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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,09:01   

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The paper: Life forms cant digest wood: Why this is a problem for Darwinism: "Although plant and wood eaters are common among animals, no higher organisms are known to actually digest lignin."

Butler & Buckerfield, Digestion of lignin by termites, Soil Biology and Biochemistry 1979: "An estimate of respiration rates of N. exitiosus indicates a significant release of C as respired CO2, and this species of termite would appear to return a considerable proportion of the C in litter lignin directly to the atmosphere."

So, it is being digested. This might be important for the development of biofuels.

A Break in the Lignin Wall: "A team of researchers from the University of Florida and the biotechnology company Chesapeake-PERL Inc. of Savage, Md. have isolated two enzymes termites use to break up lignin. Theyre reporting in a paper published online in the journal Insect Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, a determination that enzymes found in termite salivary tissues may be able to accomplish the same task, and at room temperature."

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Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,09:21   

Great find, Zachriel!
So Axe's et. al. review I quoted in our BIOComplexity thread is based on ignorance or worse. One of the authors is a specialist in this field; I found lots of his papers with Google. So he either didn't bother to check the literature, or - shock! - he lied.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,10:10   

kairosfocus declares his independence from reality on July 4th.

Seriously, can anyone tell what he's on about?

  
Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,10:35   

He can't be talking about AtBC; we don't photoshop decent grandmothers (Denyse?) with sexual slurs because Lou would delete the filth because we are mature persons.

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,10:48   

Quote (Patrick @ July 04 2012,08:10)
kairosfocus [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism/for-record-new-atheist-objectors-to-design-thought-at-anti-evo-etc-reach-new-lows-hit-rock

-bottom/]declares his independence from reality[/URL] on July 4th.

Seriously, can anyone tell what he's on about?

It figures that the first time I clicked on a link to UD in several months all I got is 'page not found'.

Is the link wrong or did they remove gordo's post?

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Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,10:52   

Links on AtBC only work until a certain length, you'll have to go to UD and check the OP.

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dvunkannon



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,10:54   

Quote (Zachriel @ July 04 2012,10:01)
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The paper: Life forms cant digest wood: Why this is a problem for Darwinism: "Although plant and wood eaters are common among animals, no higher organisms are known to actually digest lignin."

Butler & Buckerfield, Digestion of lignin by termites, Soil Biology and Biochemistry 1979: "An estimate of respiration rates of N. exitiosus indicates a significant release of C as respired CO2, and this species of termite would appear to return a considerable proportion of the C in litter lignin directly to the atmosphere."

So, it is being digested. This might be important for the development of biofuels.

A Break in the Lignin Wall: "A team of researchers from the University of Florida and the biotechnology company Chesapeake-PERL Inc. of Savage, Md. have isolated two enzymes termites use to break up lignin. Theyre reporting in a paper published online in the journal Insect Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, a determination that enzymes found in termite salivary tissues may be able to accomplish the same task, and at room temperature."

Hmmm...

Some key ideas from the Axe paper

Lignin genes mutate.

Lignin is toxic to microbes.

The molecule is built of racemic parts.

The enzymes that build it are non-specific. (Oh noes! Don't tell KF or any other worshipers of the "enzymes are sooo specific in function they can't evolve" meme.)

The activation energy of the molecule is high.

It costs energy to degrade lignin.


Why hasn't darwinian evolution created something to degrade lignin? Hmmm, toxic and negative net energy to the cell, seems like good selection pressure _away_ from lignin degradation right there. Everyone who works with lignin is just trying to get it out of the way to get at the much tastier cellulose.


Yeast whole genome duplication article shows sub- and neo-functionalization. Axe chooses to focus on "degenerative" evolution of loss-of-function specialization. (Paper by Ralph Seelke, a creationist?)

Did we mention that lignin precursor monomers, made from the amino acid phenylalanine, make great UV-B absorbers? Really helpful when moving out of the water onto land. And of course, you'd want to select some functions that push these UV absorbers to the outside of the body, to protect as much of the cell as possible. No, we didn't mention that.
(http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-8137.2010.03327.x/full) is cited in the Axe paper, though.

Bottom line - lignin is toxic waste. That vascular plants have discovered how to use it to build bodies that sequester an enormous amount of the organic carbon (and lignin derived coal sequesters even more) means nothing.

Overall, a great use of post hoc, anthropic principle reasoning. "Our ecology exists, therefore lignin is designed."

An of course, the whole thing is trumped by
http://www.sciencemag.org/content....715

After all, the "God designed our ecology" argument means that God designed not just how hard lignin is to degrade, but how well degrade it, when lignin appeared, and when lignin degradation appeared. We wouldn't have had a coal-fired Industrial Revolution or diamonds, if God hadn't delayed lignin degradation as long as he did.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,10:59   

Quote (The whole truth @ July 04 2012,10:48)
 
Quote (Patrick @ July 04 2012,08:10)
kairosfocus [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism/for-record-new-atheist-objectors-to-design-thought-at-anti-evo-etc-reach-new-lows-hit-rock




-bottom/]declares his independence from reality[/URL] on July 4th.

Seriously, can anyone tell what he's on about?

It figures that the first time I clicked on a link to UD in several months all I got is 'page not found'.

Is the link wrong or did they remove gordo's post?

The board SW breaks long links.

Try this one

Gordo's classic meltdown

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,11:17   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 04 2012,08:59)
Quote (The whole truth @ July 04 2012,10:48)
Quote (Patrick @ July 04 2012,08:10)
kairosfocus [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism/for-record-new-atheist-objectors-to-design-thought-at-anti-evo-etc-reach-new-lows-hit-rock





-bottom/]declares his independence from reality[/URL] on July 4th.

Seriously, can anyone tell what he's on about?

It figures that the first time I clicked on a link to UD in several months all I got is 'page not found'.

Is the link wrong or did they remove gordo's post?

The board SW breaks long links.

Try this one

Gordo's classic meltdown

Thanks, that link worked. I hated going to UD even for just long enough to copy gordo's rant but it was probably worth it because it is a feast of gordo's insane tard and will be fun to chew to pieces.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,11:32   

I wonder if this post by The Whole Truth is what set KF off??

  
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,11:42   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 04 2012,11:59)
Quote (The whole truth @ July 04 2012,10:48)
Quote (Patrick @ July 04 2012,08:10)
kairosfocus [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism/for-record-new-atheist-objectors-to-design-thought-at-anti-evo-etc-reach-new-lows-hit-rock





-bottom/]declares his independence from reality[/URL] on July 4th.

Seriously, can anyone tell what he's on about?

It figures that the first time I clicked on a link to UD in several months all I got is 'page not found'.

Is the link wrong or did they remove gordo's post?

The board SW breaks long links.

Try this one

Gordo's classic meltdown

Thanks.  I'll use bit.ly religiously ID-ly in the future.

  
Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,12:13   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 04 2012,10:35)
He can't be talking about AtBC; we don't photoshop decent grandmothers (Denyse?) with sexual slurs because Lou would delete the filth because we are mature persons.

I'm pretty sure this is a dig at Barry and the rest of the UDenizens ... the word "bullies" is the giveaway ...
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Last, but not least, the habitual resort to such guttersnipe tactics leaves the clear implication that we are here dealing with out of control ideologues who have not got a sound case on the merits but believe they will prevail by smearing filth and acting as ill-brought-up bullies.

Such bullies need to know that their want of common decency is duly noted, with all it implies.

Those who encourage or tolerate such behaviour, need to know that such enabling behaviour will inevitably taint them as well.

What a surprise and shame ... comments not enabled!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,12:14   

Quote (NormOlsen @ July 04 2012,11:32)
I wonder if this post by The Whole Truth is what set KF off??

Well, at the time I thought it was a bit drastic. But the lady in question linked Dahmer with Darwin shortly afterwards.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,13:10   

Quote (NormOlsen @ July 04 2012,09:32)
I wonder if this post by The Whole Truth is what set KF off??

It looks that way but I think the posts where I quoted some of the things he has said really riled him up and he's just trying to divert attention away from being exposed as the liar, homophobe, and all around monstrous lunatic he is. Some of the things he says in his rant show that he is riled about those posts. I don't believe for a nanosecond that he actually respects women. To a controlling, dictatorial fundy like him, women are chattel.

Everything that is said here (or anywhere else) by any opponent of IDC must rile gordo. He's completely intolerant of anything that isn't absolute worship of every word he spews, and he didn't start hating this site only after I came along. It's pretty funny that he goes on and on about "dealing with the issues", "on the merits", while he spends every waking moment of his miserable, worthless existence making shit up, LYING, hiding in the UD sanctuary, running from discussions/debates, avoiding the real issues and merits, erecting and attacking strawmen, moving the goalposts, endlessly repeating already refuted talking points, closing comments on his UD threads, blocking or closing comments on his sites, falsely accusing people of things they never did, falsely accusing people of every horrible act and thought imaginable, condemning people via completely bogus guilt by association bullshit when no credible case can even be made for any association, and using every other dirty trick that his deranged, malicious mind can conjure up to try to make himself look good and make anyone who doesn't kiss his sanctimonious ass look like an evil, degenerate demon.

He portrays himself as the ultimate knight in shining armor (bydand!) when in reality he's just a rusty, moldy, cowardly, lying piece of trash.

Hey gordo, I know you're reading this and I'm still waiting for you to produce evidence that I threatened you and your family "mafioso-style". LIAR.

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,17:27   

Quote (The whole truth @ July 04 2012,14:10)
He portrays himself as the ultimate knight in shining armor (bydand!) when in reality he's just a rusty, moldy, cowardly, lying piece of trash.

Perhaps he should throw himself in the volcano as a pure sacrifice to save Montserrat!

Or, perhaps I've been celebrating the 4th quite enough already.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,17:52   

Sal Cordova, the voice of reason?
Who'da thunk?
(UD link)

  
Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,18:11   

Quote (NormOlsen @ July 04 2012,18:52)
Sal Cordova, the voice of reason?
Who'da thunk?
(UD link)

The reason being "They beat us like a borrowed drum on this. Please make it stop!"

Edited by Patrick on July 04 2012,19:11

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,18:12   

What is totally astounding is that Sewell is STILL pushing his backwards tornado 2nd Law of Thermo argument.  That puts him in league with Hunter for the Intelligent Design Creationism Certifiably Insane Participation Ribbon.

Who knows, maybe Slimy Sal's brain started functioning for a microsecond or so.  Of course, the IDiots will come to Sewell's defense and throw Sal under the short bus.

Alas, poor Sal, we knew him well.  Abbie sends hugs.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,18:16   

Sewell whippeth up his own loudspeaker at UD and sayeth onto Sal:
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Sal,

Furthermore, I deeply resent your attempt to portray me as an ignoramus on this topic. If youll look at my CV youll see that about half of my 40+ publications are collaborations with physicists, several of whom have subsequently told me they like my Applied Mathematics Letters article, which was accepted and then withdrawn at the last minute for purely political reasons, as is well known. I have discussed this topic in my 2005 John Wiley book The Numerical Solution of Ordinary and Partial Differential Equations, second edition among other places. So I am not as ignorant of the topic as you imply.

That's a laughable argument, Granville. Collaborating with a physicist does not make you into one. Stick to PDEs.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,18:18   

Quote (Doc Bill @ July 05 2012,11:12)
What is totally astounding is that Sewell is STILL pushing his backwards tornado 2nd Law of Thermo argument. That puts him in league with Hunter for the Intelligent Design Creationism Certifiably Insane Participation Ribbon.

Who knows, maybe Slimy Sal's brain started functioning for a microsecond or so. Of course, the IDiots will come to Sewell's defense and throw Sal under the short bus.

Alas, poor Sal, we knew him well. Abbie sends hugs.

Yes, there's a tard fight brewing. BA77 and KF (hi Gordon!) have weighed in and Sewell has responded. In a response to a comment from Slimey:
 
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Sal,

Furthermore, I deeply resent your attempt to portray me as an ignoramus on this topic...


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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,18:32   

Quote (Doc Bill @ July 04 2012,19:12)
What is totally astounding is that Sewell is STILL pushing his backwards tornado 2nd Law of Thermo argument. That puts him in league with Hunter for the Intelligent Design Creationism Certifiably Insane Participation Ribbon.

Who knows, maybe Slimy Sal's brain started functioning for a microsecond or so. Of course, the IDiots will come to Sewell's defense and throw Sal under the short bus.

Alas, poor Sal, we knew him well. Abbie sends hugs.

Slimy Sal is about a microsecond away from going all Sudden Clarity Clarence that natural selection is just a local increase in order.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,18:35   

Quote (Patrick @ July 04 2012,09:42)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 04 2012,11:59)
Quote (The whole truth @ July 04 2012,10:48)
 
Quote (Patrick @ July 04 2012,08:10)
kairosfocus [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism/for-record-new-atheist-objectors-to-design-thought-at-anti-evo-etc-reach-new-lows-hit-rock






-bottom/]declares his independence from reality[/URL] on July 4th.

Seriously, can anyone tell what he's on about?

It figures that the first time I clicked on a link to UD in several months all I got is 'page not found'.

Is the link wrong or did they remove gordo's post?

The board SW breaks long links.

Try this one

Gordo's classic meltdown

Thanks. I'll use bit.ly religiously ID-ly in the future.

I don't remember such a fuss since I called Dinny a "pustule." Actually, I called her creationist twaddle a "pustule" but she took it personally.

Oh, I would never have ever even imagined calling anyone a "morphodyke."

That is fucking creativity. One can only dream of such verbal creativity.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,19:37   

Quote (Freddie @ July 04 2012,10:13)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 04 2012,10:35)
He can't be talking about AtBC; we don't photoshop decent grandmothers (Denyse?) with sexual slurs because Lou would delete the filth because we are mature persons.

I'm pretty sure this is a dig at Barry and the rest of the UDenizens ... the word "bullies" is the giveaway ...
 
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Last, but not least, the habitual resort to such guttersnipe tactics leaves the clear implication that we are here dealing with out of control ideologues who have not got a sound case on the merits but believe they will prevail by smearing filth and acting as ill-brought-up bullies.

Such bullies need to know that their want of common decency is duly noted, with all it implies.

Those who encourage or tolerate such behaviour, need to know that such enabling behaviour will inevitably taint them as well.

What a surprise and shame ... comments not enabled!

What's he gonna do? Hold his breath 'til he turns blue? Take away our birthdays?  Boo effing hoo, Gorgon.

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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,19:58   

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Oh, I would never have ever even imagined calling anyone a "morphodyke."

That is fucking creativity. One can only dream of such verbal creativity.

I have a soft spot [1] for Denyse since she was very pleasant to me in my interactions with her as Mathgrrl.

Denyse, darlin', please reconsider the prolific posting of odd commentary associated with science news. I realize that journalists are expected to write about topics with which they aren't familiar, but you're not doing the ID movement any favors.

As far as the insult you reference goes, I suspect that represents the lifetime peak of Dave Springer's creativity.

[1] Insert "that's what she said", "not according to Louis' mom", or other appropriate witty repartee here.

Edited by Patrick on July 04 2012,20:58

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,20:01   

I can only imagine that Sal had a moment of clarity, like an Alzheimer's patient.  Just a second where he realized that ID was all crap and Sewell was the rectum.

Will Sal stand his ground? Will the ID mongrels rally around Sewell?  Will Jen find true love?  

Who knows?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,20:10   

Quote (Doc Bill @ July 04 2012,21:01)
I can only imagine that Sal had a moment of clarity, like an Alzheimer's patient. Just a second where he realized that ID was all crap and Sewell was the rectum.

Will Sal stand his ground? Will the ID mongrels rally around Sewell? Will Jen find true love?

Who knows?

And what about Naomi?

But seriously (for some values of serious), Granville is in bed with the DI and Sal isn't. The IDEA clubs are no more, while Sewell's tornado video was an official DI production, not an Elmer Fudd voice over of a screenshot of a PDF on Youtube (like his previous efforts).

Granville's literature bluff is precious. Sure he's published with physicists, just not about the second law.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,20:37   

Quote (dvunkannon @ July 04 2012,18:32)
Quote (Doc Bill @ July 04 2012,19:12)
What is totally astounding is that Sewell is STILL pushing his backwards tornado 2nd Law of Thermo argument. That puts him in league with Hunter for the Intelligent Design Creationism Certifiably Insane Participation Ribbon.

Who knows, maybe Slimy Sal's brain started functioning for a microsecond or so. Of course, the IDiots will come to Sewell's defense and throw Sal under the short bus.

Alas, poor Sal, we knew him well. Abbie sends hugs.

Slimy Sal is about a microsecond away from going all Sudden Clarity Clarence that natural selection is just a local increase in order.

Batshit77 has his sudden moment of clarity too...

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2012,21:33   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 04 2012,12:14)
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I wonder if this post by The Whole Truth is what set KF off??

Well, at the time I thought it was a bit drastic. But the lady in question linked Dahmer with Darwin shortly afterwards.

Although I've made fun of KF quite often myself I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just ignore him. UD is dead and I doubt that any poor soul over there would really read KF's writings. In addition, I must admit that I've stopped reading the whole truth's comments quite some time ago because I don't like his obsessed style and because they are rather about what he thinks is KF's personality than contributing much to the discussion about UD/ID. He is repeating the same stories again and again, most of it being just ad hominem and I really don't like his illustrations.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2012,00:29   

Quote (sparc @ July 04 2012,19:33)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 04 2012,12:14)
 
Quote (NormOlsen @ July 04 2012,11:32)
I wonder if this post by The Whole Truth is what set KF off??

Well, at the time I thought it was a bit drastic. But the lady in question linked Dahmer with Darwin shortly afterwards.

Although I've made fun of KF quite often myself I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just ignore him. UD is dead and I doubt that any poor soul over there would really read KF's writings. In addition, I must admit that I've stopped reading the whole truth's comments quite some time ago because I don't like his obsessed style and because they are rather about what he thinks is KF's personality than contributing much to the discussion about UD/ID. He is repeating the same stories again and again, most of it being just ad hominem and I really don't like his illustrations.

"Although I've made fun of KF quite often myself..."

It's okay for you but not for me?

And if what I post are the same stories again and again it's because gordo's and the rest of the IDiots' bullshit and lies are the same old swill, again and again. He and many other IDCs have been repeating the same, sanctimonious, falsely accusatory, insane crap for years on the internet and for thousands of years elsewhere. If anyone needs some new material it's gordo and all the rest of the IDCs.

When it comes right down to it, everything said here has been said many times, in so many words or "illustrations".  It's repetitive because the IDiots are nauseatingly repetitive. If the IDiots would come up with something new I'm pretty sure that they would get a new response. And if they actually had the balls to 'deal with the issues on the merits' in an open and honest way, this site probably wouldn't even be necessary.  

You might want to consider that this is the 4th Uncommonly Dense Thread and that I didn't start any of them, and I didn't even know that this site existed when the first two or three were started. I don't remember right now but I may not have been here when the fourth one was started.

Yeah, I can be blunt, and often am, especially with lying, pompous assholes that are trying to shove their theocratic, dominionist, dishonest, insane, science and freedom destroying agenda down the throats of everyone on Earth. The IDiots deserve every bit of ridicule they get.

And I don't know about you but I really don't like being equated to or falsely and maliciously associated with hitler, stalin, dahmer, pol pot, breivik, "Islamist" or other terrorists, and other murderous monsters and I don't like being constantly told that I and others are amoral and evil (by self-righteous, lying lunatics who claim to be "loving", "moral" people while supporting genocide and many other heinous acts committed by their brethren and allegedly commanded by their "loving", "merciful", "perfect", "good" god) just because I and others accept the theory and fact of naturalistic evolution and don't believe in and worship them and their imaginary, murderous, petty, jealous, monstrous god.

Sure, I could ignore the IDiots on the internet and did so for most of my life, but I haven't found that ignoring (or being nice to) religious zealots has done any good for the world, and especially the religious zealots that are trying to destroy science and freedom, brainwash children, silence their critics, eliminate their opponents, and control the thoughts and actions of everyone on Earth. I don't know how you see it but the tyrannical religious wackos see it as a war, an all out war or 'crusade' that they must "win" at any cost. That just can't be allowed.

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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