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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,14:44   

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For example, the estimate of the date for the writing of the gospel of John is less than 1/200.


Hey, we know the author, exact year and place of writing of Dianetics, much more precisely than the Gospel of John. Obviously this proves that Scientology is The One True Faith.

Praise Xenu!

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guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,15:19   

Quote (Altabin @ Sep. 28 2007,08:32)
St Albertus Magnus devoted an entire book to means of procuring abortions, way back in the 13th century (ostensibly for expelling dead foetuses - but they could also be used without sin before the moment of "quickening" - something I like to remind some of my more hyper-Catholic friends).  But it's hardly a secret that their critique of "Darwinism" is profoundly unhistorical....

Which particular book have you in mind?  I'm in the process of trying to find translations, for my alchemical researches, and I havn't come across one on abortion.  

P.S.  At least Alchemy involved some experimentation unlike ID.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,15:29   

Bornagain Tardagain:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-139270

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bornagain77

09/28/2007

3:13 pm
If the evidence is so overwhelming for Darwinism why should they worry at all???? Why can’t they just naturally select and mutate a bacteria into another type of bacteria or even phylum, and get the whole debate over with….
Oh yeah that right… No concrete proof of evolution is just one of the few minor problems they are working on…..But rest assured Darwinism is true!!!!!….Don’t dare question it boy or you career is over buddy…Toe that line!!!!! OR ELSE!!!!!


Yes, that old artificial natural selection...


also "Toe that line" is rubbish.

"T.O.E. that line" - did you see what I did there?

*leans back in chair*

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,16:30   

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Futility 101
Paul Nelson

...If you find yourself moving books in bookstores, so that people won’t see them, or petitioning to reassign certain books in the LC system, or pulling webpages so that your university won’t be embarrassed, or drafting yet another tedious resolution…

...or banning commenters left and right, so you won't be embarrassed by their rational observations, or deleting your own blog posts, so you won't be embarrassed by your own rash or inconsistent conduct, or issuing notpologies for outbursts of adolescent petulance, so you'll have one last opportunity to display that petulance...

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

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djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,16:48   

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bornagain77

09/28/2007

3:06 pm
I agree with you Paul,
Not all experiments are carried out in a laboratory… Not all knowledge is gained from a pen and paper…case in point…

This is one of my favorite miracles that I’ve seen so far in my life.
In March of 1989, I was living in Lancaster, California. This was right after I had gotten out of the military, and right after the Lord had revealed the fact that He is real to me. I was staying in a house, renting a room. One evening, one of my house mates, who happened to be a Christian also, confided in me that he was depressed. He told me he had been depressed for a long time, and did not know if he would ever get better. Well, since I was a brand new Christian, I got excited. I saw an opportunity for God to move. In the unrestrained enthusiasm of a man who has finally seen the light that God is indeed real, I told him, “Hey man! This is something we can pray about”. So we bowed our heads and prayed for his depression. Shoot, we prayed for all the people who are suffering from depression in the whole world. We prayed that God would touch everyone that instant. We prayed as we thought the Bible would have us pray. “Well”, he said to me, after we finished praying, “I don’t feel any different”. Right after that, on television, on the Christian Station, TBN, there was a group talking. One of the ladies in the group said “Excuse me, if you don’t mind, but I really feel that we need to pray for depression at this very moment”; They joined their hands, began praying for depression, asking Jesus to touch and heal everyone. Then, after they finished praying, my friend tells me that he still feels depressed. Well, sensing that God was up to something, I wasn’t about to let this go, So trying the best I could, in my own way, to cheer him up, I then started to sing, dance and clown around, trying to cheer my friend up. I was singing, dancing and clowning around to the children’s song “What makes that little old ant think he can move that rubber tree plant …. He’s got high hopes, He’s got high apple pie in the sky hopes….” “Well”, my friend said, after I was all done with my clowning around, “I still don’t feel any different”. Then I said, “Well, maybe a comedy on television will cheer you up”. I switched the channel to one of the major networks, and ALF was on. A few seconds after we started watching ALF, ALF started to sing and dance to that same exact song I had just finished singing. You see, ALF had an ant farm and he loved that ant farm. BUT sadly, he had left his ant farm on the windowsill, in the sun, and ally kills his ants. ALF was stunned by his mistake and started weeping. He said he had never been so depressed; and, he didn’t think he would ever get over his ants. Then the father figure, on the T.V. show, comes in and sees ALF weeping. He said ” ALF I know that you’re depressed; I know you think this can never get any better; BUT, tomorrow is going to be a little better; the day after that will be a little better; the day after that a little better, and when it is all said and done, everything is going to be…BETTER! Well, both my friend and I were completely amazed. I even ended up going down the street that evening, stopping complete strangers on the street, trying to tell them I had just seen a miracle, on the T.V. show ALF, with ants and singing and dancing. One of the strangers tried to assure me that he believed me, but I still wonder if he was just placating me as I related some of the “strange” singing and dancing parts of the miracle to him. The best thing about the whole situation was three days later when my friend came up to me and said, “MAN, I FEEL GOOD, I don’t remember the last time I’ve felt this good.” And that my friends is the end of my Alf Miracle story. God does indeed move in mysterious ways.


Science all the way.

  
blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,17:04   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 28 2007,14:44)
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For example, the estimate of the date for the writing of the gospel of John is less than 1/200.


Hey, we know the author, exact year and place of writing of Dianetics, much more precisely than the Gospel of John. Obviously this proves that Scientology is The One True Faith.

Praise Xenu!

You have spoken what should not be spoken!  My body thetans say I must kill you now.

Praise Xenu!

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CCP



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,17:26   

Have you ever been to Lancaster CA?
ALF may well have seemed like a miracle there.

(Actually, the real miracle of Lancaster is that it produced both Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, but I'd expect BA77 is more familiar with ALF.)

  
JAM



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,17:37   

bornagain77:
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So trying the best I could, in my own way, to cheer him up, I then started to sing, dance and clown around, trying to cheer my friend up. I was singing, dancing and clowning around to the children’s song “What makes that little old ant think he can move that rubber tree plant …. He’s got high hopes, He’s got high apple pie in the sky hopes….” “Well”, my friend said, after I was all done with my clowning around, “I still don’t feel any different”.

Damn, his friend must have been really depressed. Any normal person would feel very different after being subjected to that--and it probably was sandwiched between a couple of 2000-word sentences, too.

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,17:45   

Quote (JAM @ Sep. 28 2007,15:37)
bornagain77:
 
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So trying the best I could, in my own way, to cheer him up, I then started to sing, dance and clown around, trying to cheer my friend up. I was singing, dancing and clowning around to the children’s song “What makes that little old ant think he can move that rubber tree plant …. He’s got high hopes, He’s got high apple pie in the sky hopes….” “Well”, my friend said, after I was all done with my clowning around, “I still don’t feel any different”.

Damn, his friend must have been really depressed. Any normal person would feel very different after being subjected to that--and it probably was sandwiched between a couple of 2000-word sentences, too.


"I should cheer up.  There are lots of people less fortunate than me.  My housemate bornagain77, for example, is completely batshit."

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,17:54   

Quote (djmullen @ Sep. 28 2007,17:48)
[quote]4

bornagain77

09/28/2007

3:06 pm
I agree with you Paul,
Not all experiments are carried out in a laboratory… Not all knowledge is gained from a pen and paper…case in point…

This is one of my favorite miracles that I’ve seen so far in my life.
In March of 1989, I was living in Lancaster, California....[snipped for all our sakes]

Wait...

Bornagain77 = Here0isreal?

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,17:57   

Quote (GCT @ Sep. 28 2007,17:54)
[quote=djmullen,Sep. 28 2007,17:48]
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4

bornagain77

09/28/2007

3:06 pm
I agree with you Paul,
Not all experiments are carried out in a laboratory… Not all knowledge is gained from a pen and paper…case in point…

This is one of my favorite miracles that I’ve seen so far in my life.
In March of 1989, I was living in Lancaster, California....[snipped for all our sakes]

Wait...

Bornagain77 = Here0isreal?

hmm. Has Hero ever said "adult" as Bornagain is behind a netnanny type filter.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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Lufeld



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,19:42   

SPARC has done some fine new research:
Science or religion?

But...,but..., but I tought its all about science. Isnt it?
 :O

  
Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,20:03   

Most of the time when I go to UD I still get the following:

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This blog is currently undergoing maintenance. Please try back later. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Plugin provided by Taragana


What the hell?  Everybody else seems to get Tard by the bucketful.   For a few clicks it worked, but it's still down most of the time.  Anybody with a technical suggestion want to suggest a solution for me?

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,20:32   

Quote (djmullen @ Sep. 28 2007,17:48)
 
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...I had just seen a miracle, on the T.V. show ALF, with ants and singing and dancing. One of the strangers tried to assure me that he believed me, but I still wonder if he was just placating me as I related some of the “strange” singing and dancing parts of the miracle to him...


Science all the way.

That's not the end of the miracle. I read Bornagain77's story, felt an upwelling of nausea, and just like that went *RALF* on my shoes.

Ralf rhymes with Alf. See?

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
Touchstone



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,20:59   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Sep. 28 2007,20:03)
Most of the time when I go to UD I still get the following:

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This blog is currently undergoing maintenance. Please try back later. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Plugin provided by Taragana


What the hell?  Everybody else seems to get Tard by the bucketful.   For a few clicks it worked, but it's still down most of the time.  Anybody with a technical suggestion want to suggest a solution for me?

Hermagoras,

Dunno what your whole history is with UD, but maybe they've blocked a nailed IP address for you? One way to check is to use an anonymous proxy and see what happens when you visit UD that way.

Try going to:

http://www.htmlblock.co.uk/anon.php

And enter "http://uncommondescent.com", and it will navigate to UD, anonymously (different, untrackable IP than you normally reveal with your machine). If you can see the UD site dispayed normally with this method (the proxy will have an advertising/control panel at the top), then this would suggest that you've been a bad enough boy that someone at UD is trying to keep you from even *reading* their stuff, let alone posting there.

Just something to try.

-TS

(I've not seen and "downtime" from UD in the past week, fwiw)

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,21:14   

Over at TT, Gil Dodgen excretes a prose pellet that would make Denyse proud:
 
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I'll be seeing you at the Biola debate. I'm the guy who writes computer programs with long fingers that move very quickly over a piano keyboard.


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Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,21:34   

Quote (Touchstone @ Sep. 28 2007,20:59)
Quote (Hermagoras @ Sep. 28 2007,20:03)
Most of the time when I go to UD I still get the following:

 
Quote
This blog is currently undergoing maintenance. Please try back later. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Plugin provided by Taragana


What the hell?  Everybody else seems to get Tard by the bucketful.   For a few clicks it worked, but it's still down most of the time.  Anybody with a technical suggestion want to suggest a solution for me?

Hermagoras,

Dunno what your whole history is with UD, but maybe they've blocked a nailed IP address for you? One way to check is to use an anonymous proxy and see what happens when you visit UD that way.

Try going to:

http://www.htmlblock.co.uk/anon.php

And enter "http://uncommondescent.com", and it will navigate to UD, anonymously (different, untrackable IP than you normally reveal with your machine). If you can see the UD site dispayed normally with this method (the proxy will have an advertising/control panel at the top), then this would suggest that you've been a bad enough boy that someone at UD is trying to keep you from even *reading* their stuff, let alone posting there.

Just something to try.

-TS

(I've not seen and "downtime" from UD in the past week, fwiw)

I'll be damned.  Thanks!

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Altabin



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,21:49   

johnnyb:
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Paul –

I can see a day where in fact the main center of Academia is outside of the university, and in fact am hoping to work towards that over the next year.


Translation: I am flunking out of community college.

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Altabin



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,21:50   

Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 29 2007,00:45)
Quote (JAM @ Sep. 28 2007,15:37)
bornagain77:
   
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So trying the best I could, in my own way, to cheer him up, I then started to sing, dance and clown around, trying to cheer my friend up. I was singing, dancing and clowning around to the children’s song “What makes that little old ant think he can move that rubber tree plant …. He’s got high hopes, He’s got high apple pie in the sky hopes….” “Well”, my friend said, after I was all done with my clowning around, “I still don’t feel any different”.

Damn, his friend must have been really depressed. Any normal person would feel very different after being subjected to that--and it probably was sandwiched between a couple of 2000-word sentences, too.


"I should cheer up.  There are lots of people less fortunate than me.  My housemate bornagain77, for example, is completely batshit."

ROFLMAO!!!1!!largestknownmersenneprime!!!

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dochocson



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2007,23:07   

Dammit, JohnW, I just blew diet Coke out my nose!

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All bleeding stops...eventually.

  
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2007,01:41   

OK, which one of you is lotf?
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lotf

09/28/2007

3:09 am

Tard Alert!

I have to admit as a non christian (though a believer in a higher power) but supporter of ID I am seeeing more and more references to christianity here and it’s beginning to put me off. I assumed my religion would not be an issue in the science of ID but I am worried it might be.

(and it gets better further down)

Bob
EDIT: Oh, yeah.  that's what lotf stands for.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2007,02:54   

Quote (Altabin @ Sep. 28 2007,22:49)
johnnyb:
 
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Paul –

I can see a day where in fact the main center of Academia is outside of the university, and in fact am hoping to work towards that over the next year.


Translation: I am flunking out of community college.

:p

   
Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2007,04:30   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 28 2007,20:41)
OK, which one of you is lotf?
   
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18

lotf

09/28/2007

3:09 am

Tard Alert!

I have to admit as a non christian (though a believer in a higher power) but supporter of ID I am seeeing more and more references to christianity here and it’s beginning to put me off. I assumed my religion would not be an issue in the science of ID but I am worried it might be.

(and it gets better further down)

Bob
EDIT: Oh, yeah.  that's what lotf stands for.

 
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This may be one of the few blogs a Luciferian like myself can converse with Christians without rancour.


I dunno. I suspect that may be the last comment we see from  lotf.

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2007,06:27   

Uncommonly Denyse "reviews" a book:
   
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Book review: Science’s Blind Spot: Making sense of Darwin’s devout
O'Leary

When I first encountered Biola adjunct prof Cornelius G. Hunter’s Science’s Blind Spot: The Unseen Religion of Scientific Naturalism (Grand Rapids, MI: Brazos Press, 2007), I was intrigued by the possibility that it might help me understand the people who want to destroy the careers of anyone who doubts that Darwinian evolution can produce mind from mud, and ultimately you from goo...

Denyse needs to commune with her dictionary, particularly the definition of "review."

re·view

American Heritage:

4. To write or give a critical report on (a new work or performance, for example).

Uncommonly Denyse:

1. To write or give a fawning, favorable summary of (a work supportive of one's own bonehead position, for example).

Here (and on her blog) Denyse recapitulates the main points of Hunter's book, providing lengthy quotes bridged by brief (often one-sentence) summary passages. Period. Absent from her "review": critical appraisal (friendly or otherwise) of the writing, organization, content, strength of argument, or context of the book. Not a word.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2007,12:18   

Denyse
   
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I fear it is somewhat like trying to understand the jihadis. Friends have told me that, to understand jihadis, I must try, at least briefly, to see the world as they do. Similarly, to understand Darwin's most committed followers, I must undergo a similar mental exercise.

Not quite.  To understand the jihadis you must enter a religious state of mind somewhat like your own, only with some real oppression behind it to fill your mind with hatred, fear, rage, embarassment and violence.

To understand "Darwin's most committed followers", on the other hand, you must join the reality based world.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2007,17:42   

I just had a thought- doesn't the way that UD and DS and ID etc keep repeating themselves demonstrate the truth of Nietzches eternal recurrence?

After all, they keep coming up with the same old rubbish, round, and round, and round again.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2007,23:43   

Oh Happy day!


DaveTard posts an article on "expelled" from World Net Daily!!!!!11111oneoneone

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....allowed

WND, the agnostics choice for Hard Science News...

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2007,23:55   

Davetard and WingNutDaily deserve each other.

   
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2007,02:14   

Another newbie enters the pit:  
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Yeah, as if scientists were more dogmatics than you proponents of intelligent design.
As for the method use to obtain interviews for people as Myers…
Two thumbs down for Ben Stein.

Later, in replying to the usual tard, he comes out with this nice bit of understatement:
 
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I’m not involved in Darwinism, by the way. Darwin’s theory don’t make any use of the works of, say, Mendel, and it’s quite a flaw in it.


Eventually, The Tard Himself appears:
 
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P.P.S. If I read any more snotty condescending crap from you it’ll be your last comment here.

Start warming up the banninator button!

Bob

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2007,08:03   

Granville waxes stupid:
 
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Design at many levels
Granville Sewell

...Those who want to avoid the obvious conclusions from fine-tuning argue that there must be a large number of other universes with the same laws, but random values for the physical constants, and one was bound to get the values right. But even this truly unscientific hypothesis fails to address the question of why the basic laws of physics and mathematics are what they are. The assumption seems to be that the fundamental laws of mathematics, and even of physics, could not have been different and therefore need no explanation.

Don't these guys read anything?

The many worlds hypothesis has been proposed as a solution to fine tuning precisely because it postulates that physical laws (and constants) may vary from universe to universe. Lee Smolin has suggested a selectionist twist to the generation of laws that favor sentient life.  

I propose that WAD's blog be renamed "Tnecsed Nommocnu."

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
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