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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,18:46    A brilliant creationist, Randy Magruder, showed up at Panda's Thumb and easily destroyed the so-called 'theory of evolution'. Here's a sample of his brilliant argumentation: Quote I can produce the equations for gravity, run the numbers, and then easily reproduce the calculated behavior in a lab. I may have missed it in the scientific journals, but where precisely, are evolution’s equations? Where, precisely, has macro-evolution been done in a lab (in the sense that nature didn’t ‘fight back’ when you were done meddling and revert to the original species). I’m open minded enough to check into this if you’ll provide me with hard science instead of just giving me whatever currently passes for ‘popular consensus’. ... I enjoy pure, objective science. A shame so few in the biology field practice it anymore. Since such rarefied genius is hard to find, I'm inviting him to make his creationist arguments right mheah.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,18:54    This just in: Vegas giving 3 to 2 odds that he's ex-Air Force, or at least a pilot.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,18:56    I'll see your "pilot" and raise you "engineer". -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,18:57    I'm giving 5/2 he's an engineer.

rmagruder Posts: 20 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,18:59    That was a pretty classless thing to do. I made an argument on another board and you proceed to paste it here -- without my permission -- dripping with sarcasm, put my full name in the subject (thus making it personal rather than a discussion about a SUBJECT), on a clearly hostile board, and basically say to the people here "sic im'. Yeah, I'm going to take THAT bait.   But thanks for showing me how you operate.  Lesson learned. Randy

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,19:04    Yes.. fancy using words from a public message board. Shame on you, Steve! Randy.. at least please tell us about the insights engineering gives you, before you return to your thread derailing? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,19:05    Randy, the point of this site is for the people of Panda's Thumb to have discussions which don't exactly relate to the ones on Panda's Thumb. That's why it was started and maintained by the same people who do PT. It's not just some 'other board'.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,19:07    It does in fact say "from the panda's thumb" on here somewhere. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,19:12    Awww, he's chickening out. Quote Comment #105767 Posted by Randy Magruder on June 15, 2006 12:10 AM (e) | kill I can see how this thread could just get started going in circles. I could respond to your long answer with my long answer, to which you could respond to your long answer….ad infinitum. Any chance we’ll meet anywhere reasonable? Or will it just degenerate into a flame war with personal invective? I’m all too aware that I’m on enemy territory and highly outnumbered. I’m not sure what madness possessed me to write in here in the first place. I guess I sometimes forget that this is not a subject that can be discussed without a lot of name calling going on. I’ve been on this trip before. Especially when a discussion is done in a public forum, it turns into a giant pissing contest becuase no one wants to be seen as backing down. Nonetheless, it’s late and I’m tired. I shouldn’t have posted here at all. If you think that my unwillingness to let this thread get even further out of control is a sign of cowardice, think what you will. I’ve already had my name plastered on a topic in another forum without my consent or permission, with basically the invitation sent out to the natives to go ahead and attack me there (and it’s already beginning). I’m not taking the bait there, either. I can see that this is how you respond to anyone questioning you…and that’s a shame. Hardly worthy of associating the word ‘science’ with any of this. It’s nothing but personal invective. Randy http://www.pandasthumb.org/archive....-105767 What a shame.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,19:17    *sigh* Maybe he has an early flight / preflight check tomorrow. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

rmagruder Posts: 20 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,19:17    My final post: As I just joined this forum, and got a copy of the board rules, which say: "Messages which insult or attack an individual are not appropriate. As those messages should be regarded as inappropriate, it is also inappropriate to follow up such a message with a reply. Use email for such correspondence, or to register a complaint with the moderator(s). " This thread was personal from its conception, and I'm not going to feed it anymore.   bye all. Randy

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,19:20    Well, if you think you can make a scientific case, we'll be here.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,19:21    Bye Randy, it was 'real'.  Don't let the door knob hit you in the ass on the way out. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,19:23    Personal attack?!?! I called this Randy Magruder Destroys Evolution. You could at least destroy it. You made a liar out of me, Randy. My reputation will take a serious hit.

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,19:29    Don't worry Steve, your ability to successfully read an entire first- and surname, and bring it whole to another forum will soon be the stuff of legend.  We will chant your name for generations to come...if you give us permission, that is.   -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,19:31    Quote It’s great how you guys prove Ann had you guys pegged. Darwinism *is* the Catholic Church of the 21st century. Either subscribe to it’s laughable concept of science (I particularly love the attempts to equate evolution with gravity), or be subjected to a witch hunt. not much of a witchunter, is he? I saw more of the  "you guys are big meanies, so just shut up!" argument than I did any of the so called wonderful arguments from Coulter that Randy seems so hot about. Randy: If you think Coulter gives you wet dreams, you're welcome to explain why here.  Nobody is stopping you, but we all think you're simply afraid to see the truth. why is that? what do you have to be afraid of, but literally fear itself? Witchhunters are supposed to track down magic users, aren't they? come back and we'll show you who is really putting on the magic show. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,19:32    Quote Don't worry Steve, your ability to successfully read an entire first- and surname, and bring it whole to another forum will soon be the stuff of legend.  We will chant your name for generations to come...if you give us permission, that is. I give you permission to leave. -dt

Aardvark Posts: 134 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,19:34    Don't be sad for our friend Randy.  I'm sure our comrades over at UD will give a nice big snuggly welcome.  Maybe even posting rights in the near future?

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2006,20:09    My next album will be called: "Randy Magruder Destroys Evolution" -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

guthrie Posts: 696 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,01:49    Judging by his recognition that he is in enemy territory, and outnumbered, perhaps he might like to nominate neutral territory somewhere?   After all, we all want to know why his definition of science is so narrow as to exclude nearly as much science as a creationist.   Indeed, I would like him to explain why all other religions have trouble producing scientific evidence to back up their claims, whereas evolutionary biology does not.

guthrie Posts: 696 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,01:57    "Brave sir Robin..."

Flint Posts: 478 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,02:55    The thread title is a misnomer. As far as I can tell, Magruder hasn't the first clue what evolution is. He doesn't destroy it, he's not in the right time zone. But hey, it's a rare individual who both understands AND rejects evolution. Maybe Kurt Wise comprises that entire set. And Kurt Wise doesn't try to rationalize his rejection by misrepresenting or distorting evolution and then attacking the straw man. He upfront admits that evolution is far and away the best possible explanation for the currently available evidence - but evidence is not relevant. Randy doesn't seem to do either of these. No misrepresentation, no reliance on faith. His technique is to take potshots and then act insulted. Maybe he just finished reading "Rejecting the Uncomfortable, for the Complete Idiot."

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,04:02    Randy does have a point about the topic title. Fixed that. I would appreciate somewhat more decorum, too, in the comments. On the other hand, I see no merit in the notion that things offered for public discussion should be off-limits for comment elsewhere. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Renier Posts: 276 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,04:15    hhmmm. I think this Randy bloke might be bit smarter than Afdave. I mean, Afdave came here claiming he will destroy evolution. The only thing he DID destroy was his reputation, if he had any. Another reason I think Randy is smarter than Afdave is that if Randy had ANYTHING he thought he could "destroy" evolution with, he would still be here spilling the beans and slaying the evil minions with his holy words. On the other hand, Afdave thought his holy words would do the slaying, and are still trying to figure out what went wrong, because he must have been sure that God told him to oppose us in here. However, I am sure Afdave came to the conclusion that we are all lost to salvation, else we would have heeded his Godly words. In the end, we must be suckers, because we are still waiting on Afdave to produce his evidence, although I think Afdave actually meant "faith" and not evidence. It's was just a little typo but he is too proud to admit it. Come back here Randy and show us what you got. Are you afraid? We promise we will not call anyone who is not an idiot, an idiot. Deal? Don't be scared, we don't bite, although RGD might have fangs

Renier Posts: 276 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,04:21    Quote Don't be sad for our friend Randy.  I'm sure our comrades over at UD will give a nice big snuggly welcome.  Maybe even posting rights in the near future? Yeah, untill DaveScot feels slighted and threatens to pay him a personal visit and beat him up, just like DaveScot  threatend to do to JAD. I'll beat you up on your way outta here! - dt

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,04:21    Quote Randy does have a point about the topic title. Fixed that. I would appreciate somewhat more decorum, too, in the comments. But I was sure he was going to destroy evolution. Every day brings us closer to our Overdue Waterloo, Wes. :-)

rmagruder Posts: 20 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,04:28    okay, I glanced at the messages here ... I did pick up the topic title change.  Thanks. As far as whether its okay to move someone's comments from one board to another and effectively say 'let's fight'.... the problem is one of multiple fronts.  Let's say I took someone's post, copied it, pasted the guy's name and quote on every forum I could, and challenged him on all those forums.  Now anyone (at least, anyone with a life), is not going to be able to go to every forum where he's been quoted and challenged and put his dukes.... so the people on those forums say "Ha! Whattsa matta??? Too CHICKEN?!".  You're basically saying: "You not only have to continue THIS thread, but I've challenged you over on THIS thread, too...."  You win by swarming, no other reason. The way this topic was set up was akin to being directed down a dark alley and "pay no attention to the men with the brick bats".  And then if I don't wander in, I get to be called names.  Well, from what I can see, the insults would be coming either way.  If I come in and chat, I get insults.  If I don't come in and chat, I get.....insults. So what do I possibly have to gain from being here?  Zip. Now, if we're past all that, and someone wants to actually make the topic of discussion the evidence for and against evolution that's certainly great news.  If *I* am to be the topic of discussion, then I'm not going to waste my time. Randy

rmagruder Posts: 20 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,04:30    one more thing - I do have a day job...so I may not respond til this evening...don't read anything into that please. Randy

JMX Posts: 27 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,04:31    So then, what's "your evidence"?

Renier Posts: 276 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2006,04:36    Well Randy, it's not THAT bad being called names. Overall, I think there is good humour in here. Quote Now, if we're past all that, and someone wants to actually make the topic of discussion the evidence for and against evolution that's certainly great news.  If *I* am to be the topic of discussion, then I'm not going to waste my time. Well, you aqre a free man in here, and can even open a topic yourself! My I suggest for starters, you evidence against evolution. The evidence for evolution is a lot longer discussion, and could be the main course. Also, take note. We want evidence. Not faith, not hand waiving, not quote mining. If you are honest about this, then please, feel free and fire away.

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