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phonon Posts: 396 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 30 2007,18:42    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 30 2007,17:53)       Quote (Dr.GH @ April 29 2007,22:11) It should be remembered by all here at least, that Panda's Thumb contributers Ed Brayton, and Timothy Sandefur are rabid opponents of environmental protection or any form of government regualtion of mining, logging etc... In general, I think that Libertarians tend to be . . . well . . . nuts.  When they start going on about charging people to use the sidewalk (free market, and all that), my eyes glaze over. See, libertarian can mean a lot. I've come across libertarians (self proclaimed) that argue against toll roads and the like. Being a libertarian doesn't really mean that you think everything should be privatized. That's anarcho-syndicalism or something.       Quote Having said that . . . . I view political fights (like fighting creationism) much as I used to view union strikes.  Here's the line (literally, most times).  Someone is either on this side of it, or on that side of it.  Anyone on this side of it, is my friend, and I'll work with him/her all I can to win this thing.  Anyone on THAT side of it, is my enemy.  And I am utterly and completely ruthless to my enemies. Jesus would not approve. But don't you think that this is one of the reasons our country sucks right now? The "you're with me or against me" attitude? I think people should try to de-emphasize labels in debate and politics. "Liberal?" WTF does that mean? "Conservative?" "Libertarian?" "Socialist?" All they tend to be are names for teams that line up on either side of some arbitrary line. Whenever I argue politically, I try to come at a person from their own political classification of themselves. If they call themselves conservative, I'll try to convince them why my position would be conservative in some way. That way they can keep the label they like for themselves and I may convince them of my position. Having said that... ID people just can't do comedy. It isn't in them, I guess. -------------- With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg To do just the opposite is also a form of imitation. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 30 2007,20:11    Quote (phonon @ April 30 2007,18:42) But don't you think that this is one of the reasons our country sucks right now? The "you're with me or against me" attitude? No, I think our country sucks because nobody wanted to bother to fight the people on the other side of the line, until AFTER they had already turned the US into a virtual Roman Empire.  And indeed, if there weren't a steady supply of body bags coming home, no one would STILL be bothering to fight them. As a society, the US has proved time and time and time again that we simply don't care what's going on around us. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 30 2007,20:30    Quote (phonon @ April 30 2007,18:42) Whenever I argue politically, I try to come at a person from their own political classification of themselves. If they call themselves conservative, I'll try to convince them why my position would be conservative in some way. That way they can keep the label they like for themselves and I may convince them of my position. Well, I'm not at all interested in converting people from the other side, and I really don't care if they "understand me" or not.  Again, I look at it like a union organizer.  Either the boss will recognize the union, or he won't.  Either the creationists get to teach their crap in schools, or they don't. Either women, gays and racial minorities get the same rights everyone else has, or they don't.  Either we dump pollutants in the river, or we don't.  If we get what we want, then great -- we all get to go home.  If not, we fight for it until we DO get what we want.   The two sides have utterly different interests, and they will never sit down, strum guitar, and sing Kumbaya together.  One side will win.  One side won't.  I prefer it be my side that wins. That is what politics is, whether we like it or not.   The right wing understands that, and it's why they've been so successful, while the "liberals" are left wringing their hands and worrying about how terribly divisive the whole thing is and why can't we all just get along and blah blah blah.  For six years, the rightwingers flipped the bird at the Democans.  Now, the Democans are cluck-clucking about how they want to be "uniters" and are making all sorts of noise about "bipartisanship". Whaaa ???  "Bipartisanship", my ass.  Those dickweeds didn't give two hoots in #### about anybody else while they were busily building a plutocracy.  I see no reason why we should not return the favor while we dismantle it. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 30 2007,20:40    Quote (phonon @ April 30 2007,18:42) ID people just can't do comedy. It isn't in them, I guess. Well, fundies as a whole tend to be humor-challenged tight-asses.  Just look at Dembski's performance on the Daily Show . . . .  (shrug) By the way, I have found Leninists and Maoists to be utterly humorless, too.   Probably for much the same reasons. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Thought Provoker Posts: 530 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 30 2007,20:50    Hi Lenny, There are more of "them" than there are of "us". Historically speaking, we don't have much reason for optimism. Personally, I would rather play to our strength.  "Let's discuss this logically. How many of you believe kangaroos once lived in the Middle East?" Provoking Thought

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 30 2007,21:18    Quote (Thought Provoker @ April 30 2007,20:50) There are more of "them" than there are of "us". Well, that didn't seem to help them much in the last elections.   Anyway, as far as fundies go, they are, always have been, and probably always will be, a tiny minority within global Christianity.  The only reason anyone in the US has to take them seriously at all is because of the political support they get from the rightwing nutters in the Republicrat Party (who are also a tiny minority). Indeed, in nearly every political issue I can think of (abortion, environmentalism, gun control, national health care, gay rights, women's rights, worker's rights) the fundies are a minority.  The fundies simply don't have much popular support for their social agenda.  Fortunately for the fundies, though, most Americans can't be bothered to get off their couches long enough to actually fight against the fundies and their agenda.  Like I said before, most Americans don't know, and don't actually care, what is going on around them. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Thought Provoker Posts: 530 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 30 2007,22:28    Hi Lenny, You wrote Quote Well, that didn't seem to help them much in the last elections. It is all in how you draw your "line".  So, how many confirmed atheists were elected? How is the federal support for stem-cell research going? Have we amended the partial-birth abortion law to include a womens' health exception yet? Provoking Thought

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,00:20    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 30 2007,17:53) In general, I think that Libertarians tend to be . . . well . . . nuts.  When they start going on about charging people to use the sidewalk (free market, and all that), my eyes glaze over. Yeah, they are "nuts."  No "maybe" or "they are sortofonourside" about it.  They are enemies of public education and the environment, and every civil right you or I thought we had.   OH! they like greed.  Greed is good.  Small groups can organize to steal from everybody else, or kill them.  So long as the motivation is greed.  Greed is OK.  Killing is OK if there is a profit (and you wont be charged with anything).  It is only bad if a majority of people think that these stinking thieves should be stopped.  That is bad.  That is "anticompetitive." -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,07:03    Quote (Thought Provoker @ April 30 2007,22:28) It is all in how you draw your "line".   Different fights have different lines. One fight at a time. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

slpage Posts: 349 Joined: June 2004 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,08:09    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 30 2007,20:40) Quote (phonon @ April 30 2007,18:42) ID people just can't do comedy. It isn't in them, I guess. Well, fundies as a whole tend to be humor-challenged tight-asses.  Just look at Dembski's performance on the Daily Show . . . .  (shrug). That was - almost literally - painful to watch. I wanted to punch that smug twirp in the mouth....

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,08:48    Quote (Dr.GH @ May 01 2007,00:20) Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 30 2007,17:53) In general, I think that Libertarians tend to be . . . well . . . nuts.  When they start going on about charging people to use the sidewalk (free market, and all that), my eyes glaze over. Yeah, they are "nuts."  No "maybe" or "they are sortofonourside" about it.  They are enemies of public education and the environment, and every civil right you or I thought we had.   OH! they like greed.  Greed is good.  Small groups can organize to steal from everybody else, or kill them.  So long as the motivation is greed.  Greed is OK.  Killing is OK if there is a profit (and you wont be charged with anything).  It is only bad if a majority of people think that these stinking thieves should be stopped.  That is bad.  That is "anticompetitive." Right, one reason why I've never gotten into the libertarian mindset is because they basically consider selfishness to the most noble motivation anyone can have. They essentially think there should be no limits to private sector greed, but somehow social programs undertaken by the government to benefit people are incredibly wicked. I suspect Ayn Rand can take a lot of the blame for this. Another interesting thing about libertarians is that they never confront the fact that the vast majority of Americans would never want to live in the more hardcore versions of the utopia they envision. This is why for most libertarians, it boils down to nothing more than "let me have as many guns as I want and don't tax me". -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,09:32    Just bumped into this, by total coincidence: Quote Sometimes known as a "South Park Republican", a libertarian is what happens when a liberal becomes too rich and self-centered - or too obsessed with guns - to care about anything else. Every year they toy briefly with voting for a Libertarian Party candidate and then they realize that the candidate is the guy that lives in the mountains and eats cats, so they compromise 90% of their stated beliefs to vote for a Republican. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,16:11    LOL! PaV is a tard Quote Call me a cynic, but I bet if you look around, you’ll find that Al Gore pushed the expansion of fiber optics because it favored one of his campaign contributors. And, from what I remember, what made the internet the internet, was the scientist in England that came up with a language so that, no matter the format, anything could be posted onto the “net” that existed at the time. grendelkhan is not a tard Quote Yes, PaV, because why should you bother looking it up yourself when it’s so much more fun to make assumptions that fall in line with your beliefs. Quote And, from what I remember, what made the internet the internet, was the scientist in England that came up with a language so that, no matter the format, anything could be posted onto the “net” that existed at the time. No. Just… no. I can’t figure out what you’re talking about, but (a) the internet protocol suite (TCP/IP) was developed in the US, as part of ARPANET, and (b) the World Wide Web was developed in a Swiss lab, by a Brit, assisted by a Belgian. But neither of these things allowed “anything [to] be posted”, “no matter the format”–you could host files in any format on FTP servers, for instance, before the web came around. What are you talking about?

phonon Posts: 396 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,16:48    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 30 2007,20:11) Quote (phonon @ April 30 2007,18:42) But don't you think that this is one of the reasons our country sucks right now? The "you're with me or against me" attitude? No, I think our country sucks because nobody wanted to bother to fight the people on the other side of the line, until AFTER they had already turned the US into a virtual Roman Empire.  And indeed, if there weren't a steady supply of body bags coming home, no one would STILL be bothering to fight them. As a society, the US has proved time and time and time again that we simply don't care what's going on around us. Well, I was just talking about political debate and not actual politics. I was probably a bit hyperbolic in saying that the "with us or against us attitude" was why this country sucks. The real reason it sucks goes back a long time, it's just being made so bad lately that it's difficult to ignore. I guess I meant that political discourse in this country sucks because of the team attitude. I know this is getting way off topic for this thread, but this country has been imperial from its conception. This is no sort of new trend. Now, the blatant slashing of the Bill of Rights that has gone on lately is new (except for times during the civil war and wwII and for a bit afterward). Well, what's new about it is how blatant it is. And, generally, people don't care about what's going on around them because they are still comfortable, for the most part. "Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."  - Jefferson -------------- With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg To do just the opposite is also a form of imitation. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

C.J.O'Brien Posts: 395 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,16:52    shaner74, on the other hand,is a tard Quote It also seems belief in global warming and Darwinism go hand in hand…hmm… hmm... what is it about those guys and the truth? -------------- The is the beauty of being me- anything that any man does I can understand. --Joe G

phonon Posts: 396 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,16:58    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 30 2007,20:30) Quote (phonon @ April 30 2007,18:42) Whenever I argue politically, I try to come at a person from their own political classification of themselves. If they call themselves conservative, I'll try to convince them why my position would be conservative in some way. That way they can keep the label they like for themselves and I may convince them of my position. Well, I'm not at all interested in converting people from the other side, and I really don't care if they "understand me" or not.  Again, I look at it like a union organizer.  Either the boss will recognize the union, or he won't.  Either the creationists get to teach their crap in schools, or they don't. Either women, gays and racial minorities get the same rights everyone else has, or they don't.  Either we dump pollutants in the river, or we don't.  If we get what we want, then great -- we all get to go home.  If not, we fight for it until we DO get what we want.   The two sides have utterly different interests, and they will never sit down, strum guitar, and sing Kumbaya together.  One side will win.  One side won't.  I prefer it be my side that wins. That is what politics is, whether we like it or not.   The right wing understands that, and it's why they've been so successful, while the "liberals" are left wringing their hands and worrying about how terribly divisive the whole thing is and why can't we all just get along and blah blah blah.  For six years, the rightwingers flipped the bird at the Democans.  Now, the Democans are cluck-clucking about how they want to be "uniters" and are making all sorts of noise about "bipartisanship". Whaaa ???  "Bipartisanship", my ass.  Those dickweeds didn't give two hoots in #### about anybody else while they were busily building a plutocracy.  I see no reason why we should not return the favor while we dismantle it. Well, see, you say something about the right wing and liberals to start the last paragraph, then you end it by saying something that make it clear you don't really think it's about right/left. Of course it's not, it's what it's always been about, rich and powerful versus poor and divided. -------------- With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg To do just the opposite is also a form of imitation. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

phonon Posts: 396 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,17:16    Quote (Dr.GH @ May 01 2007,00:20) Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 30 2007,17:53) In general, I think that Libertarians tend to be . . . well . . . nuts.  When they start going on about charging people to use the sidewalk (free market, and all that), my eyes glaze over. Yeah, they are "nuts."  No "maybe" or "they are sortofonourside" about it.  They are enemies of public education and the environment, and every civil right you or I thought we had.   OH! they like greed.  Greed is good.  Small groups can organize to steal from everybody else, or kill them.  So long as the motivation is greed.  Greed is OK.  Killing is OK if there is a profit (and you wont be charged with anything).  It is only bad if a majority of people think that these stinking thieves should be stopped.  That is bad.  That is "anticompetitive." Can you explain how a libertarian is an enemy of civil rights? That's a new one on me. Wow, and all these exaggerated characterizations of libertarians are amazing. I guess I'm trying to defend libertarians because I respect so many libertarian people and agree with a lot of their positions, especially with respect to war. But again, there are a lot of total tards out there that want to call themselves libertarians simply so they can run cock fights or sell crack. And just for the record, the SP guys think the notion of a South Park Republican is like totally dumb and stuff. I STILL cannot see the connection between Libertarians and Republicans. In my eyes they are night and day. I think it's another symptom of people labeling themselves libertarian without really knowing wtf they're talking about. -------------- With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg To do just the opposite is also a form of imitation. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,17:25    Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ May 01 2007,16:52) shaner74, on the other hand,is a tard Quote It also seems belief in global warming and Darwinism go hand in hand…hmm… hmm... what is it about those guys and the truth? standard debate tactic of the terminally wrong: take what the other side says, reverse it, and spit it back at them.  I've seen this done (successfully) by rethuglican debators on any number of occassions.   yes, it is indeed just like the "I'm rubber you're glue" argument most rational folks dropped after elementary school. unfortunately, the fact that it still works for many is indicative of the bulk of the general audience in the US. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

phonon Posts: 396 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,17:33    Yeah, man, they have no concept of actual humor. I mean, Jackie Mason? -------------- With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg To do just the opposite is also a form of imitation. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,17:33    Quote (phonon @ May 01 2007,16:58) Well, see, you say something about the right wing and liberals to start the last paragraph, then you end it by saying something that make it clear you don't really think it's about right/left. Of course it's not, it's what it's always been about, rich and powerful versus poor and divided. Indeed. And alas, the Democans have never been, and never will be, "left".  They are kinder, gentler, Republicrats.  Nothing more. BTW, happy May Day, everyone.  "Ariiiiiiiise, ye victims of opppreeeeeeeeesion . . . . . " -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

phonon Posts: 396 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,17:45    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ May 01 2007,17:33) Quote (phonon @ May 01 2007,16:58) Well, see, you say something about the right wing and liberals to start the last paragraph, then you end it by saying something that make it clear you don't really think it's about right/left. Of course it's not, it's what it's always been about, rich and powerful versus poor and divided. Indeed. And alas, the Democans have never been, and never will be, "left".  They are kinder, gentler, Republicrats.  Nothing more. BTW, happy May Day, everyone.  "Ariiiiiiiise, ye victims of opppreeeeeeeeesion . . . . . " :) Oh, when I say republicrats, I just mean both corporate parties together. I think a lot of independents (libertarians too) just call them The War Party. I've heard others divide the government into the Bloody Hands Party and the Clean Hands Party depending on who was for the war or voted for it and who was against it from the beginning. -------------- With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg To do just the opposite is also a form of imitation. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,18:11    Quote It's also warming on Triton, but that's because Neptune is heading toward it's perihelion (closest point to the sun) so. It's also warming on Pluto for the same reason. Pluto is presently leaving its "warm" season. It was closer to the sun than Neptune from 1979 to 1999, and is on its outward journey now. NASA hopes to get a probe there before the "atmosphere" of the object formerly known as a planet freezes out for the cold "season" of its 248 Earth-year long trip around the sun. Henry

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2007,01:22    OH MY GOD!!! Just when you thought the supply of premium tardity was waning a pleasant surprise pops up. WAD's former coffee drone and office duster has returned to tell us all about the evils of not being Christian.  Three new posts (not at the level of insanity that I was accustomed to last year, so maybe he's turned over a new leaf) are now available. Here's hoping that Joel has either become more sane or will post something truly funny soon. Joel Barofsky's "Stop Lying to Us" -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Seizure Salad Posts: 60 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2007,03:20    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ May 01 2007,17:33) Quote (phonon @ May 01 2007,16:58) Well, see, you say something about the right wing and liberals to start the last paragraph, then you end it by saying something that make it clear you don't really think it's about right/left. Of course it's not, it's what it's always been about, rich and powerful versus poor and divided. Indeed. And alas, the Democans have never been, and never will be, "left".  They are kinder, gentler, Republicrats.  Nothing more. BTW, happy May Day, everyone.  "Ariiiiiiiise, ye victims of opppreeeeeeeeesion . . . . . " :) My (rather profane) analogy has always been this: the Republicans are the brawny jocks, and the Democrats are the gangly nerds, but both of them are fucking the cheerleader in the ass. But seriously, the overlap in policy between the Republicans and Democrats is so slight that they end up being two factions of the same party, which can correctly be called the Corporate Party, or Business Party, because those are the interests that are served. It's so absurd that in the 80s the parties exchanged their traditional economic policies (the Democrats had typically been more in favour of big government spending Keynesian stimulation, and the Republicans had been more in favour of fiscal conservatism) and nobody noticed. They completely switched their economic policies, and nobody even pointed it out. That's how meaningless the distinction is. There's actually been a lot of very serious, very detailed work done by Thomas Ferguson, professor of political science at the University of Massachusetts. He makes a very powerful argument that the state is controlled by shifting coalitions of investors who join together around some common interest, and this trend goes all the way back to the 1930s. He points out that more high-tech, capital-intensive, export-oriented sectors tend to rally around the Democrats, whereas more labour-intensive, domestically oriented sectors tend to rally around the Republicans. The point is, it's a business-run society, and conflicts only arise when groups of investors have differing points of view on what public policy should look like. Anyway.

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2007,05:54    Quote (blipey @ May 02 2007,01:22) Joel Barofsky's "Stop Lying to Us" I find that it is always helpful to gizoogle Joel's posts to make them more real to the young 'uns.  The entry about boasting was greatly improved by the gizoogle treatment. Observe. What was, in the original:   Quote So, by all means boast. Just make sure you are boasting in God and His Son Jesus Christ through whom helpless sinners have received reconciliation. Has been improved to:   Quote So, by all means boast . Slap your mutha fuckin self. Jizzay makes sure you is boast'n in God n His Son Jesus Christ through whizzom helpless motherfucka have received reconcilizzles ya feelin' me?. Word! -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2007,06:57    Dr Dumbski thinks that the latest news about the wiring of eyes supports ID. Quote Perhaps we need is some congressional research funds earmarked to tackle all these instance of “bad design” and show that they actually constitute great design Yes indeed, but with English like "Perhaps we need is some congressional research funds" maybe funds for remedial classes in writting and wrotting would be more useful? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

djmullen Posts: 327 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2007,07:05    Blipey   Quote WAD's former coffee drone and office duster has returned to tell us all about the evils of not being Christian.  Three new posts (not at the level of insanity that I was accustomed to last year, so maybe he's turned over a new leaf) are now available. I notice he has the comments turned off.  He's learned well from Uncle Dembski. Uhh...  Excuse me.  Uncle Dr. Dr. Dembski It's a pity because I was going to ask him a few questions about Dennis Rader, the BTK killer that he goes on about.  Like, what position did he hold in his Christian church? Also, I was wondering what God's word says about owning slaves, killing people for gathering sticks on the Sabbath and several other hot topics in morality. As I said, he's learned a lot for Uncle Dr. Dr. Dembski.

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2007,07:33    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 02 2007,06:57) Dr Dumbski thinks that the latest news about the wiring of eyes supports ID.     Quote Perhaps we need is some congressional research funds earmarked to tackle all these instance of “bad design” and show that they actually constitute great design Yes indeed, but with English like "Perhaps we need is some congressional research funds" maybe funds for remedial classes in writting and wrotting would be more useful? Why would he need to worry about that when his acolytes do it for him?  In that comment thread, some dittohead named Michaels7 writes:   Quote And this bears repeating by Dr. Dembski… “Perhaps we need ()some congressional research funds earmarked to tackle all these instance of “bad design” and show that they actually constitute great design — things to inspire engineers to build better devices!” Quote-mining! -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2007,08:04    on that same "eye" thread shaner74 seyz Quote How many is that for ID now? At least two big ones right? “Junk” DNA and now the eye? Well, I make that a big fat zer0! Quote Oh well, get the darwin propaganda machine spinning and churn out some articles at PT claiming how this is old news and darwin predicted it all along Remind me, shaner74, what ID scientists are doing research into "junk" DNA or eyes? Another winner for the "big fat Zero"! Link -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2007,08:10    Quote (blipey @ May 02 2007,01:22) OH MY GOD!!! Just when you thought the supply of premium tardity was waning a pleasant surprise pops up. WAD's former coffee drone and office duster has returned to tell us all about the evils of not being Christian.  Three new posts (not at the level of insanity that I was accustomed to last year, so maybe he's turned over a new leaf) are now available. Here's hoping that Joel has either become more sane or will post something truly funny soon. Joel Barofsky's "Stop Lying to Us" WHAT? No mention of girls' hoohoos at all? You don't think Joel spent the last 6 months getting a girlfriend or something, do you? Naaaaah.... -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

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