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Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2009,09:57    he's still going. Now design uses evolution and its mechanisms. Not sure what that feedback will sound like in the EF... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2009,10:41    I just asked him to compare the CSI of a softball and a similar sized boulder and whether he could determine which was designed.  He said the request didn't make sense so I asked a few simple yes/no questions.  I'm VERY interested in answers to these questions--I know I will get none however, and that makes me sad. The questions: 1.  Does a softball have CSI? 2.  Does a boulder have CSI? 3.  Does one or the other have more CSI? 4.  Can we determine design by looking at the CSI? 5.  Does it matter if we are in NY or Miami? -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2009,14:44    Joe doesn't know what a softball is. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Raevmo Posts: 235 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 28 2009,13:40    Does anyone have a link to Joe G/ID guy/etc declaring himself to be muslim? -------------- After much reflection I finally realized that the best way to describe the cause of the universe is: the great I AM. --GilDodgen

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 28 2009,14:24    Quote (Raevmo @ June 28 2009,21:40) Does anyone have a link to Joe G/ID guy/etc declaring himself to be muslim? It was thrown in the Mississippi River. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

mattnoks Posts: 2 Joined: June 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2009,12:52    This site has a bunch of great quotes to use on topics of science and philosophy. http://www.nonastrologer.com

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2009,13:48    Quote (blipey @ June 26 2009,14:44) Joe doesn't know what a softball is. To be entirely fair to Joey G, there are several types of softballs: 1.  12" high-density for fast-pitch (usually yellow colored). 2.  14" used by slow-pitch co-ed teams. 3.  16" "Chicago Clincher" used in the midwest - players do not use gloves, and drink a lot of beer and fall down a lot while playing. I'm guessing Joey G would be a true star in teh 16" leagues, because he could repair the team's beer cooler if it broke. For true hillarity ask Joe G to compare and contrast the CSI of a Clincher and a baseball. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2009,23:05    Joe now is unsure how to make ice.  I love this guy. And which one of you lovely bastards is Hawk? -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2009,23:14    Quote (blipey @ June 30 2009,00:05) Joe now is unsure how to make ice.  I love this guy. And which one of you lovely bastards is Hawk? joe is a master science-er-er-er Quote As I said if you are any good at being a clown then stick with it. You suck at science... lolololol THAT is what you call a "dumb bastard" around here Quote It's a measurement not a calculation. hahahahaha Quote It looks like this thread is finished. when did it start? lololol i love the poor dumb bastard too -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2009,23:24    from the richiehughes *swoon* thread Quote I would say if you falsify all the proposed instances then the concept is moot. Duh. That is why starting with the highest known level of IC would squash ID if found to be reducible to matter, energy, chance and necessity. duh.  that frikking kills me. then we have the new thread Quote  Hawks said... From the other thread:Hawks: As for the CSI of a softball, I count 193 bits. What do you get, Joe? How did you arrive at 193 bits? Like you said, it actually was quite easy to do: I first listed the bill of materials. Then I measured how tight the core was wrapped. I measured the direction of wrapping. I measured the amount of materials. I measured the cut of the cover. I measured how it was sewn. I measured it's specifications for weight, diameter and rebound. I got anywhere from 193 to 211 bits, but used the lower number to be on the safe side. That's how I did it. Did we get similar results? 9:59 AM Quote Joe G said... Hawks, Seeing there are 5 bits of information per character your math appears to be way off. Neither 193 nor 211 is divisible by 5. That said, where did you get the bill of materials? Did you get it from a legit source? You know a source that actually makes softballs? IOW as Richie said "show your work". 10:14 AM god damn that is funny.  joe goes from attack kitten to attack merkin in two shakes of a one eyed cat. Quote Joe G said... Hawks, that's the best post on IR I've ever seen.- And yet it is full of mistakes. The first is obvious- how to get 193 bits from a configuration of 5 bits per character. I would bet he counted 193 characters, not bits. That is why I need to see his work. Without that I could say some other number and then say it is up to you to prove me wrong. 10:26 AM ummmmmm  which one of you guys is joe g again? wow when i read the rest of that thread i think joe might be one of the best tards evar -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Tracy Posts: 4 Joined: June 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2009,09:42    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,June 29 2009,23:24) ummmmmm  which one of you guys is joe g again? wow when i read the rest of that thread i think joe might be one of the best tards evar Joe, my beloved tardcrush.  Please don't change.

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2009,14:46    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,June 30 2009,00:24) from the richiehughes *swoon* thread   Quote I would say if you falsify all the proposed instances then the concept is moot. Duh. That is why starting with the highest known level of IC would squash ID if found to be reducible to matter, energy, chance and necessity. duh.  that frikking kills me. then we have the new thread   Quote  Hawks said... From the other thread:Hawks: As for the CSI of a softball, I count 193 bits. What do you get, Joe? How did you arrive at 193 bits? Like you said, it actually was quite easy to do: I first listed the bill of materials. Then I measured how tight the core was wrapped. I measured the direction of wrapping. I measured the amount of materials. I measured the cut of the cover. I measured how it was sewn. I measured it's specifications for weight, diameter and rebound. I got anywhere from 193 to 211 bits, but used the lower number to be on the safe side. That's how I did it. Did we get similar results? 9:59 AM   Quote Joe G said... Hawks, Seeing there are 5 bits of information per character your math appears to be way off. Neither 193 nor 211 is divisible by 5. That said, where did you get the bill of materials? Did you get it from a legit source? You know a source that actually makes softballs? IOW as Richie said "show your work". 10:14 AM god damn that is funny.  joe goes from attack kitten to attack merkin in two shakes of a one eyed cat.   Quote Joe G said... Hawks, that's the best post on IR I've ever seen.- And yet it is full of mistakes. The first is obvious- how to get 193 bits from a configuration of 5 bits per character. I would bet he counted 193 characters, not bits. That is why I need to see his work. Without that I could say some other number and then say it is up to you to prove me wrong. 10:26 AM ummmmmm  which one of you guys is joe g again? wow when i read the rest of that thread i think joe might be one of the best tards evar Forgive me if I've posted this before: -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2009,23:23    Quote Joe G said... Hawks: So, how far con you reduce the instructions for making ice?- What's the point? If you come across a frozen pond in Northern Canada in February, then chances are it is a natural occurrence. Now if you come across a frozen pond in Florida during a typical Florida July, chances are there is something else at work. But fuck all that. I made a post and asked what it is about what I posted that you don't understand. Focus on that or fuck-off. 10:29 PM hahahaha Joe is getting his shitty drawers in a knot -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2009,10:43    https://www.blogger.com/comment....0873634 Quote New comments have been disabled for this post by a blog administrator. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2009,12:56    Quote (Richardthughes @ July 06 2009,10:43) https://www.blogger.com/comment....0873634   Quote New comments have been disabled for this post by a blog administrator. But only because you friggin', materialist, Darwiniac morons can't answer questions!!! -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2009,13:17    he is going to have an aneurysm -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2009,15:05    Quote (blipey @ July 06 2009,11:56) Quote (Richardthughes @ July 06 2009,10:43) https://www.blogger.com/comment....0873634   Quote New comments have been disabled for this post by a blog administrator. But only because you friggin', materialist, Darwiniac morons can't answer questions!!! Well of course people can't answer questions if comments have been disabled!!111!!!one!!!

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 08 2009,15:03    JoeG declares Polar Icecap Is A-Okay!!! -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: July 08 2009,16:00    I suppose someone can fix just about anything if this fits their definition of "recovery": Quote "The near-zero replenishment of the multi-year ice cover, combined with unusual exports of ice out of the Arctic after the summers of 2005 and 2007, have both played significant roles in the loss of Arctic sea ice volume," said Ron Kwok of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California who led the study. Data from the study will help scientists to better understand how fast the volume of Arctic ice is decreasing and how soon the region might be "nearly ice-free in the summer," said Kwok. A study published in April by the Colorado-based National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) also showed that the Arctic ice cap is thinner than ever and the maximum extent of Arctic ice was at an all-time low. The same month, US researchers warned that the Arctic could be almost ice-free within 30 years, not 90 as scientists had previously estimated. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 08 2009,16:14    The northwest passage?

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 08 2009,16:37    another Kwok! and now there is one that is not immediately recognizable as pompous doosh. that's 2 out of 3 for anyone counting -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2009,08:55    Some more from the link I gave above: Quote Arctic sea ice thinned dramatically between the winters of 2004 and 2008, with thick older ice shrinking by the equivalent of Alaska's land area, a study using data from a NASA satellite showed. Using information from NASA's Ice, Cloud and Land Satellite (ICESat), scientists from the US space agency and the University of Washington in Seattle estimated both the thickness and volume of the Arctic Ocean's ice cover. ICESat allows scientists to measure changes in the thickness and volume of Arctic ice, whereas previously scientists relied only on measurements of area to determine how much of the Arctic Ocean is covered in ice. Scientists found that Arctic sea ice thinned some seven inches (17.8 centimeters) a year, or 2.2 feet (67 centimeters) over four winters, according to the study by NASA and the University of Washington, published in the Journal of Geophysical Research-Oceans. They also found that thicker, older ice, which has survived one or more summers, shrank by 42 percent. "Between 2004 and 2008, multi-year ice cover shrank 595,000 square miles (1.5 million square kilometers) -- nearly the size of Alaska's land area," a report of the study's findings said. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 17 2009,14:11    Vintage Joe G from the Tardmines: http://all-too-common-dissent.blogspot.com/2007....ic.html -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

silverspoon Posts: 123 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 17 2009,22:02    Quote (Richardthughes @ July 17 2009,14:11) Vintage Joe G from the Tardmines: http://all-too-common-dissent.blogspot.com/2007....ic.html I wish I still had links where Joe G. (AKA John Paul) wrote he would accept a reptile with hooves as a TRUE transitional, and where he once told me the gas planets like Jupiter & Saturn were put there by the designer so Earth would be protected from asteroids and comets. I really miss his YEC arguments. Speaking of which, check out this http://web.archive.org/web....s-f.htm where he was a contributor to a YEC website. -------------- Grand Poobah of the nuclear mafia

slpage Posts: 349 Joined: June 2004 (Permalink) Posted: July 19 2009,17:48    Quote (silverspoon @ July 17 2009,22:02) Quote (Richardthughes @ July 17 2009,14:11) Vintage Joe G from the Tardmines: http://all-too-common-dissent.blogspot.com/2007....ic.html I wish I still had links where Joe G. (AKA John Paul) wrote he would accept a reptile with hooves as a TRUE transitional, and where he once told me the gas planets like Jupiter & Saturn were put there by the designer so Earth would be protected from asteroids and comets. I really miss his YEC arguments. Speaking of which, check out this http://web.archive.org/web....s-f.htm where he was a contributor to a YEC website. Ah, Luke Randall, molecular biologist creationist.  The grand poobah who once declared that humans have "3 billion codons" and when I corrected him, he deigned to declare that I should learn some biology before daring to do so again, lest he make me regret my ignorance...

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 24 2009,08:44    Oh noes!!!  Only technical difficulties I hope. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 24 2009,08:45    Quote (blipey @ July 24 2009,08:44) Oh noes!!!  Only technical difficulties I hope. whew, back up and running, that was a close one! -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 24 2009,10:22    Quote Quote Blogger  Joe G said...    As I said clownie not everyone defines "information" as it is defined in dictionaries.    Why don't you use the definition you provided and actually answer the question?-    I did.    What part of my answer don't you understand?    This has nothing to do with Shannon.-    It does as Shannon information doesn't have to be SI.    That is the whole point or are you just too stupid to understand that?    The problem is you don't undersatnd anything about Shannon and his work on information, so you choose to once again argue from ignorance. Quote    3:53 PM Blogger blipey said...    If you don't know what's important about SI just say so.    Otherwise, what do we know about an object that has SI that we don't know about an object that has no SI?    "It depends" is not an answer. Quote    4:03 PM Blogger Joe G said...    A quick lesson for ignorant clowns:    information theory-    Information theory, however, does not consider message importance or meaning, as these are matters of the quality of data rather than the quantity and readability of data, the latter of which is determined solely by probabilities.-    Classical Information Theory (Shannon)-    Shannon had a key insight regarding this: it doesn't matter whether the symbol means anything. It only matters whether the symbol at the information source and the destination are the same. It was this insight, meaning must be ignored, that enabled Shannon to create a workable mathematical model for information.-    Shannon Information-    Shannon information is the type of information developed by Claude Shannon and Warren Weaver in the 1940s. Shannon information is concerned with quantifying information (usually in terms of number of bits) to keep track of alphanumeric chcaracters as they are communicated sequentially from a source to a receiver. The amount of Shannon information contained in a string of characters is inversely related to the probability of the occurrence of the string. Unlike specified complexity, Shannon information is solely concerned with the improbability or complexity of a string of characters rather than its patterning or significance.-     Quote  4:04 PM Blogger blipey said...    Great. There's no reason to determine if an object has SI or not. That's fine. Just say so. lolololol Quote    4:11 PM Blogger blipey said...    The question is not about information, you stooge. The question is about what we know after we determine whether or not the object has SI. Quote    4:15 PM Blogger Joe G said...    If you don't know what's important about SI just say so.-    I said what is so important about it- it produces specific effects.    What part of that don't you understand?    Otherwise, what do we know about an object that has SI that we don't know about an object that has no SI?-    The object that contains CSI is not reducible to matter, energy, chance and necessity.    IOW it would depend on how much SI was required to bring about the object in question.    Then we could examine the alleged SI to see if it is SI as opposed to some law or regularity.    We would also investigate to see if the SI was an artifact. IOW find out what is is reducible to.    Ya see it matters a great deal to an investigation whether or not that which is being investigated arose by nature, operating freely or agency involvement. Quote    7:17 PM Blogger blipey said...    Great, how much SI does an object need in order to be designed? 1? 2? How much? lolololol Quote    2:30 AM Blogger Joe G said...    As much as it takes to not be reducible to matter, energy, chance and necessity. Quote    9:58 AM Blogger blipey said...    Which is how much? lololololol Quote    10:22 AM Blogger Joe G said...    As much as it takes.    How much SI has nature, operating freely, been shown to produce?    Ya see it is all about knowledge- that is knowledge of what nature, operating freely can produce coupled with the knowledge of what designing agencies can produce.    From that we make a scientific inference and go from there.    10:39 AM HAHAHAHAHAH blipes i absolutely love reading your exchanges with JoeTard, operating freely.  you can see that impotent culture war rage distorting the computer screen! -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 30 2009,15:14    I think I might have one of Joe's relatives here at KSU. I just got this message from a student. Quote I'm going to be in your class next fall, and I saw that on Varney's website it states we need the book "Biology: Concepts and Appliances." I was just wondering if we're going to actually use this book next semester, or whether we can get away with not buying it. -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Chayanov Posts: 289 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 30 2009,16:24    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 30 2009,15:14) I think I might have one of Joe's relatives here at KSU. I just got this message from a student.   Quote I'm going to be in your class next fall, and I saw that on Varney's website it states we need the book "Biology: Concepts and Appliances." I was just wondering if we're going to actually use this book next semester, or whether we can get away with not buying it. He's not at all curious about biological appliances? -------------- Help! Marxist literary critics are following me!

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