RSS 2.0 Feed

» Welcome Guest Log In :: Register

Pages: (121) < ... 17 18 19 20 21 [22] 23 24 25 26 27 ... >   
  Topic: Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed., Sternberg, Gonzalez, Crocker - A film< Next Oldest | Next Newest >  
Nomad



Posts: 302
Joined: July 2007

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,01:01   

I am just beside myself with the story from Minnesota.  Had I known I would have driven for six hours each way to get there to participate in this.  I would have figured out a way to surreptitiously record the after movie festivities (so that there was no copyright violation that could be claimed) for those unable to attend.


Regarding what it took for me to get in, no, no passes or anything.  I signed up through the online form.  They emailed confirmation forms that many people printed out and brought in, but the forms didn't seem to count for anything, in the end all that mattered was that they had your name on a list (sorted by first instead of last name) and you could prove that you were who you said you were.  They made a point about being strict with the list, if you had signed up for three people total and brought one extra the extra guest absolutely would not be admitted.  Despite this the theater wasn't jam packed as you'd expect, they seemed to leave about a third of it unoccupied.  Or else that many people didn't show up.

I do know how religious pressure can effect the movie biz.  I still remember the story about the IMAX movie about life in the ocean being kept out of theaters in the South because of religious pressure (since the movie mentioned evolution and we can't have that in our public entertainment, although we can have Jesus being whipped and crucified).
But this still seems like a new low, kicking a scientifically literate individual out of an entire theater.  Oh producers, your cowardice is showing.  May I remind you that you told my group that you WANT to get discussions going, you want people to disagree with you.  The way you explained it, you were all about getting the dialog started.

Not having hired thugs kicking out the very people that you interviewed.

Not that I'm complaining.  It wouldn't have been near this glorious if everyone had gotten in, no questions asked.  It's much more fun when you kick out feared dissidents who want to see the movie that accuses others of kicking out dissidents.  Irony like that could be bottled and sold for $100 an ounce.

  
Jason Spaceman



Posts: 163
Joined: Nov. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,01:05   

Dawkins Crashes 'Expelled' Party

Quote
Mark Moring

Noted Darwinist shows up uninvited at private screening of Intelligent Design documentary.

Expelled, a new documentary that argues the case for Intelligent Design from a Judeo-Christian perspective, has been in the headlines lately, prior to its April 18 theatrical release.

The film, hosted and narrated by Ben Stein, has been screened to invitation-only audiences at churches and for various Christian groups. But several critics have worked their way in to some of the screenings, most notably Roger Moore of The Orlando Sentinel, who recently trashed the movie in his blog.

A critic of another kind "crashed" a screening in Minnesota on Thursday night--Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion and arguably the most outspoken critic of Intelligent Design and Creationism. Dawkins himself appears in the documentary--but claims he was duped into believing it was going to be an objective account of Darwinism vs. ID.

Jeffrey Overstreet, a film critic for CT Movies, broke the news on his own blog Thursday night after receiving an e-mail from a college student who was at the screening.

Stuart Blessman, the University of Minnesota-Twin Cities student, told Overstreet in the e-mail that Dawkins' appearance "was quite a surprise" to both the audience and associate producer Mark Mathis, who fielded questions afterward.

Blessman reported that Dawkins asked several questions, and complained that "any statement he made in the film was in fact under the assumption that he was being interviewed . . . for a film that was to take an even-handed look at the Intelligent Design/Evolution controversy."

   
Kristine



Posts: 3037
Joined: Sep. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,01:16   

I wonder if they'll take that "click here for a free screening" web page down now.

--------------
Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip?

AtBC Poet Laureate

"I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive

"Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

  
tacitus



Posts: 118
Joined: May 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,01:53   

Wesley, while "crossroadsthemovie.com" wasn't reserved, it is possible that they reserved another combination of name and extension (e.g. crossroads-the-movie.net).

However, if that's the case, they should have no problem telling us what domain name they did choose so we can look up the details of when they registered it, so don't let them get away with waffling about inaccurate domain names.

Either way, nice work.

  
Buzz Parsec



Posts: 1
Joined: Mar. 2008

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,02:45   

Crossroads?  Innocuous?  I must dispute that.  The Crossroads is where the supreme being (Robert Johnson) and his acolyte (Eric Clapton, aka God) sold their souls to the devil!  :p

  
Mister DNA



Posts: 466
Joined: June 2007

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,02:49   

Quote (Jason Spaceman @ Mar. 21 2008,01:05)
Dawkins Crashes 'Expelled' Party

Quote
Mark Moring

Noted Darwinist shows up uninvited at private screening of Intelligent Design documentary.

Expelled, a new documentary that argues the case for Intelligent Design from a Judeo-Christian perspective, has been in the headlines lately, prior to its April 18 theatrical release.

The film, hosted and narrated by Ben Stein, has been screened to invitation-only audiences at churches and for various Christian groups. But several critics have worked their way in to some of the screenings, most notably Roger Moore of The Orlando Sentinel, who recently trashed the movie in his blog.

A critic of another kind "crashed" a screening in Minnesota on Thursday night--Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion and arguably the most outspoken critic of Intelligent Design and Creationism. Dawkins himself appears in the documentary--but claims he was duped into believing it was going to be an objective account of Darwinism vs. ID.

Jeffrey Overstreet, a film critic for CT Movies, broke the news on his own blog Thursday night after receiving an e-mail from a college student who was at the screening.

Stuart Blessman, the University of Minnesota-Twin Cities student, told Overstreet in the e-mail that Dawkins' appearance "was quite a surprise" to both the audience and associate producer Mark Mathis, who fielded questions afterward.

Blessman reported that Dawkins asked several questions, and complained that "any statement he made in the film was in fact under the assumption that he was being interviewed . . . for a film that was to take an even-handed look at the Intelligent Design/Evolution controversy."

Too bad the comments are moderated at CT's blog. It looks like Mark Moring is going to wake up tomorrow and find a buttload of comments with links to Pharyngula.

--------------
CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog
Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

    
Wesley R. Elsberry



Posts: 4465
Joined: May 2002

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,03:00   

Quote (tacitus @ Mar. 21 2008,01:53)
Wesley, while "crossroadsthemovie.com" wasn't reserved, it is possible that they reserved another combination of name and extension (e.g. crossroads-the-movie.net).

However, if that's the case, they should have no problem telling us what domain name they did choose so we can look up the details of when they registered it, so don't let them get away with waffling about inaccurate domain names.

Either way, nice work.

Neither "crossroadsthemovie.*" nor "crossroads-the-movie.*" show any sign of anybody registering such a domain.

--------------
"You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

    
midwifetoad



Posts: 3545
Joined: Mar. 2008

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,03:21   

Perhaps they had to drop Crossroads as the title because they couldn't get Britney Spears to narrate.

--------------
”let’s not make a joke of ourselves.”

Pat Robertson

  
Annyday



Posts: 583
Joined: Nov. 2007

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,03:28   

IIRC, it's been mentioned that they had information regarding the supposed "crossroads" film at rampantfilms.com for the benefit of those they were interviewing. It's gone now, at any rate. This doesn't do much to mitigate the oddness of registering expelledthemovie in advance, but hey.

--------------
"ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

  
Reed



Posts: 274
Joined: Feb. 2008

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,03:42   

[quote=Mister DNA,Mar. 21 2008,00:49]
Quote (Jason Spaceman @ Mar. 21 2008,01:05)
Dawkins Crashes 'Expelled' Party

Too bad the comments are moderated at CT's blog. It looks like Mark Moring is going to wake up tomorrow and find a buttload of comments with links to Pharyngula.

As I noted over on pharyngula, the CT post has mutated been intelligently modified to link to PZs account, even though no comments have appeared, and the text doesn't mention any updates.

  
slpage



Posts: 349
Joined: June 2004

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,07:56   

Where is the "libral' media" in all this?  This sounds like at least page 2 material to me....

  
1of63



Posts: 126
Joined: Dec. 2007

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,08:05   

Crossroads was also the name of a long-running British TV soap, notable for bad scripts, bad acting, shaky sets and improbable storylines...hmm, that sounds familiar...

--------------
I set expectations at zero, and FL limbos right under them. - Tracy P. Hamilton

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



Posts: 4999
Joined: July 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,08:22   

Quote (1of63 @ Mar. 21 2008,08:05)
Crossroads was also the name of a long-running British TV soap, notable for bad scripts, bad acting, shaky sets and improbable storylines...hmm, that sounds familiar...

Crossroads also had a somewhat, er, simple character in it

Is Benny DaveScot?

--------------
I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
AJ Milne



Posts: 1
Joined: Jan. 2008

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,08:53   

Man, I wish I lived in Minnesota. All the cool shit happens there.

Seriously, this is just too sweet. Fear the Minnesota biology prof. Fear him![I]

   
Doc Bill



Posts: 1000
Joined: April 2007

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,09:23   

I would have driven from Houston just to watch PZ get expelled and DAWKINS get in!

Oh, that's rich!  Kick out PZ and let in Dawkins!

I'm laughing, I'm crying.  And "they" wonder why we call them IDiots.

Too, too good.  This is legend.

  
guthrie



Posts: 696
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,09:29   

Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 20 2008,22:49)
The only reason that they didn't throw Dawkins out is that they were apparently too fucking stupid to recognize him! They didn't even recognize him when he sat through the film - not until he rose to speak, after being called on - by said producer, MARK MATHIS - at the Q&A. Holy shit, the blood drained from his face then! :angry:

Just for clarification purposes- Mathis didn't even seem to know Dawkins was there, so the blood drained from his face when Dawkins revealed himself?

Maybe someone needs to speak to the people checking the list of names, so as to clear up why "Richard Dawkins" was allowed in...

  
Mr_Christopher



Posts: 1238
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,09:42   

I am so sad they are not showing this piece of shit in Dallas.  Sounds like it would be a hoot.

I'd go as a catholic priest and hide a camera in my dress or whatever it is those guys wear.

--------------
Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



Posts: 4465
Joined: May 2002

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,10:16   

I've signed up for the March 26th screening at the AMC 20 in Livonia, MI. It's conveniently near Costco, so if they haven't bumped me off the list before then, I can at least get some shopping done for my trouble.

Is there anyone else who might care to sign up for this screening? I'd like there to be a truthful witness or two for whatever might happen.

--------------
"You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

    
midwifetoad



Posts: 3545
Joined: Mar. 2008

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,10:24   

Quote (guthrie @ Mar. 21 2008,09:29)
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 20 2008,22:49)
The only reason that they didn't throw Dawkins out is that they were apparently too fucking stupid to recognize him! They didn't even recognize him when he sat through the film - not until he rose to speak, after being called on - by said producer, MARK MATHIS - at the Q&A. Holy shit, the blood drained from his face then! :angry:

Just for clarification purposes- Mathis didn't even seem to know Dawkins was there, so the blood drained from his face when Dawkins revealed himself?

Maybe someone needs to speak to the people checking the list of names, so as to clear up why "Richard Dawkins" was allowed in...

This has a fairly simple and rational explanation. Myers lives in the town and could be expected to show up. He signed up online under his own name, plus unnamed guests.

So they had his name and a reason to look for him before he showed up.

--------------
”let’s not make a joke of ourselves.”

Pat Robertson

  
Bob O'H



Posts: 1956
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,10:39   

Quote
Is there anyone else who might care to sign up for this screening? I'd like there to be a truthful witness or two for whatever might happen.

Or to hold you back if you get too irate?  :-)

--------------
ID theorists don’t postulate a designer for their arguments. - Crandaddy
There is no connection between a peppered moth, natural selection, and religion that I can see. - FtK

   
Nerull



Posts: 317
Joined: June 2007

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,10:43   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 21 2008,11:24)
Quote (guthrie @ Mar. 21 2008,09:29)
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 20 2008,22:49)
The only reason that they didn't throw Dawkins out is that they were apparently too fucking stupid to recognize him! They didn't even recognize him when he sat through the film - not until he rose to speak, after being called on - by said producer, MARK MATHIS - at the Q&A. Holy shit, the blood drained from his face then! :angry:

Just for clarification purposes- Mathis didn't even seem to know Dawkins was there, so the blood drained from his face when Dawkins revealed himself?

Maybe someone needs to speak to the people checking the list of names, so as to clear up why "Richard Dawkins" was allowed in...

This has a fairly simple and rational explanation. Myers lives in the town and could be expected to show up. He signed up online under his own name, plus unnamed guests.

So they had his name and a reason to look for him before he showed up.

Well, actually he lives on the other side of the state, several hours away.

--------------
To rebut creationism you pretty much have to be a biologist, chemist, geologist, philosopher, lawyer and historian all rolled into one. While to advocate creationism, you just have to be an idiot. -- tommorris

   
Wesley R. Elsberry



Posts: 4465
Joined: May 2002

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,10:51   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 21 2008,10:39)
Quote
Is there anyone else who might care to sign up for this screening? I'd like there to be a truthful witness or two for whatever might happen.

Or to hold you back if you get too irate?  :-)

Who, me?

I've been in proximity to Bill Dembski several times without blowing a gasket. Can Mark Mathis and Ben Stein exceed that level of provocation?

--------------
"You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

    
carlsonjok



Posts: 3324
Joined: May 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,10:56   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 21 2008,10:51)
I've been in proximity to Bill Dembski several times without blowing a gasket. Can Mark Mathis and Ben Stein exceed that level of provocation?

Well, given the respective amount of skin shown, I would have to say that Ben Stein's shorts are more provocative than Dembski's sweater.

Or were you using a different definition of provocative?

--------------
It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



Posts: 4465
Joined: May 2002

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,11:05   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 21 2008,10:56)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 21 2008,10:51)
I've been in proximity to Bill Dembski several times without blowing a gasket. Can Mark Mathis and Ben Stein exceed that level of provocation?

Well, given the respective amount of skin shown, I would have to say that Ben Stein's shorts are more provocative than Dembski's sweater.

Or were you using a different definition of provocative?

Ewwww.

--------------
"You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

    
Louis



Posts: 6436
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,11:20   

Pharyngula ii. Legi. Cachinnavi*

"Moronic paranoia" thy name is, Mathis.

What a bunch of loons. Only one comment is worthy of this kind of epic cock up by the IDCist clowns:

All your base are belong to us.

With enemies like this, who needs friends?

Louis

* I went to Pharyngula. I read. I laughed out loud.

How wise were our Roman ancestors to actually have a specific verb for "laugh out loud"? Cachinno, cachinnare, cachinnavi, cachinnatus sum. Learn it well my friends, we will be needing it a great deal.

Editerisated for speelung ererz

--------------
Bye.

  
Amadan



Posts: 1239
Joined: Jan. 2007

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,12:28   

The Ballad of PZ Myers and Richard Dawkins
(To the tune of ‘The Mountains of Mourne’)


They say that Expelled is a wonderful flick
With its tales of shenanigans academic.
It shows evolution is really the cause
Of Hitler and Stalin and no Santa Claus.
It tells of the virtues of freedom of speech -
Professors should feel free to preach when they teach;
But the best bit occurs just before it begins
When PZ gets chucked out but Dawkins gets in.

Ben Stein is the picture’s amazing compère
He interviews Dawkins without being there!
He’d never go mining for quotes or mislead -
They have a scriptwriter who’s paid for that deed!
As a Nixon appointee, you’d think that Ben Stein
Would know that the cover-up’s worse than the crime.
But it seems that hypocrisy isn’t a sin,
So PZ got chucked out though Dawkins got in.

On the Last Day a trumpet will waken the dead
We’ll account then for all that we did and we said.
And the Lord will say “Ev’ryone who saw Expelled,
For supporting that rubbish, in Hell will be held!
But the rest of you people, untouched by its slime
Can join me in Heaven and have a great time.
Our movie tonight is Inherit the Wind:
So for Dawkins, damnation, but PZ, come in!”



Edited by Lou FCD on Mar. 25 2008,09:12

--------------
"People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011
JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
JohnW



Posts: 2198
Joined: Aug. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,12:36   

Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 21 2008,10:28)
The Ballad of PZ Myers and Richard Dawkins
(To the tune of ‘The Mountains of Mourne’)


They say that Expelled is a wonderful flick
With its tales of shenanigans academic.
It shows evolution is really the cause
Of Hitler and Stalin and no Santa Claus.
It tells of the virtues of freedom of speech -
Professors should feel free to preach when they teach;
But the best bit occurs just before it begins
When PZ gets chucked out but Dawkins gets in.

Ben Stein is the picture’s amazing compère
He interviews Dawkins without being there!
He’d never go mining for quotes or mislead -
They have a scriptwriter who’s paid for that deed!
As a Nixon appointee, you’d think that Ben Stein
Would know that the cover-up’s worse than the crime.
But it seems that hypocrisy isn’t a sin,
So PZ got chucked out though Dawkins got in.

On the Last Day a trumpet will waken the dead
We’ll account then for all that we did and we said.
And the Lord will say “Ev’ryone who saw Expelled,
For supporting that rubbish, in Hell will be held!
But the rest of you people, untouched by its slime
Can join me in Heaven and have a great time.
Our movie tonight is Inherit the Wind:
So for Dawkins, damnation, but PZ, come in!”

POTW.  Also next week, and the week after that.

--------------
Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it.
- Robert Byers

  
Glen Davidson



Posts: 752
Joined: May 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,12:44   

I went and gloated at Kevin's website.  I wouldn't repeat the gloating here without an excuse, but the fact is that his site is sticky (accidental, or on purpose?), and I don't trust him.  So, I'm repeating all of the posts I wrote there (including some stuff where I thought I'd made a mistake, then realized I didn't), except the last post I used simply to access them.  One added comment is inserted in brackets, second paragraph down:

 
Quote
So, you expelled my answers to javascript on your blog, and you expelled a link to them here.

What did you think I'd do, Kevin, let you act like the hypocrite you are? You do know, don't you, that I found and splashed the rsvp site for "Expelled" over the web, which appears to have led to this [I don't know for sure, but that's how it looks to me from the comments I saw]. I might have anyway, but I happened to have it in for you guys much more once you censored me while hypocritically whining about others censoring (even though they're not).

Posted by: Glen Davidson | March 21, 2008 at 09:41 AM

Well, you didn't censor my comments from your personal blog, but from the "Expelled" blog--just to be clear.

Posted by: Glen Davidson | March 21, 2008 at 09:43 AM


Ha, you jackass, now you're censoring my posts from here. Christ, you must feel like the dirt that you are.

Posted by: Glen Davidson | March 21, 2008 at 09:53 AM

Oh, sorry, I guess it's still there. Oh well, time for the sackcloth.

Posted by: Glen Davidson | March 21, 2008 at 09:54 AM

(The fact that the page hadn't renewed is why I made the mistake I did, so I was writing on a page where my posts were missing, and then they showed up when I posted.

(Still my error, of course, since I should have tried renewing the page)

Posted by: Glen Davidson | March 21, 2008 at 09:58 AM

Actually, now that I've come in here again, I'm pretty sure that I did renew the page, but this site is sticky. The fact is that my posts simply did not show (the sackcloth comes off).

Is there something wrong with the site, or is this some kind of shenanigans?

Posted by: Glen Davidson | March 21, 2008 at 10:11 AM


I know it's all pretty much a tempest in a teapot, even though we're enjoying it all now.  But I do think that the responses to Expelled will be more direct and prompt due to such "crashings."  Perhaps more important, the fact that it's boring, something the preachers and the like don't generally point out, will be publicized.

I just hope that we don't have so much fun at their expense that the film begins to look interesting to the general public.

Glen D

--------------
http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p

Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

   
Glen Davidson



Posts: 752
Joined: May 2006

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,16:54   

This is great.  The first little bit identifying the newspaper is mine, as are the comments at the end:

   
Quote
The St. Paul Pioneer Press, a fairly substantial newspaper, reports on the Myers/Dawkins matter:

   
Quote
By Chris Hewitt chewitt@pioneerpress.com Article Last Updated: 03/21/2008 04:25:12 PM CDT

It's almost too perfect: P.Z. Myers tried to see the movie, "Expelled," at the Mall of America Thursday.

But he was expelled.

"Expelled," subtitled "No Intelligence Allowed," is the controversial film that argues schools should be teaching creationism as an alternative to evolution. Myers, an associate professor of biology at the University of Minnesota-Morris -- and, more to the point, a prominent atheist -- was interviewed for "Expelled" last April, although he says he was told the film was an evenhanded look at the intersection of science and religion and was to be called "Crossroads."

Myers was in the Twin Cities this week for the American Atheists Conference 2008 in Minneapolis and, coincidentally, he learned there was to be a free screening of "Expelled" at the Mall of America Thursday night. So he registered to attend with his wife, Mary, along with what Myers called "a whole parade of atheists," including internationally famous science writer, Richard Dawkins, whose books include "The God Delusion."

They all got in, but Myers did not.

The filmmakers had been advertising it. They'd been sending out e-mails to people who subscribed to their Web site and all you had to do to go was click on the site and tell how many guests you were going to bring," said Myers, who did just that. "I wanted to be completely above-board. I signed under my own name and I didn't think they would object because, after all, I am in the movie."

At about 7:15 p.m., 15 minutes before showtime, Myers was informed that "Expelled" was expelling him. Myers believes Mark Mathis, who interviewed him for the film "under false pretenses," and who was in attendance at the Mall of America, recognized his name and barred him from attending (attendees had to show identification before being admitted).

"It shows off the hypocrisy of these people, as well as their outright incompetence," said Myers, who reports that his blog -- scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/ -- had an all-time high-traffic day Friday. "I could not imagine a better result for this. They've shown themselves to be completely dishonest and that they're trying to hide the truth about their movie, which is to my advantage. And they've shown themselves to be such flaming idiots."

Ironically, Mathis did not recognize Dawkins, who also is in the film and who says Mathis "tricked" him into an interview.

"What surprised me is it is a really lousy film, even if you happen to agree with it," said Dawkins, who took advantage of a question-and-answer session after the screening to ask why Myers wasn't allowed in. "P.Z. is in the film extensively. If anyone had a right to see the film, it was him. The incompetence, on a public relations level, is beyond belief."

Although he hasn't seen the movie, Myers said his wife confirmed what he has heard about it: "She said they would have a biologist talking about evolution and they would intercut that with lots of shots of the Nazi Holocaust, so it's a blatant appeal to emotions. It's propaganda, and it's trying to associate us with acts that, obviously, neither Richard Dawkins nor I would call good or would associate with science."

Representatives of Motive Marketing, a specialist in marketing such faith-based films as "The Passion of the Christ" and "The Chronicles of Narnia," did not return phone calls about Myer's claims and about his barring from the film (they had previously attempted to bar Orlando film critic Roger Moore from a screening, but he got in, anyway). In any case, Myers will probably have to wait to see himself on-screen until the movie opens April 18, nationwide.

In the meantime, Myers is entertained by this irony: "Expelled's" closing credits include a thank-you to him. So he knows the filmmakers are grateful for the couple of hours he gave them last year. Just not grateful enough to let him see their movie.

http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_8653837


Pretty good stuff, if you ask me.

I don't know if I really like "Expelled" getting this publicity just now, however. But at least it's bad publicity, and even if it helps the movie sell, it'll look like the intellectual debacle that it actually is.

Glen D


--------------
http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p

Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

   
tacitus



Posts: 118
Joined: May 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2008,17:15   

Quote (1of63 @ Mar. 21 2008,08:05)
Crossroads was also the name of a long-running British TV soap, notable for bad scripts, bad acting, shaky sets and improbable storylines...hmm, that sounds familiar...

Dammit.  I can't get that stupid Crossroads theme tune out of my head now (and it hasn't even been on the telly for 20 years now!).  Thanks a bunch!

  
  3600 replies since Aug. 12 2007,07:23 < Next Oldest | Next Newest >  

Pages: (121) < ... 17 18 19 20 21 [22] 23 24 25 26 27 ... >   


Track this topic Email this topic Print this topic

[ Read the Board Rules ] | [Useful Links] | [Evolving Designs]