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skeptic griggsy



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2006,07:54   

Theistic evolution is an oxymoron, because it conflates natural selection [causalism] and telology .As Dr. Weisz notes:"End states are consequences, not foregone conclusions." Before that he notes""Causalism denies foreknowledge of terminal states,preordination,purposes ,goals and fixed fates." Therefore , there is an contradiction between causalism and telology such that theistic evolution is just obscurantism . Now to obviate that contradiction, theists such as Russell Stannard propose a two category classificatin of origins[ natural selection] or contingency and creation[teleoligy- God] or necessary being; but as Malcolm Diamond and Kai Nielsen note in their philosophy of religion books , that is a circular argument. Causalism does not need a divine intruder to work. That is just god of the gaps! :)    :angry:  :O

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pwe



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2006,09:43   

Quote (skeptic griggsy @ Nov. 27 2006,07:54)
Theistic evolution is an oxymoron, because it conflates natural selection [causalism] and teleology.
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Causalism does not need a divine intruder to work. That is just god of the gaps! :)    :angry:  :O

Oh, well, how about this: the creator set up initial conditions that would causally lead to the intended goal.

Somewhat like writing a program, starting it and going to sleep. The program will run to its end without needing any further interaction.

Just too bad that the creator is running the program on a Microsoft operating system, so the program is hanging there with a "general failure"  :p


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