MadPanda, FCD
Posts: 267 Joined: Nov. 2010
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Quote (dheddle @ Jan. 29 2011,12:48) | Quote (MadPanda @ FCD,Jan. 29 2011,12:01) | Quote (dheddle @ Jan. 29 2011,08:31) | Apparently if you like what a Christian says--probably because it is dumb and is easy to attack--then that is what qualifies them as bonafide "representative." |
I do not think it is possible for you to miss the point any more blatantly than this. So let's try it again, shall we?
These people are Christians, yes? (Even if they aren't True Christians by your reckoning, or aren't acting in an acceptably Christ-like manner by, say, John Kwok's reckoning.)
These people use their Christianity as a justification, rationale, and motivation for their heated rhetoric and inflammatory denunciations of the 'other'.
They are also popular to varying degrees (Phelps being an exception) whose pronouncements do not meet a storm of disapproval from pulpits (or at least no storm that is ever fully reported). They are certainly not held up as shameful examples of excess by their crowds of adoring fans, who seem to hold the same shallow, silly, childish view of the world that they publicly espouse. Quite the opposite.
That makes them a representative sample, whether or not you like it, whether or not anyone's officially asked that they become the public voice. Your attempt to dodge your (collective) responsibility in this matter is pretty pathetic.
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The MadPanda, FCD
Quote | (Even if they aren't True Christians by your reckoning, ) |
Since I never, ever make a claim regarding who is a True Christian,--you can kiss my ass for implying that I do.
Quote | That makes them a representative sample, whether or not you like it, |
Are you being disingenuous on purpose, or is this concept too difficult to grasp?
Once again: I didn't say they were not a representative sample, I said, they do not represent Christianity. They are not the same. There are an infinite number of groups that are representative of Christianity. They are not (duh) our official representatives. Even though they are representative samples, they speak only for themselves.
Quote | whose pronouncements do not meet a storm of disapproval from pulpits (or at least no storm that is ever fully reported). |
We are talking about abortion violence. Give me one example of, say, Palin supporting violence against abortion doctors or clinics.
And the standard, by the way, asinine. Reporters do not come in to garden variety churches and listen to whether someone like Phelps is denounced. If they did, they would in fact hear Phelps being denounced with regularity. (As an example, my previous church was threatened by Phelps because our pastor wrote a letter condemning Westboro Baptist.)
Have you heard a lot of reporting on the thoughts of common man-in-the-street atheists about whether they support some of Pete Singers more outrageous "ethics"? Have you seen reporting about whether the atheist next door thinks it is a good idea to desecrate a communion wafer and a Koran and to describe pictures of aborted fetuses as meat?
I haven't--but I'm not pinheaded enough to assume that the onus is on the typical atheist to make me fully aware--to my ever-changing standard of satisfaction-- that he is appalled by bad behavior from some fellow atheists. Nor do I assume, just because he hasn't told me otherwise, that just because some jackasses like PZ are famous--that that means they are representatives of atheism.
(Yes I know, PZ would not claim that he is atheism's representative. Do you have a link where Sarah Palin announces that she is Christianity's representative?) |
I see a coward who dodges the issue, abdicates his moral responsibility, and refuses to face unpleasant facts, all the while breezily insisting that anyone who disagrees with him doesn't understand the essence of his delusions.
You have been known to play the No True Scotsman card, sirrah, and to do so with abandon. That you here indulge in semantic nit-picking of Kris-like proportions in order to avoid admitting it is not surprising in the least, but is very, very disappointing.
By the fruits of your bretheren, and their failure to own up to the consequences, we know you...all too well.
I invite you to stick your fat head into a barrel of overripe squishy pomegranates and whistle Dixie.
The MadPanda, FCD
-------------- "No matter how ridiculous the internet tough guy, a thorough mocking is more effective than a swift kick to the gentleman vegetables with a hobnailed boot" --Louis
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