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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,07:41   

FTK jumps on another bandwagon - Vaccination and autism.
 
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So often we hear that there is a connection between the two. I don't really lean either way in this debate, but here's an interesting article on the subject.


FTK, there are news sites out there that do more or less the same as you. I.E provide links and summary's of news and nothing more. Why do you bother?

If you "don't really lean either way in this debate" why are you bothering to post that particular story? There are no doubt 100's of things that you are also too ignorant of to form an opinion on, why don't you post similar articles about them too?

Or is it another example of the big bad science kings keeping research suppressed for X reason?

Your (and the ID movement in general) desperation is showing.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,09:05   

Hey Ftk,

I believe the Bible condones incest.  Are you all for it?  Why or why not?

Lot and his daughters, anyone?  Anyone?

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,09:12   

If theistic morals are in fact fixed then incest is still acceptable!

I believe FTK has made noises in the past about the NT overriding the OT in certain aspects.

Must be so nice to have a "fixed" morality where you can pick and choose what to obey.

I'll have that from the OT and that and that from the NT.

A morality shopping list!

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,09:23   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 02 2008,06:41)
FTK jumps on another bandwagon - Vaccination and autism.
     
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So often we hear that there is a connection between the two. I don't really lean either way in this debate, but here's an interesting article on the subject.


FTK, there are news sites out there that do more or less the same as you. I.E provide links and summary's of news and nothing more. Why do you bother?

If you "don't really lean either way in this debate" why are you bothering to post that particular story? There are no doubt 100's of things that you are also too ignorant of to form an opinion on, why don't you post similar articles about them too?

Or is it another example of the big bad science kings keeping research suppressed for X reason?

Your (and the ID movement in general) desperation is showing.

Interesting, I've just stumbled upon this book, which dovetails with a lot of what I'm reading about mass produced food right now.



It has a chapter on autism.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,09:29   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 02 2008,10:12)
If theistic morals are in fact fixed then incest is still acceptable!

I believe FTK has made noises in the past about the NT overriding the OT in certain aspects.

Must be so nice to have a "fixed" morality where you can pick and choose what to obey.

I'll have that from the OT and that and that from the NT.

A morality shopping list!

Morality à la carte

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,09:33   

Or, to use Walter ReMine's favorite word, a morality smorgasbord.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,10:01   

I'll take I Samuel 15 for $500, Alex.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,11:32   

Incest, polygamy, slavery, et cetera........

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,11:37   

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Incest, polygamy, slavery, et cetera........

Ah, but Slavery was condoned (and therefore presumably considered moral) by Churches in the south, was it not?

So presumably one of the things that'll happen when the Wedge gets a Christian, er, back in power*, is the repeal of the anti-slavery laws?

*Hang on, that's not right. I know Bush talks to god but....

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,11:41   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 02 2008,09:12)
If theistic morals are in fact fixed then incest is still acceptable!

I believe FTK has made noises in the past about the NT overriding the OT in certain aspects.

Must be so nice to have a "fixed" morality where you can pick and choose what to obey.

I'll have that from the OT and that and that from the NT.

A morality shopping list!

Yeah so....the inerrant word of God needs a tweak every now ant then....

Problem?

;-)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,11:49   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 02 2008,11:37)
Quote (EyeNoU @ June 02 2008,11:32)
Incest, polygamy, slavery, et cetera........

Ah, but Slavery was condoned (and therefore presumably considered moral) by Churches in the south, was it not?

So presumably one of the things that'll happen when the Wedge gets a Christian, er, back in power*, is the repeal of the anti-slavery laws?

*Hang on, that's not right. I know Bush talks to god but....

Abraham knocked up his wife's slave-girl and took her as a wife. Slavery and polygamy in one go! Also rape, by any reasonable metric, given that she was a slave and all.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,17:43   

Not to mention 50 years ago, thrashing your children to within an inch of their lives was seem as something that upstanding christians do. "Spare the rod spoil the child". How can she say that she is worried that morals become relative under an atheist agenda when they have obviously been relative for all of history.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,17:45   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 02 2008,19:41)
FTK jumps on another bandwagon - Vaccination and autism.
   
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So often we hear that there is a connection between the two. I don't really lean either way in this debate, but here's an interesting article on the subject.


FTK, there are news sites out there that do more or less the same as you. I.E provide links and summary's of news and nothing more. Why do you bother?

If you "don't really lean either way in this debate" why are you bothering to post that particular story? There are no doubt 100's of things that you are also too ignorant of to form an opinion on, why don't you post similar articles about them too?

Or is it another example of the big bad science kings keeping research suppressed for X reason?

Your (and the ID movement in general) desperation is showing.

More interesting would have been all of the studies showing no link. What a loser. Insteading of looking at Scienceblogs for articles to troll she should actually read a few of the science articles.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,18:04   

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Hey Ftk,

I believe the Bible condones incest.  Are you all for it?  Why or why not?

Lot and his daughters, anyone?  Anyone?

Isn't the standard explanation for Cain's wife "he had some sisters, they just never mentioned them"?  Speaking of Lot and his daughters, how 'bout offering to let his daughters be gang-raped?  Still, must've been a righteous man, because he was spared, right?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2008,18:06   

Moved from BW:

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I do not tolerate acts of immorality

Could we have a list of what you consider immoral?
   
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Yes, I believe that atheism leaves the question of what is or is not "moral" wide open.  It would fluxuate largely from one person to the next


So I guess you are saying that under you scheme what is "moral" is fixed in place and unchanging?

Them please educate this poor person right here and tell me what your "fixed" morals say is immoral?

Here, I have got you started:

Immoral =
1. Late term abortion
2. Beastality
3. Incest

anything else?

I'd like to add: does deceit count, and do you not understand that quote-mining, "joke" or not, is a form of deceit?  It's only acceptable when  it is absolutely clear from the context that you are altering the words and are doing so for comic effect.  Then people can laugh at the implication/meaning of the distorted quote and know it does not represent reality or the views of the one quoted.  Linking and hat-tipping does not count if you have not met those conditions, and is a cheap cop-out. It's also poor scholarship if you're attempting to make a serious point.  And, to be perfectly clear, I am not speaking of Sal in particular, though he certainly qualifies as deceitful under those conditions.  This also includes simply truncating quotes.  Unless the truncated version still accurately represents the writer's views or you clarify by paraphrasing any additional points that may alter the straightforward, obvious meaning, you are still engaging in deceit.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,14:52   

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It just seems to me that running all those chemicals through an infant might possibly have repercussions


Agreed! The repercussions being it acquires an immunity to a debilitating disease.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,15:10   

FTK scrawled somewhere dirty
   
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I'm not particularly promoting antivaxers.

No, and I guess you don't promote ID either, you just happen to blog on both. Keep on convincing yourself that if it helps.
     
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 I just think it's something that shouldn't be entirely ruled out.  

We know about your things that can't be "entirely" ruled out. Like the fact that there's a 6000 year old earth. Did you know even Salvador is not convinced? I quote:
     
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I say this as someone who is actually sympathetic ( but not fully convinced) of YEC.

If Salvador is not fully convinced and his views are well known (and it's a getout clause by the way, if pressed with evidence he can't wave away he can always say I'm not totally convinced to save some face) then why do you persist with saying that some branch of mainstream science could yet say the earth is 6000 years old?
   
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I know quite a few kids who have autism, and my son was good friends with one little guy from his previous school that struggled with it.

There does appear to be some issue sure.
   
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It's so common these days, and one just wonders why.  

And you just happen to wonder out loud by copying somebody else's work and adding an inane header to it. Clap. Clap. Clap
   
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I've never been comfortable ruling something out merely because the "scientific consensus" deems it the wrong avenue to explore.  
As above. The earth could be 6000 years old. FTK, do women and men have the same or different numbers of ribs? No cheating now before you answer!
   
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The article I posted provides some testing that is worth thinking about, but they were sure to relay that the results are not conclusive by any means.  

No, they simply said
   
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"There was a significant difference between the two groups," said Hewitson. "The vaccinated group had trouble developing reflexes?… They also became more insular and more aggressive. There was an increase in aggressive behaviour after they had their MMR vaccines, and they stopped exploring their surroundings as much."

Abnormal brain activity was found in the monkeys, and higher sensitivity to a naturally occurring brain chemical linked to sleeplessness, hallucinations, lack of social skills and a high pain threshold - all symptoms found in children on the autistic spectrum. The monkeys also exhibited abnormalities of the amygdala, the part of the brain which regulates emotions.

And we all know that a parent reading that will assess it in a dispassionate way, realise that it simply provides evidence that some testing is worth thinking about, but they would be sure to understand that the results are not conclusive by any means and that nobody should panic and stop giving children vaccinations that might lead to diseases like measles making a comeback.
   
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It just seems to me that running all those chemicals through an infant might possibly have repercussions.

I propose that the chemicals that helped you give birth to that child that you "are for" and helped provide pain relief should be withheld if you have any more children, as running all those chemicals through an infant might possibly have repercussions.

FTK, do you honestly think that the thousands of health professionals involved in the deployment of even a single vaccine have not stopped and thought "gee, I wonder if running all those chemicals through an infant might possibly have repercussions?"

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,15:17   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 03 2008,16:10)
FTK, do you honestly think that the thousands of health professionals involved in the deployment of even a single vaccine have not stopped and thought "gee, I wonder if running all those chemicals through an infant might possibly have repercussions?"

One feature of the whacko brain is that it spends little time wondering if it could be wrong. I recall a Kentucky relative who told me when I was a kid, 'They say the earth spins around at a thousand miles an hour. But you know that ain't right. If it did, we'd all fly off into space'.

People like him and FtK never think, 'Hmm...perhaps several thousand experts understand this better than I do.'

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,15:21   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 03 2008,16:10)
FTK, do women and men have the same or different numbers of ribs? No cheating now before you answer!

Around 1995 I was in an Anatomy and Physiology class where a girl argued that the skeleton was wrong. No joke.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,15:22   

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I've never been comfortable ruling something out merely because the "scientific consensus" deems it the wrong avenue to explore.


Hang on. Who does the article quote? Scientists talking about research into the very subject of vaccines. So who but FTK could spin that into the above quote?

It is being explored and "scientific consensus" is obviously being ignored. That's the thing, if people believe something they can go out and do the work and support their case with factual evidence. I realise such a thing is hard for FTK to get her mind around dealing as she does with Walt Brown and so on.

From the article
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With billions of pharmaceutical dollars, could it be possible that the vaccine programme is becoming more of a profit engine then a means of prevention?

No doubt there are some right b'stards in the pharma industry, but independent oversight and regulation is the cure. I guess anyway, if not that then what?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,15:25   

FTK wants
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We obviously need to vaccinize, and if we didn't many more children would be at risk than those numbers who may currently be affected by the vaccine.

FTK gets that by quoting articles that say  
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The vaccinated group had trouble developing reflexes?… They also became more insular and more aggressive. There was an increase in aggressive behaviour after they had their MMR vaccines, and they stopped exploring their surroundings as much."

edit quote fix.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,15:45   

Quote (Kristine @ June 02 2008,08:23)
Interesting, I've just stumbled upon this book, which dovetails with a lot of what I'm reading about mass produced food right now.



It has a chapter on autism.

Crap! It looks like Simontacchi is an anti-vaxer, too. Plus she gets other stuff wrong. Sorry, folks - just goes to show how you have to be careful.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,16:02   

Quote (stevestory @ June 03 2008,16:21)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 03 2008,16:10)
FTK, do women and men have the same or different numbers of ribs? No cheating now before you answer!

Around 1995 I was in an Anatomy and Physiology class where a girl argued that the skeleton was wrong. No joke.

Same year, Chem I, Marshall U.

Girl argued with the Chem prof.

Sadly, it's apparently not a rare occurrence - he'd had to address the issue before.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,16:26   

FTK:
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OM blathers on about everything under the sun, but this caught my eye...

Yeah, you read it so what-ever....

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,16:57   

I think this article sums up the anti-vax phenomenon quite well.
   
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Healthy skepticism and thoughtful critique of science have turned into paranoia and an adherence to pseudoscience which looks like science, sounds authoritative, and tends to quack (as in quackery). In the meantime, the hypothesis that vaccines (like the MMR) or something in vaccines (such as mercury) are a causative factor autism has lodged itself deeply in the public’s consciousness, and the carefully reasoned protests of scientists about vaccines saving lives and the threats to herd immunity have so far fallen on some very deaf ears.

This struck me:
     
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What’s the purpose ultimately of tracking down a conspiracy about autism and vaccines? The more reports of “evidence” “confirming” the autism-vaccine hypothesis that I read, the less these seem to be about autism. Tracking down the truth about an alleged conspiracy involving the government, vaccines and autism has become an end itself and somehow I don’t think this is in the best interest of preparing education, supports, and services for autistic children growing up to be autistic adults. The recent subpoenas of blogger Kathleen Seidel, who has carefully documented vaccine injury litagation, and Dr. Maria McCormick, who has spoken publicly and straightforwardly about there being no link between vaccines and autism, are examples of this (potentially fruitless) tendency towards conspirational thinking in proponents of a vaccine-autism link. (The subpoena against Seidel was recently quashed; a concise analysis is offered by Ars Technica.)

Conspiracy theories and controversy—especially a medical controversy involving children— attract attention, and all the more when wrapped in scholarly references and scientific-looking theories. Who doesn’t want to be proven smarter than the scientists, especially those who work for the government?


Indeed, who doesn't? I run into this kind of stuff with friends - people really into yoga, [liberal] homeschoolers ("The capital campaign for the downtown Mpls library sucked away $$ from the branch libraries" even though that would be illegal), soy-enthusiasts ("Women who eat soy don't go through menopause"), etc. Hell, I got slapped at my blog for suggesting a diet including raw milk - turns out that it's still really a bad idea. (So I retracted that statement.)

She also quotes Daniel Engbar, whose The Paranoid Style in American Science, which I also posted in the Expelled thread, analyzes the theme running through both the MMR controversy and the claims of the movie Expelled.
       
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The proponents of intelligent design are far from the only critics of mainstream science whose skepticism has taken on the trappings of conspiracy theory. In a 2005 article for Salon and Rolling Stone, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. reported on a top-secret meeting in rural Georgia where high-level government officials and pharmaceutical executives worked to cover up the link between children's vaccines and autism. (No such link has been found.) The public utilities are still accused, as they have been for more than 50 years, of conspiring against America's youth by fluoridating the water supply. And skeptics of the obesity epidemic point out that the media collude with pharmaceutical companies to feed a booming weight-loss industry. Paranoid science reveals nonmedical conspiracies, too—impenetrable ballistics data form the basis for a theory of the assassination of JFK, and the calculations of structural engineering cast doubt on the official story of 9/11....

Like the producers of Expelled, Farber portrays mainstream, government-funded science as a repressive regime intolerant of dissent. The victimized academic in this scenario is University of California-Berkeley virologist Peter Duesberg [My favorite guy] :angry:, who wonders why AIDS sometimes appears without any sign of HIV infection, and why no one has yet demonstrated the mechanism by which the virus kills off our immune system's helper T-cells. (He proposes instead that AIDS is a "chemical syndrome," resulting from heavy drug use; for ample evidence to the contrary, click here.)

According to Farber, this challenge to the conventional wisdom cost Duesberg his government funding, his lab facilities, and his graduate students. He was also denied pay raises, disinvited from scientific meetings, and barred from publishing in certain scientific journals. Who's behind all this? Some combination of the FDA, the NIH, the pharmaceutical companies, and even the AIDS nonprofits. In short, Duesberg ran afoul of "a global, multibillion-dollar juggernaut of diagnostics, drugs, and activist organizations."

Harper's has shown a peculiar affinity, over the years, for contrarian science: [I have indeed noticed this.] In addition to the Farber piece, the magazine has run repeated attacks on the theory of evolution from former Washington editor Tom Bethell, not to mention last month's excerpt from David Berlinski. But it's also the place where Richard Hofstadter laid out his seminal thesis on "the paranoid style in American politics"—an analysis of the conspiracy-minded, radical right that might just as well describe today's radical skeptics of science. The essay first appeared in November of 1964, the same year as the first surgeon general's report on the dangers of smoking, and not long before the tobacco companies geared up the machines of manufactured uncertainty.

The paranoid style, Hofstadter wrote, "is nothing if not scholarly in its technique." In his mainstream enemies, the conspiratorial thinker sees "a projection of the self"—he's just like them but more discerning and more rational. Indeed, for the paranoid skeptics, it's not that science is wrong but that the scientists aren't scientific enough. So, Farber complains that AIDS researchers have abandoned the most basic principles of skeptical inquiry; excepting herself and Peter Duesberg, "moral zeal rather than skepticism defines the field." Meanwhile, the doubt-mongers defer to the credentials of academic science even as they question its authority. [That's called a parody of science.] The 9/11 conspiracy theorists rally around a physics professor at a major university; when David Berlinski turns up in Expelled, attention is lavished on his Ivy League bona fides.


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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,17:07   

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That sucks...sorry to here it.

Chortle! I don't usually bother with typos (grammar nazi and all that) as I'm terrible but...Like, I, Like disbelieve FTK.

yeah, don't life suck, some bad things happened to me or somebody I know once too, please don't hate me I'm one of the gang really

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,17:09   

FtK said on the Bathroom Wall:
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Why would you want that?  I didn't say they weren't.  I was merely telling some of the posters here that their dogmatic anti-vaxxing stance may not be completely justified and that they should remain open minded as there still seems to be some studies being done on the subject.


Do you have any evidence that someone here's position on vaccinations is dogmatic, as opposed to being based on evidence? Or is this just more insult and name-calling like the kind that got you sent to the Bathroom Wall? And for pete's sake, would you just retract that business so you can get back to posting normally? Are you just too stubborn to admit you were wrong?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,17:36   

Yes.  She's too stubborn to admit she was wrong.  Or, actually, now that I think about it, she's probably too dense to know that she was wrong.

Secondly, she just likes saying "dogmatic".  She's probably hopping up and down on her left foot, chanting "dogmatic" in  a sing-song voice right now.

Other words she probably sings to her kids:

hominem
Darwin
open
liberal
ad
police
censored
minded
equal
irreducible
blipey
geese
Walt
sigh
troll

You can mix and match any of the above in any order and get an Ftk headline.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,17:45   

FTK:  
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I'll say what I want... when I want.. to whomever I want.

Except you can't say it where you want can you now?



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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2008,17:46   

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The woman irriates me, and I think she's blind to how she comes across to the public (other than hard core Darwinists).

Hear Ye! Hear Ye! On this day the pot announced it's engagement to the kettle.

More news to follow!

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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