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ERV Posts: 329 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,18:18    Dude, John Kwok is seriously one of the funniest mo-fos I have ever met on the internet.  The emails he gets from Dembski... omg... Go vote up his review, if youve bought something from Amazon :)

Altabin Posts: 308 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,18:27    Quote (J-Dog @ Dec. 05 2007,22:37)   Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Dec. 05 2007,15:34) Joseph is an interesting guy     Quote Also there isn’t one peer-reviewed paper that can account for the physiological and anatomical differences observed between allegedly closely related species, such as humans and chimps. The premise that we share a common ancestor with chimps cannot even be tested. see for yourself With insight like his ToE doesn't stand a chance.  You biology, sciency guys better start looking for work. Deep cover puppet?  Can anyone really be that stupid? This is priceless:   Quote I disagree with getawitness. I would say it is in a young scholar’s best interest to publish popular science books. That way he/ she can make their own money to fund their own research and therefore get out of the academic pap that resides at universities. Right.  Good luck with that. That whole thread is ... special. A special thread, for special commenters. Added in edit: "Added in edit" --------------

Altabin Posts: 308 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,18:40    Quote (ERV @ Dec. 06 2007,01:18) Dude, John Kwok is seriously one of the funniest mo-fos I have ever met on the internet.  The emails he gets from Dembski... omg... Go vote up his review, if youve bought something from Amazon :) Dembski not pleased:   Quote Essentially what’s happening is that the Darwinists aren’t even bothering to read the book. If they actually did, then there might be more actual reviews from them. But there just aren’t any. The one review from Kwok is from a man who gives no evidence of having read the book. The kicker is this, however: The Darwinian sympathizers are simply logging in and voting up the 1-star review and voting down the 5-star reviews (in answer to the yes|no question “was this review helpful to you”). That of course takes much less effort than writing a review. What we are witnessing here is lazy Darwinists co-opting the system. But the most awesome part are the tags Kwok and others have added to the book: "breathtaking inanity," "crank," "creationism," "worthless" and, my favorite, "mendacious intellectual porn."  Just to make it easier to search for, y'see. --------------

bfish Posts: 267 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,18:46    Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 05 2007,16:01) I am  not sure what is most interesting about Dembski's latest post about the amazon.com reviews for "The Design of Life." Maybe it is that at least 3 of the 9 positive reviews are by direct Dembski associates (Michael Polanyi Center cohort Bruce L. Gordon,  Discovery Institute chum Casey Luskin, and UD contributor idnet.com.au). And let's not forget that a fourth reviewer, Ralph Seelke was one of the witnesses at the Kansas ID hearings.

tacitus Posts: 118 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,18:48    Hey, s'bin a while since I posted (here, anyway  :D ) but thought I would chip in with my thoughts on geegee. You have to remember that Gonzalez co-wrote The Privileged Planet with the help of Jay Richards, who is another DI fellow, so Gonzales has been fully sold (souled?) out to the DI for a long time now.  His career is well and truly entwined with them (and rapidly downwards now, it seems). The last time I heard Jay Richards, he was on "The Bible Answer Man" (an apologetics show) where the host, Hank Hanegraaff called TPP "an essential resource no Christian should be without". They spent two whole hours explaining how the book (and DVD) validates Christianity.  I wonder if Gonzales remember to include that endorsement in his tenure application? I suspect the rest of the DI doesn't really care about GG's career.  They would shove him under a bus if they thought it would advance the cause of ID.  They don't care about the supposed discrimination against Gonzalez, they just want a judge to tell ISU that they have to take GG's ID-related work into consideration (positively, of course)  so that they can trumpet the acceptance of ID as valid science. (Mind you, any win in court, no matter how narrow, will be spun furiously). What's so funny about the IDists' reaction to all this is that they really believe that without the supposed discrimination against Gonzalez's views on ID, he has a slam dunk case for tenure.  Of course, in their little universe, all of his ID work (including SciAm articles and the book) counts towards it too.  Even when presented with solid evidence refuting their claim, they just cannot see otherwise. I agree with dheddle that Gonzalez's case presents a wonderful opportunity for some Christian college to hire him and perhaps fund him to continue his research into whatever he wants, but isn't it telling that this never seems to happen? Some of the super-rich billionaires in this country are creationists and ID-sympathizers, but it seems that even the arch-PRists of the DI can't prise any money from their tightly clenched fists.  Of course, perhaps it's because they can't think of anything to spend the money on in the first place?!  Funding Gonzalez privately should be an opportunity for the DI that's too good to pass up... but why do I get the feeling nothing's going to happen...again??

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,18:50    Quote (bfish @ Dec. 05 2007,18:46) Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 05 2007,16:01) I am  not sure what is most interesting about Dembski's latest post about the amazon.com reviews for "The Design of Life." Maybe it is that at least 3 of the 9 positive reviews are by direct Dembski associates (Michael Polanyi Center cohort Bruce L. Gordon,  Discovery Institute chum Casey Luskin, and UD contributor idnet.com.au). And let's not forget that a fourth reviewer, Ralph Seelke was one of the witnesses at the Kansas ID hearings. Finally, ID has put forth some peer-reviewed material. Maybe they can submit Exploring Evolution to HOT or NOT for peer review. -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,18:59    Man, that site is warped. The first picture I got was a girl who was clearly rather normal-looking, but photographed well in soft-focus black and white wearing good clothes. And she has a 9.4? That's not fair, she's probably a six or seven at best without a camera and time to pose. God, hotornot.com people have no taste! -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,19:00    Quote (ERV @ Dec. 05 2007,18:18) Dude, John Kwok is seriously one of the funniest mo-fos I have ever met on the internet.   I'll say this about Kwok, he can certainly turn a phrase.  The description of ID as creationism in a cheap tuxedo used to be my favorite description. It has now been replaced with John's tagging ID as a "narrow, tormented version of a Christian origin myth." Quote The emails he gets from Dembski... omg... Tease. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,19:03    Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 05 2007,18:59) Man, that site is warped. The first picture I got was a girl who was clearly rather normal-looking, but photographed well in soft-focus black and white wearing good clothes. And she has a 9.4? That's not fair, she's probably a six or seven at best without a camera and time to pose. God, hotornot.com people have no taste! And Anny *knows* hot girls... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,19:07    Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 05 2007,18:50) Finally, ID has put forth some peer-reviewed material. Maybe they can submit Exploring Evolution to HOT or NOT for peer review. Already been done.   Source: RTH's 1000th Post -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,19:15    Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 05 2007,19:07) Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 05 2007,18:50) Finally, ID has put forth some peer-reviewed material. Maybe they can submit Exploring Evolution to HOT or NOT for peer review. Already been done.   Source: RTH's 1000th Post NOW, PEIR REVYUW. I HAS IT. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,19:21    Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 05 2007,19:03) Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 05 2007,18:59) Man, that site is warped. The first picture I got was a girl who was clearly rather normal-looking, but photographed well in soft-focus black and white wearing good clothes. And she has a 9.4? That's not fair, she's probably a six or seven at best without a camera and time to pose. God, hotornot.com people have no taste! And Anny *knows* hot girls... If you want to see people with no taste, check out Hot Chicks with Douchebags (NOTE: Might be NSFW, depending on what's on the front page). HCWDB is to douches what AtBC is to The Argument Regarding Design. -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,19:26    Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 05 2007,19:07) Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 05 2007,18:50) Finally, ID has put forth some peer-reviewed material. Maybe they can submit Exploring Evolution to HOT or NOT for peer review. Already been done.   Source: RTH's 1000th Post I'm guessing all the "NOT" votes came from Eskimo women. -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

ERV Posts: 329 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,19:31    Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 05 2007,19:00)     Quote (ERV @ Dec. 05 2007,18:18) Dude, John Kwok is seriously one of the funniest mo-fos I have ever met on the internet.   I'll say this about Kwok, he can certainly turn a phrase.  The description of ID as creationism in a cheap tuxedo used to be my favorite description. It has now been replaced with John's tagging ID as a "narrow, tormented version of a Christian origin myth."       Quote The emails he gets from Dembski... omg... Tease. Official emails are being held hostage, just in case Dembski decides to publish Johns emails on his blog-- But John sent me an official press release that I could post.  If you know John, or read a few of his reviews and get his humor, this is the funniest shit ever.  But the main thing is, Dembski boasted (even after this Texas Board of Education stuff) that he had principals in TX that refused to let students learn evolution.  Didnt name any names, of course, and he could be lying.     Quote Former paleobiologist - and frequent Amazon.com contributor - John Kwok has shared with me some private e-mail correspondence that he received from one William Dembski. When John observed that the current principal of his high school alma mater, New York City's prestigious Stuyvesant High School, pledged to a gathering of its alumni back in 2005 (around the time of the Dover, PA trial) that Intelligent Design wouldn't be taught at all at Stuyvesant as long as he served as its principal, Dembski replied by noting that he had school principals in Texas who wouldn't teach contemporary evolutionary theory, but instead, Intelligent Design. John wrote back, noting that Stuyvesant's principal teaches one class of senior-level physics to entering freshman (Stuyvesant High School is regarded by many as America's premier high school devoted to the sciences, mathematics and engineering; among its many distinguished alumni are four Nobel Prize-winning scientists and one economist.). Among John's many Amazon.com reviews are quite a few critical of Intelligent Design and other flavors of creationism, most notably, his harsh - but accurate - review of Michael Behe's "The Edge of Evolution" that's entitled, "The Abyss of Reason: The Limits of Michael Behe's Scientific Thinking". Johns humor is like Steven Wrights.  Once you 'get it', its painfully funny.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,19:41    Is Texas more backwards that Kansas? Apologies to rational denizens thereof.. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,19:55    Quote (ERV @ Dec. 05 2007,19:31) Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 05 2007,19:00)     Quote (ERV @ Dec. 05 2007,18:18) Dude, John Kwok is seriously one of the funniest mo-fos I have ever met on the internet.   I'll say this about Kwok, he can certainly turn a phrase.  The description of ID as creationism in a cheap tuxedo used to be my favorite description. It has now been replaced with John's tagging ID as a "narrow, tormented version of a Christian origin myth."       Quote The emails he gets from Dembski... omg... Tease. Official emails are being held hostage, just in case Dembski decides to publish Johns emails on his blog-- But John sent me an official press release that I could post.  If you know John, or read a few of his reviews and get his humor, this is the funniest shit ever.  But the main thing is, Dembski boasted (even after this Texas Board of Education stuff) that he had principals in TX that refused to let students learn evolution.  Didnt name any names, of course, and he could be lying.     Quote Former paleobiologist - and frequent Amazon.com contributor - John Kwok has shared with me some private e-mail correspondence that he received from one William Dembski. When John observed that the current principal of his high school alma mater, New York City's prestigious Stuyvesant High School, pledged to a gathering of its alumni back in 2005 (around the time of the Dover, PA trial) that Intelligent Design wouldn't be taught at all at Stuyvesant as long as he served as its principal, Dembski replied by noting that he had school principals in Texas who wouldn't teach contemporary evolutionary theory, but instead, Intelligent Design. John wrote back, noting that Stuyvesant's principal teaches one class of senior-level physics to entering freshman (Stuyvesant High School is regarded by many as America's premier high school devoted to the sciences, mathematics and engineering; among its many distinguished alumni are four Nobel Prize-winning scientists and one economist.). Among John's many Amazon.com reviews are quite a few critical of Intelligent Design and other flavors of creationism, most notably, his harsh - but accurate - review of Michael Behe's "The Edge of Evolution" that's entitled, "The Abyss of Reason: The Limits of Michael Behe's Scientific Thinking". Johns humor is like Steven Wrights.  Once you 'get it', its painfully funny. Yeah, I first read John Kwok back when Behe got his crap out, and he is very good.  I tried to invite him here, but hadn't bought any books from Amazon recently enough to get through. If you can get through, please pass our best wishes on and pass an invite along. (after he vists ERV of course) -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,20:01    Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 05 2007,19:41) Is Texas more backwards that Kansas? Apologies to rational denizens thereof.. I don't doubt for a minute that there are public schools in Texas where creationism is part of the science curriculum, but what flies in, say, Odessa won't necessarily fly in Laredo. Here in Corpus Christi, there's never been much of controversy about evolution in the schools. About ten years ago, it was discovered that a parent had complained about The Diary of Anne Frank in a Junior High library and the librarian removed the book without any sort of review. Once it was made public, the book was returned to the shelves, pronto. More recently, a local pentecostal church tried to get the Harry Potter books removed from school libraries, and the school district told them - in polite terms - that the church members were more than welcome not to read the books. There are parts of Texas that make Kansas look enlightened by comparison, but for the most part, we're a fairly sane bunch. -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,20:10    Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 05 2007,20:01) There are parts of Texas that make Kansas look enlightened by comparison, but for the most part, we're a fairly sane bunch. Pffft.  It is so windy here in Oklahoma because Texas blows and Kansas sucks. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,20:15    Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 05 2007,21:10) Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 05 2007,20:01) There are parts of Texas that make Kansas look enlightened by comparison, but for the most part, we're a fairly sane bunch. Pffft.  It is so windy here in Oklahoma because Texas blows and Kansas sucks. Funny, the way I heard it was that Texas used to be an island in the Gulf, but Oklahoma really, really sucks. ETA:  Similarly, I've heard that Pennsylvania used to be a Midwestern state, but Jersey... well, you know. Edited by Lou FCD on Dec. 05 2007,21:17 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,20:16    Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 05 2007,20:10) Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 05 2007,20:01) There are parts of Texas that make Kansas look enlightened by comparison, but for the most part, we're a fairly sane bunch. Pffft.  It is so windy here in Oklahoma because Texas blows and Kansas sucks. Hey, now! I hear they're raising the drinking age in Oklahoma to 25 in order to keep alcohol out of the elementary schools. -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

The Wayward Hammer Posts: 64 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,20:57    Now, now. Having lived in Missouri, Illinois, Texas and West Virginia I can say that, by far, the worst place to live is Oklahoma. Or Wales.  I mean, isn't Louis Welsh?

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,21:04    The tard is strong with this one. Quote As an ID supporter I predict that there will be extra genes in Baboon E Coli and extra genes in Human E Coli but that the origin of these functioning genes will be gene transfer. There should be some random neutral mutations in the other E Coli genes as there have been about 730X10^6 generations of separate development. Of special interest would be the flagellar genes. What do you think of my predictions? Can ID make predictions? Is ID testable? Will anyone do this experiment? That would, in fact ... be normal biology. There's nothing to do with intelligence or design in these predictions whatsoever. Also, there's basically no supporting argument for them, this is just a list of changes based upon dead guesswork. Guessing at random and hoping you're right != a scientific prediction. Watch the cheerleaders over there go "ZOMG such genius, Darwinists are teh cowardly and merely not studying E coli enough to prove us right!" -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Altabin Posts: 308 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,21:10    Quote (The Wayward Hammer @ Dec. 06 2007,03:57) Or Wales.  I mean, isn't Louis Welsh? Yes.  He is.  Very much so. "Added in edit."™ --------------

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,21:15    is anyone else seeing weird shit going on over there right now?  all the 'recent comments' have disappeared, and when i tried to comment it gave me the old 'you are posting too quickly' shtick.  except i wasn't.  you know.  and it persisted.   WTF?  is davetard passed out on the keyboard?  perhaps it looks like this over there on his screen Quote ds aaaagjkkjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj and stuff.  i wish they would post that.  how is THAT for CSI?  nominally emergent, non-aggregative, causally incompressible and crucial to robust higher level generalizations.  THAT my friends is what we call (at least) weak emergence. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,21:21    Annyday, that post by id.net.com.fu is an absolute jewel. And the tard quickly flows Quote brilliant!!! I doubt that darwinist community will even acknowledge those hypotheses! i guess that is what the blinders of materialism will do for you! even if they do, its still E coli, it’s not like it sprouted wings and started living in trees or anything. I think these guys believe that Spiderman is a documentary. WTF?  Spiderman AINT NO documentary?  Shit. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,21:31    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 05 2007,21:21) Annyday, that post by id.net.com.fu is an absolute jewel. And the tard quickly flows   Quote brilliant!!! I doubt that darwinist community will even acknowledge those hypotheses! i guess that is what the blinders of materialism will do for you! even if they do, its still E coli, it’s not like it sprouted wings and started living in trees or anything. I think these guys believe that Spiderman is a documentary. WTF?  Spiderman AINT NO documentary?  Shit. X-Men would have been a more appropriate reference, but it probably would not have made it past born^again's Nan^ny Fil^ter. -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,21:40    not edited -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,21:42    Rude explains how books are evaluated at UD: Quote My copy came in from Amazon yesterday and I’ve only had time for a very brief perusal. But it looks absolutely great. It covers all the basics, is well organized, well written, and esthetically pleasing. It’d make a great text book. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Altabin Posts: 308 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,21:42    Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 06 2007,04:04) The tard is strong with this one.   Quote As an ID supporter I predict that there will be extra genes in Baboon E Coli and extra genes in Human E Coli but that the origin of these functioning genes will be gene transfer. There should be some random neutral mutations in the other E Coli genes as there have been about 730X10^6 generations of separate development. Of special interest would be the flagellar genes. What do you think of my predictions? Can ID make predictions? Is ID testable? Will anyone do this experiment? That would, in fact ... be normal biology. There's nothing to do with intelligence or design in these predictions whatsoever. Also, there's basically no supporting argument for them, this is just a list of changes based upon dead guesswork. Guessing at random and hoping you're right != a scientific prediction. Watch the cheerleaders over there go "ZOMG such genius, Darwinists are teh cowardly and merely not studying E coli enough to prove us right!" WTF kind of a prediction is "Of special interest would be the flagellar genes"?  What would they look like if they weren't of special interest? Edited because editing is teh sexi. --------------

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2007,21:53    Quote (Altabin @ Dec. 05 2007,21:42) Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 06 2007,04:04) The tard is strong with this one.     Quote As an ID supporter I predict that there will be extra genes in Baboon E Coli and extra genes in Human E Coli but that the origin of these functioning genes will be gene transfer. There should be some random neutral mutations in the other E Coli genes as there have been about 730X10^6 generations of separate development. Of special interest would be the flagellar genes. What do you think of my predictions? Can ID make predictions? Is ID testable? Will anyone do this experiment? That would, in fact ... be normal biology. There's nothing to do with intelligence or design in these predictions whatsoever. Also, there's basically no supporting argument for them, this is just a list of changes based upon dead guesswork. Guessing at random and hoping you're right != a scientific prediction. Watch the cheerleaders over there go "ZOMG such genius, Darwinists are teh cowardly and merely not studying E coli enough to prove us right!" WTF kind of a prediction is "Of special interest would be the flagellar genes"?  What would they look like if they weren't of special interest? Edited because editing is teh sexi. Only the most important kind of prediction EVER. The big prediction around which all of ID revolves- "Evolution can't do stuff." "Do stuff" this time means "evolve a flagellum" again, it's just being written badly. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

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