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| Quote (prong_hunter @ Jan. 13 2011,20:01) | | Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 12 2011,18:50) | | Quote (prong_hunter @ Jan. 12 2011,18:22) | | Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 12 2011,06:58) | | Quote (prong_hunter @ Jan. 11 2011,19:56) | | Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 11 2011,19:40) | | Why don't you discuss with civility, and then I will response to your post. |
Dear IBIG,
I know your business demands much of your attention. You probably haven't had time to read my earlier post.
Why don't you use your business success to file a patent for "life only comes from life"? Since there is already a patent for "creation of primordial life" from non-life, would it not be a great victory for God and Church to obtain a patent for "life only comes from life"?
Put your money where your heart is, so to speak. If your are truly convinced, then why not demonstrate it to the whole world? Forget all this forum stuff. If special creation is true, and you believe it, then why not prove it with a US patent?
Thank you for your attention. |
I find your post amusing, because you you state, since there is already a patent for "creation of primordial life" from non-life. You stated creation of primordial life, don't you see the irony of your post?
If God created life, when He created man He created man from non-life "from the dust of the earth".
If God created life, then what would be the purpose of a patent for what He created? According to your logic, maybe someone should get a patent on the creation of humans:) |
Dear IBIG,
I think you misunderstand.
In the context in which it was used, "creation of primordial life" from non-life, doesn't mean the US government granted a patent for God creating life. (You really need to read the patent.)
In the context of the patent, "creation of" means coming about by natural processes extant in the primeval Earth, and "primordial life" means the first appearance of life where before there was no life.
You said: "I believe that God created life, therefore I believe that Abiogenesis (life arose from non-life by natural causes without the aid of a Creator) is wrong." (IBIG-Jan 09, 2011, AtBC, IBIG forum, panel 17)
So there is no irony here. The word "creation" above does not mean divine creation. It doesn't even mean that 'scientists' created life. Life simply emerges from non-life by reproducing the natural conditions on the primeval Earth. That all that is necessary. No deities required.
This is what you define as Abiogenesis (see quote above).
So this patent is for the coming about by natural processes extant in the primeval Earth, the first appearance of life where before there was no life. (No Creator referenced.)
That's what the patent is about. That is Abiogenesis according to your definition. Your God didn't Create life. Life arose naturally.
So, if you truly believe in "life comes only from life", then why not put your money where your heart is?
Thank you if you have read this far. |
Link To The Patent |
Dear IBIG,
So, you found the patent. Good for you. But you didn't say anything.
Did you read it? Did you understand it?
It totally squashes your claim that abiogenesis is unscientific.
You may believe abiogenesis is impossible (this is America after all and you can believe anything you like), but you cannot say abiogenesis is unscientific.
Pretty much destroys your argument, no?
IBIG said on PT: "I believe the sole purpose of the scientific claim of Abiogenesis is to imply that there is no God. If one were not to believe in God, and wanted to promote such a view, then creating an unprovable, and unfalsifiable hypothesis that life came to be by natural causes without a Creator would be the way to go about it. Abiogenesis would be a great tool for evangelizing young minds away from believing in God, and turning them into Atheists. Implying God doesn’t exist with an unprovable, and unfalsifiable hypothesis should be prohibited from being taught in public school."
IBIG said on AtBC, Jan 7, 2011: "Abiogenesis isn't just improbable, I believe it is impossible! "
Believe what you will, but abiogenesis is scientific. It's patented!
And you are irrational (that means "without Reason"). |
Among other things, this proves that IBelieve neither wants to or is capable of understanding or even tolerating science.
After all, the reason why IBelieve hates and fears Abiogenesis is because he misinterprets it as (evil) scientists trying to destroy faith in God. To claim that this is not "hating science," well, that makes IBelieve a liar on top of a science-hating bigot.
The only reason I could come to for anyone to think that a statement like this:
In natural science, abiogenesis (pronounced /?e?ba?.??d??n?s?s/, AY-bye-oh-JEN-?-siss) or biopoesis is the study of how life arises from inorganic matter through natural processes, and the method by which life on Earth arose
Is somehow supposed to be evil scientists' recruiting slogan to turn children into evil, God-hating atheists is if that person's faith in God rests solely in closing their eyelids as tight as can be.
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