    Quote (guthrie @ July 06 2006,13:23) Quote (GCT @ July 06 2006,08:22) Next they'll be talking about how the triune god shows up in the "fact" that there are 3 states of matter. I thought we were up to 5 or 6 states of matter. Solid, liquid, gas, plasma, Bose-einstein condensate, and I think theres a new one that i cannot remember.   So does that mean that Hinduism is the one true faith? What you call a state of matter vs a phase of matter is really not a clearly delineated concept. It's probably best to just think of them all as phases of matter, with some phases being very different from each other, such as plasma and bose-einstein condensate, and some phases being quite similar, such as the different phases of ice.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,09:38    Quote (guthrie @ July 06 2006,12:45) Quote (Bob O'H @ July 06 2006,12:16) Quote (guthrie @ July 06 2006,02:35) Denis Healey?  Wasn't he a minister in the Thatcher junta?  Doesnt strike me as being a likely candidate for running the world. No, Healey was on the other side.  Think big eyebrows. Bob ooops, your right.  ahh well.  My only excuse is that I was a child in the 80's.   So in that case, how come he was trying to take over the world? Well he wasn't having much success at the ballot box.  :-) He was a founder of the Bilderberg group, which is seen as a big conspiracy to rule the world. Bob -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

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