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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2006,09:34   

Oh dear:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1324#comment-48208

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Not all brilliant men are skirt chasers of course but…

There’s a lot more to it than what the author suggested. The temptations are greater for brilliant men. A lot of women are very attracted to smart men regardless of wealth, power, or physical good looks. They don’t necessarily want to wed but they do want them for the father of their children. That drive in women would probably be the major factor. Monogamy for humans is a social convention not a biological imperative. Polygamy for men is a biological imperative. Look at the setup - men produce millions of gametes fresh every day for most of their lives. Women are born with a fixed number of gametes of limited shelf life. Clearly two different reproductive strategies set in opposition are in play there. But even given that women have a biological imperative to attract a keep a single mate she doesn’t have a biological imperative to be sexually monogamous with him.

At any rate, what I described above should work to cause allelic evolution to favor high intelligence in humans. And remember, when it comes to the science of evolution, should is the same as does.

Comment by DaveScot — July 16, 2006 @ 9:48 am



Oh Dave! Sire my brood of tardlings. If there was ever a person not qualified to talk about such things...

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2006,09:39   

BWAWAWAWA!

TARD-FIGHT!

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1324#comment-48215

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“A lot of women are very attracted to smart men regardless of wealth, power, or physical good looks. They don’t necessarily want to wed but they do want them for the father of their children.”

Huh? I don’t know whose this idea is, but there is a barking great hole in it: People who have affairs rarely want children to come of them. I hardly need enumerate the reasons why that is so, but for women such reasons have included - in historical times for which we really have information -extreme poverty, divorce, unmarriageability, induced abortion, infanticide, and a shameful death by stoning.

Of course, we could always default to Darwinian storytelling about Pleistocene cave guys and gals who “must have” or “would have” thought, said, or done this or that.

Well, “must have” and “would have” never caught the fish, right?

The only humans of whom we have any real knowledge are the modern ones, and they KNOW why they rarely want their affairs to end with a bun in the oven.

Women who want a bunch of kids typically get married to one stable guy who owns land and/or works for a living - and they don’t fool around. They get involved with a religion that promotes “family values”. They know their rights and make sure the guy knows his duties. If he doesn’t, the priest or witch doctor, or whoever is happy to explain them.

cheers,

I suggest you do some googling before going off half cocked next time. Human history stretches back millions of years and you are evidently running on about your own anecdotal experience and some knowledge of the most recent eyeblink of human history where social custom made monogamy a more expected behavior. My anecdotal experience is far different from yours but that’s neither here nor there when it comes to monogamy in the human species. Something’s barking alright but it wasn’t me. -ds

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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2006,09:46   

wow, Denyse is as brilliant as she is pretty.


   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2006,09:51   

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 16 2006,14:34)
Oh dear:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1324#comment-48208

 
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Not all brilliant men are skirt chasers of course but…

There’s a lot more to it than what the author suggested. The temptations are greater for brilliant men. A lot of women are very attracted to smart men regardless of wealth, power, or physical good looks. They don’t necessarily want to wed but they do want them for the father of their children. That drive in women would probably be the major factor. Monogamy for humans is a social convention not a biological imperative. Polygamy for men is a biological imperative. Look at the setup - men produce millions of gametes fresh every day for most of their lives. Women are born with a fixed number of gametes of limited shelf life. Clearly two different reproductive strategies set in opposition are in play there. But even given that women have a biological imperative to attract a keep a single mate she doesn’t have a biological imperative to be sexually monogamous with him.

At any rate, what I described above should work to cause allelic evolution to favor high intelligence in humans. And remember, when it comes to the science of evolution, should is the same as does.

Comment by DaveScot — July 16, 2006 @ 9:48 am



Oh Dave! Sire my brood of tardlings. If there was ever a person not qualified to talk about such things...

How would Dave know what motivates brilliant men? He's never known any!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2006,09:55   

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 16 2006,14:39)
BWAWAWAWA!

TARD-FIGHT!

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1324#comment-48215

 
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“A lot of women are very attracted to smart men regardless of wealth, power, or physical good looks. They don’t necessarily want to wed but they do want them for the father of their children.”

Huh? I don’t know whose this idea is, but there is a barking great hole in it: People who have affairs rarely want children to come of them. I hardly need enumerate the reasons why that is so, but for women such reasons have included - in historical times for which we really have information -extreme poverty, divorce, unmarriageability, induced abortion, infanticide, and a shameful death by stoning.

Of course, we could always default to Darwinian storytelling about Pleistocene cave guys and gals who “must have” or “would have” thought, said, or done this or that.

Well, “must have” and “would have” never caught the fish, right?

The only humans of whom we have any real knowledge are the modern ones, and they KNOW why they rarely want their affairs to end with a bun in the oven.

Women who want a bunch of kids typically get married to one stable guy who owns land and/or works for a living - and they don’t fool around. They get involved with a religion that promotes “family values”. They know their rights and make sure the guy knows his duties. If he doesn’t, the priest or witch doctor, or whoever is happy to explain them.

cheers,

I suggest you do some googling before going off half cocked next time. Human history stretches back millions of years and you are evidently running on about your own anecdotal experience and some knowledge of the most recent eyeblink of human history where social custom made monogamy a more expected behavior. My anecdotal experience is far different from yours but that’s neither here nor there when it comes to monogamy in the human species. Something’s barking alright but it wasn’t me. -ds

Denyse O’Leary
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It's like special olympics wrestling.

I hate to say this, but it's awfully hard to read Denyse's comments here without strongly suspecting that she is, shall we say, coming to this topic with some rather personal issues based on her own life experiences...

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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2006,10:25   

Wow, the Tard Fight at the UD corral sure is talking about the Old Testament a lot. Isn't UD supposed to be a science blog?

Tina will always hold a special place in my heart as the person who tried to convert DT.  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2006,14:10   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 16 2006,15:55)
I hate to say this, but it's awfully hard to read Denyse's comments here without strongly suspecting that she is, shall we say, coming to this topic with some rather personal issues based on her own life experiences...

Many of the gay people I've known in my personal life have been religious, and so are several public gay people, like Andrew Sullivan. They make it work, though I'm sure there's a lot of soul-searching for a while.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2006,14:20   

Quote (stevestory @ July 16 2006,19:10)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 16 2006,15:55)
I hate to say this, but it's awfully hard to read Denyse's comments here without strongly suspecting that she is, shall we say, coming to this topic with some rather personal issues based on her own life experiences...

Many of the gay people I've known in my personal life have been religious, and so are several public gay people, like Andrew Sullivan. They make it work, though I'm sure there's a lot of soul-searching for a while.

Until all their fundie "friends" find out . . . . .

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(Permalink) Posted: July 16 2006,18:43   

Alan hehehe

Sal seems of indeterminate age there, I'm guessing he's around 25-30 years old from his boasting on PT as some sort of minor technocrat in corporation amerika. Ms Triple Major would be 19-21 at most?
With a very bright future in the mating stakes, even if it is only with some Fundy nutter. I would hazard a guess that her plans include someone richer, taller and better looking
than Sal Rocinante , hi ho.
If *I* was Sal I would only praise her AFTER having mounted the beast and even then only if I was planning a human zoo with her.
But not Sal no, champion of lost causes ,with lost souls.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,06:44   

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(1) IC (irreducible complexity) presupposes a basic primary purpose/function of a system — what is the basic purpose/function here? (making loud noises, illuminating the earth, generating heat, …);

So Dr Dembski, what is the basic function of a flagella?  Or a human arm?  Indeed, upon what basis do you presuppose a primary purpose of a system?  

Most IDers would answer that flagella, etc. help the species survive.  Which raises the question of why non-biological entities, like rocks, are so much better at surviving than biological species.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,06:48   

Quote (guthrie @ July 16 2006,05:20)
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(4) Where are the independently given patterns — specifications — that allow the explanatory filter to operate and thus, according to my theory, implicate design?

I wish you'd tell us, we don't know.  

In his latest specification paper, Dembski decided that specifications don't have to be independent.  Looks like he changed his mind back again.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,07:30   

How did we miss this little ditty from DaveTard?

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1307#comment-47859

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Why would a biologist be considered an expert in design, digital information systems, and factory automation? Sorting out where different critters belong in the phloygenetic tree is really little more than stamp collecting. All the action is in reverse engineering the machinery of life at the molecular scale. Engineers are the experts at reverse engineering. Who cares what happened in the distant past? That’s water under the bridge. Everything important is in living tissue and we don’t need to guess about how it works when we can reverse engineer it. -ds

Yup, paleontology and biology are both nothing more than stamp collecting, and we've never made any advances because of evolution.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,07:44   

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The 'tard wrote:

Why would a biologist be considered an expert in design, digital information systems, and factory automation? Sorting out where different critters belong in the phloygenetic tree is really little more than stamp collecting. All the action is in reverse engineering the machinery of life at the molecular scale. Engineers are the experts at reverse engineering. Who cares what happened in the distant past? That’s water under the bridge. Everything important is in living tissue and we don’t need to guess about how it works when we can reverse engineer it. -ds

GCT wrote:
Yup, paleontology and biology are both nothing more than stamp collecting, and we've never made any advances because of evolution.


Or to put it another way, to DaveTard biology is nothing but stamp collecting because he's too stupid and prejudiced to understand the theory that makes biology anything but stamp collecting.

Thus he stands as a prime example of the idiocy produced by creationism.  The intricacies of cladistics are nothing to the IDiots, the stories told by genomes and fossils have no meaning in their blankness.  They exist in a pre-scientific biological world (well, okay, there was science in biology prior to evolutionary theory, but not all that much) and use this faulty conception to judge evolutionary biology to be meaningless.

It's the circularity of Afdave's science/religion, but they can't quite stomach the lengths to which he goes.  Nevertheless, they use their own massive ignorance of the thoroughgoing connections existing throughout organisms in order to insist that their own blinkered stamp collecting viewpoint is what biology is.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,07:44   

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Who cares what happened in the distant past?


Geez, Dave, what is UD all about?

Who cares what happened in the distant past? Certainly not a bunch of disengenious fools trying to prove GODdidit / find the 'creator'.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,08:01   

I should just add that the big reason why stamp collecting and biology are so different is that stamps are designed, thus do not display the derived characteristics and familial relations that organisms do.

IOW, if the Tard even understood his comparison he'd be a long way toward understanding biology, as opposed to his religious apologetics.  The latter would imply that biology is amenable to "stamp collecting" (designed), indeed, yet it became apparent to intelligent creationists (as opposed to DaveTard and his ilk) like Linnaeus that something quite different existed in biology.  

What was apparent in biology was not design, but relationships throughout the life.  Darwin demonstrated (he didn't invent NS, but he did the science to show that it likely was responsible for what we see) that those relationships were not, after all, an illusion.

Like his hero Dembski, though, DaveTard essentially knows no biology.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,08:56   

Jim Downard writes Dembski an email to ask about his involvement with Coulter's book.  Dembski posts it and calls Jim smarmy.  Dembski's little fan club all make their pokes at Downard*.  So, Jim Downard writes another email and Dembski posts it again.

(*edited to read "Downard" instead of "Dembski".)

Here is what Downard said:

 
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Dear Bill

You take “all responsibility for any errors” in Coulter’s evolution chapters. Your words, not mine. Coulter has written what she has written. Either you are willing to defend each of her published assertions, or you may repudiate them. You have done neither.

Thus the questions I asked remain. As amply evidenced by her prior works, Coulter can get confused entirely on her own. But it is also legitimate to wonder to what extent her published antievolution statements due to your proud tutoring?

In my effort to resolve this point, I apologize for having employed specific terminology in my letter as though I were communicating with someone who was scientifically literate. My mistake. I wish I could avoid such highfallutin language, but unfortunately words actually mean things, and it is occasionally necessary to use them when the subject is something that directly relates to them. Much like those symbols required for precise discourse in the math biz. You remember that.

Perhaps I should have kept things on the melodramatic level of your blog buddies. “I take umbrage, sir! I am an insufferable smart ass, and refuse to accept demotion to mere smarminess. A duel at sunrise. Choice of weapons, scholarly pen.”

Once your brain cools down from that “host of terms and concepts” that came to your mind whilst reading my annoying affront to your repose, what I had to say about what Coulter had to say is readily available to you at Talk Reason. Should you feel disposed to defend any statement or repudiate them, in whatever venue you may elect, don’t let my smarminess stop you.

In the spirit of those popular competition shows on TV, I will even throw down a challenge. See if you can get to your response before I get to the substance of it. Topic: the “mammalian developmental biology” I put on my list. Clue: it was sandwiched between dentary bones and Probainognathus. And with due apologies to lucID, this involves real developmental biology, nothing “imaginary” about it. As it happens, though, unless you mentioned the information to her (which I suspect you could not have), Coulter didn’t get to be wrong here because of anything she might have heard from you. She could only have got her misinformation from one specific source, written by someone known to you, who was objectively familiar with it, but didn’t write of it either because they didn’t recognize its significance (or did, and suppressed it).

Finally, I do appreciate the way in which you elected to respond to my email. By posting it in the public domain for all to see, without answering any of its points, and by the rib-nudging grunting of your commentators, you illustrate very neatly the depth of care and studiousness you are capable of contributing to scholarly discourse.

In the words of “The Closer”: Thank You.

Jim (Insufferable Smart Ass) Downard

I think Dembski really got pwned on that one, especially since he was dumb enough to post the reply.

Oh, and here's DaveTard's take on it.
 
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Jim writes like a girly man.

‘Nuff said.

Comment by DaveScot — July 15, 2006 @ 1:59 am

Wow, DT.  You're such a tough guy.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,08:59   

All the action is in reverse engineering the machinery of life at the molecular scale. Engineers are the experts at reverse engineering. Who cares what happened in the distant past? That’s water under the bridge. Everything important is in living tissue and we don’t need to guess about how it works when we can reverse engineer it. -ds

Yup history is bunk, In the Year of our Microsoft 0031 praise our Ford. Pol Pot and DS would have been bosom buddies in year zero. Kill all the old people, wipe out mans collected wisdom, and breed reverse engineers to secure our future utopia.

No man north of the border is more in need of a blow job more than DT.

History is not an intelligent agent, it is a concept, as is time which cannot be observed directly as it is not reducible except as a unit of measure of past events.

In effect we observe history which we measure its sequence of events with units of time. Thus we observe history not time as such. The past is a sequence of events which we call history.

Without those events we would not be here, various figures in the past have attempted to destroy recorded history so they can shape the future in their own image....need I go on?

Huxley wrote his revenge on the history destroyers (In the year of our Ford... [history is bunk Henry] and the dystopian nightmare of a society that based all its values on 'objective engineering' without reference to the subjective, dare I say divine, art of reading between the lines of mythology and nature itself which is what Darwin did.

In DT's world a jaw bone morphing into ear bone removes him as a valued creator of life in his own image, his projected god is thus a second rate actor...just as DT is. (It's ALL projection)

When nature can better 'engineer' a functioning system through sexual reproduction and time.
He is intensely envious of both. A mere mortal wart on the ass of beauty ....a sneeze of nature itself.

Story telling (Myths of psychological revelation) from our Oral/Aural prehistory when captured on paper lead to objectivism, where science and its attention to facts confuses the sheep who then read those stories as though they were peer reviewed studies of actual events.

Balbinder Sing Bhogal a Lecturer in Religious Studies, University of Derby
States: that the heavily visual modes of consciousness typical of literate and postliterate cultures can make an objectivist paradigm highly probable.

He makes the same observation as Huxley (and Orwell for that matter) on misguided objectivism, see his definitions below.

objectivism = "the idea that all acceptable knowledge must take the form of exact, impersonal, context-neutral ‘facts’" p.1 related to Modernity results in ‘hyperrationalistic technocratic tyranny’

relativism = the opposite, or ultimate conclusion, where "no knowledge claims of the objectivist kind can be found, there is no true knowledge and rival knowledge claims are incommensurable". p.1 related to late-Modernity or sometimes Post-Modernity. results in ‘deconstructive irrationalistic nihilism’.

Now doesn't that sound familiar.
from:
Discussion about orality and literacy

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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,09:10   

You know DT is getting serious 'shrinkage' when someone intelligent drops by and rattles their chains and questions their macho chest beating....he projects 'girly man'. I wonder if he wears his wifes outfits when he looks at the pictures in Sci Am...God knows he doesn't actually undertand the writing.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,09:27   

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Dembski's little fan club all make their pokes at Dembski.

...pokes at Downard.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,09:47   

Quote (k.e @ July 17 2006,14:10)
You know DT is getting serious 'shrinkage' when someone intelligent drops by and rattles their chains and questions their macho chest beating....he projects 'girly man'. I wonder if he wears his wifes outfits when he looks at the pictures in Sci Am...God knows he doesn't actually undertand the writing.

He's said that Richard Dawkins is also a 'girly man', as I recall, and speculated on what Dawkin's wife finds attractive in Dawkins.

Anyone else think this says quite a bit about DS and his own apparent inadequacies?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,09:49   

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Jim writes like a girly man.

‘Nuff said.

Comment by DaveScot — July 15, 2006 @ 1:59 am

Wow, DT.  You're such a tough guy.


Dave likes manly girls - with adam's apples...

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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,09:58   

I wonder if DaveTard has figured out Janiebelle's true identity yet.  I love the way he/she is toying with DaveTard and allowed to post on UD when others would be banned immediately.  If only he knew the truth.....  lol.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,10:08   

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Either you are willing to defend each of her published assertions, or you may repudiate them.


Dembski is *such* a coward.

I'm calling homoland security on you - DT

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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,10:09   

Why wouldn't he let her post?  He strokes Dembski and is allowed to play with UD.  He's been doing it long enough (stroking and playing) that he now expects to be stroked.  If he thinks he's getting it, who are we to tell him otherwise?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,13:15   

Quote (jujuquisp @ July 17 2006,14:58)
I wonder if DaveTard has figured out Janiebelle's true identity yet.  I love the way he/she is toying with DaveTard and allowed to post on UD when others would be banned immediately.  If only he knew the truth.....  lol.

No one ever said DaveTard1 was very bright. It's not like there's just no CLUES he could see. I had posted a list of "pointers" but removed them -- I didn't want to step on  "JanieBelle's" dainty tootsies ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,14:00   

Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ July 17 2006,14:27)
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Dembski's little fan club all make their pokes at Dembski.

...pokes at Downard.

Fixed it.  Thanks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,16:37   

Oh, hey, look. Dembski's put up a post quoting a long article on the subject of how artificial selection doesn't behave like natural selection. Unfortunately he then doesn't actually comment on it in any way, leaving us to guess as to what, exactly, he thinks this article implies. Which is too bad, because I have a suspicion that if we knew what Dembski's opinion on this article is, it would be something pretty funny.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,16:52   

Quote (guthrie @ July 16 2006,05:20)
Wow, just when you think its gone quiet, up pops Dembski, with another rehash of teleological thought:

thunder and lightning

[snip]

The interesting thing to me here is that he never actually explains who said this, why they said it, in what context they said it, or whether they said anything else. Dembski gets an opportunity here to basically present an argument from a man made of straw, and then tear it down unopposed. But even despite this advantageous setup he doesn't really do a particularly good job, misspelling "lots" and then spending most of his space explaining how the lightning example is flawed since it makes no use of specified complexity-- an odd thing to concentrate on since the quote seems to have been an objection specifically to the design arguments made by Behe, and Behe doesn't use Dembski's specification concept.

It's really odd-- between this thunder and lightning thing, the Downard thing, and the artificial selection article, Dembski's blog for the last few days seems to be spending more space on presenting the arguments against him than presenting Dembski's arguments themselves.

  
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,19:26   

Dembski's blog for the last few days seems to be spending more space on presenting the arguments against him than presenting Dembski's arguments themselves.

That's the nasty thing about tautologies they have the nasty habit of coming back and biting you on the ass.

Of course he wouldn't notice...considering where he has his head.

Expect him to engage reality less and mumble on about epistimology and logos blah..blah.blah.

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,20:14   

Alas, now I'll never get the boot with a bold-tard comment:

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Here’s your second chance to make this thread productive. Stay on topic. Janiebelle has been booted. NEW RULE AT UD: No more bold insertions into existing comments. I’ve done it as has DaveScot. That’s now a thing of the past. One-comment-one-poster is now the rule.


Was there anything particularly embarrassing for Dembski in that thread, or was it just JanieBelle posting a bazillion comments?

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