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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,08:19    I don't know if this deserves its own thread. But we'll see what happens. http://www.virtual-creations.net/~youngcos/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=53

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,09:11    Quote Quartic decay (as Dr. Cheesman suggested) of light intensity vs. distance would suggest the universe is not 13,000,000,000 light years in "radius", but rather the square root of that, namely 114,000 light years across Oh, it needs it's own thread. However, the only problem will be the lack of participation over there. There are simply not enough kooks to keep OW, UD, Brainstorms, and youngcosmos amusing. The most notable thing about most of those sites is the lack of discussion, in comparison to something as inane as "pokemon forum" which gets almost 50,000 hits in google, for example. And I imagine most of them get more traffic the all the ID forums combined! Quote I have less trouble than most regarding 6 literal days for creation as meaning the stars were made in those 6 days. It's nice to see Sal openly admitting the depths of his folly though. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,09:15    Quote The mission of YoungCosmos is to provide a forum where the most serious scientific objections to a Young Earth can be raised and carefully considered. Although the process may not be pleasant for those sympathetic to a Young Earth, the process is necessary for Young Earth theory to progress as a serious scientific competitor. http://www.virtual-creations.net/~youngcos/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=73 So, it's like ok to go and present some objections :) -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,09:34    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 31 2007,09:15) Quote The mission of YoungCosmos is to provide a forum where the most serious scientific objections to a Young Earth can be raised and carefully considered. Although the process may not be pleasant for those sympathetic to a Young Earth, the process is necessary for Young Earth theory to progress as a serious scientific competitor. http://www.virtual-creations.net/~youngcos/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=73 So, it's like ok to go and present some objections :) Hope he does better than the EF... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,09:53    Sal says Quote stars were made If they were made, they were designed. If they were designed the EF claims to detect that. I'll ask Sal if the EF notes the sun as designed...... -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,10:20    Quote I'll ask Sal if the EF notes the sun as designed...... anyone want to wager on the form of the response?  i'm dying inside. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,10:57    I started to look at the main site (http://www.youngcosmos.com).  Sadly, I can't get past the second paragraph without falling off my chair: Quote Advanced Creation Science Whoops!  On the floor again!  This is starting to hurt.   Let's try it once more.  I'm going to hold on really tight this time. Quote Advanced Creation Science Ow!  Ow!  Ow! -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,11:08    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,July 31 2007,10:20) Quote I'll ask Sal if the EF notes the sun as designed...... anyone want to wager on the form of the response?  i'm dying inside. well how about that, somebody asked already.... Link :p -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,11:15    Quote Dedicated to exploring the possibility that all universe and life have come into existence very recently by an act of Intelligent Design Well, Sal is a good sport to acknowledge what we've known all along, namely that there's no principled difference between Creationism and Intelligent Design. Or would Sal object that "Young Earth Intelligent Design" is a very different thing from Young Earth Creationism? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,13:05    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 31 2007,11:15)   Quote Dedicated to exploring the possibility that all universe and life have come into existence very recently by an act of Intelligent Design Well, Sal is a good sport to acknowledge what we've known all along, namely that there's no principled difference between Creationism and Intelligent Design. Or would Sal object that "Young Earth Intelligent Design" is a very different thing from Young Earth Creationism? Sal Cordova is a huge liability to any pretense that ID is not religion. Not to mention other liabilities, such as quote-mining. -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,14:05    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 31 2007,09:11)   Quote Quartic decay (as Dr. Cheesman suggested) of light intensity vs. distance would suggest the universe is not 13,000,000,000 light years in "radius", but rather the square root of that, namely 114,000 light years across Oh, it needs it's own thread. However, the only problem will be the lack of participation over there. There are simply not enough kooks to keep OW, UD, Brainstorms, and youngcosmos amusing. The most notable thing about most of those sites is the lack of discussion, in comparison to something as inane as "pokemon forum" which gets almost 50,000 hits in google, for example. And I imagine most of them get more traffic the all the ID forums combined!     Quote I have less trouble than most regarding 6 literal days for creation as meaning the stars were made in those 6 days. It's nice to see Sal openly admitting the depths of his folly though. Well, SN1987A is 169,000 light years away. This distance is independent of the speed of light decaying or not!  A counter-intuitive result, but one you can check for yourself.   SN1987A formed a ring, and light from the supernova bounced off the ring and arrived at earth 400 days later than the supernova.  To keep the analysis simple, make a right triangle (the ring is not perpendicular but tilted in reality).   The angle is 1.66 arc seconds or 1.66 / 3600 degrees.  The sine is the diameter of the ring.  The cosine is the distance to the supernova.  The hypotenuse is the light bouncing off the ring.  The path length difference is 400 days, since the hypotenuse and cosine are very close to the same length.  Now assume that the speed of light was ten times faster for one year. Both rays of light travel the same distance (10 light years), with the remaining distance to be travelled still 400 light days different, and the light arrives 400 days apart. -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,14:13    Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ July 31 2007,13:05) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 31 2007,11:15)   Quote Dedicated to exploring the possibility that all universe and life have come into existence very recently by an act of Intelligent Design Well, Sal is a good sport to acknowledge what we've known all along, namely that there's no principled difference between Creationism and Intelligent Design. Or would Sal object that "Young Earth Intelligent Design" is a very different thing from Young Earth Creationism? Sal Cordova is a huge liability to any pretense that ID is not religion. I couldn't be happier with Sal as a prominent internet advocate for Intelligent Design. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Robert O'Brien Posts: 348 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,14:56    SAL CORDOVA: And that, my lord, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped. BILL DEMBSKI: This new learning amazes me, Sal.  Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes. SAL CORDOVA: Of course, my Liege ... -------------- Caeli enarrant gloriam Dei

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,17:06    Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ July 31 2007,13:05) Sal Cordova is a huge liability to any pretense that ID is not religion. Well heck, **all** IDers are.  Ain't NONE of them can go ten minutes withoput launching into the "Bible blah blah blah Jesus blah blah blah God blah blah blah" routine. Just read UD for ten minutes. As I've always said, all you gotta do is just sit back and let them talk long enough, and they shoot *themselves* in the head every single time.  Proudly. They simply cannot shut their big mouths. They are by far their own worst enemies. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

IanBrown_101 Posts: 927 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,18:02    Quote (Robert O'Brien @ July 31 2007,14:56) SAL CORDOVA: And that, my lord, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped. BILL DEMBSKI: This new learning amazes me, Sal.  Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes. SAL CORDOVA: Of course, my Liege ... Someone needs to photoshop photos of Sal and Dr Dr Dembski onto a picture of Arthur and Bedivere. -------------- I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest. You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK Roddenberry is my God.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,18:47    FSM help me but I'm a masochist.  I went and hit Sal with the same C14 cal curve consilience question in his C14 thread we've been beating AFDave with (I posted there as 'Tiggy' ).  He's already gone through one iteration of mindless AIG C&P 'evidence' that completely fails to address the question.  Wonder how long before he introduces Jesus into the equation?  He's already brought in DA FLUD.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,20:29    Quote (Robert O'Brien @ July 31 2007,15:56) SAL CORDOVA: And that, my lord, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped. BILL DEMBSKI: This new learning amazes me, Sal.  Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes. SAL CORDOVA: Of course, my Liege ... LOL. Rob, you're not a bad guy sometimes.

Henry J Posts: 5787 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,22:38    Re "And that, my lord, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped." That idea could have a peel...

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2007,00:42    Well, that didn't take long. Sal has already removed my criticisms from the C14 dating thread and banned me from posting there. One a craven YEC always a craven YEC I guess.  Dembski and DaveTard woud be proud! Now let's see how long before I get banned totally. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2007,04:23    Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 01 2007,02:29) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ July 31 2007,15:56) SAL CORDOVA: And that, my lord, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped. BILL DEMBSKI: This new learning amazes me, Sal.  Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes. SAL CORDOVA: Of course, my Liege ... LOL. Rob, you're not a bad guy sometimes. No Steve! Bad Steve. We DON'T say that. Louis P.S. I AM joking, I read RO'B's post, laughed, read the poster's name, did a double take, laughed and raised a glass in RO'B's honour. -------------- Bye.

JAM Posts: 517 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2007,09:33    If things fall apart at Sal's place, I think I've got a live one here: http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2007/07/in-search-of-evolution.html

Paul Flocken Posts: 290 Joined: Dec. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2007,10:09    Quote scordova Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:04 pm Dr. Jellison, I do not want to minimize whatsover that you may be right. I was merely pointing out the possible (even if remote) chance CDK might be able to survive the problem you pointed out. The eclipsing binaries in Andromeda may have an alternative explanation, and the fact that 9% of spectroscopic binaires are eclipsing was suggested as an anomaly (perhaps a disconfirming anomaly) as well. We are afterall only getting pulses out of "eclipsing binaries". We do not in fact have their orbits in plain sight. I read this and heard the distinct sound in my mind of: "WERE YOU THERE?" "WERE YOU THERE?" "WERE YOU THERE?" "WERE YOU THERE?" "WERE YOU THERE?" "WERE YOU THERE?" "WERE YOU THERE?" "WERE YOU THERE?" -------------- "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie--deliberate, contrived, and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.  Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."-John F. Kennedy

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2007,10:43    Quote (JAM @ Aug. 01 2007,09:33) If things fall apart at Sal's place, I think I've got a live one here: http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2007/07/in-search-of-evolution.html JAM - Excellent catch - How and where did you find these nuts?  Did you just google "nut-jobs"? Inquiring minds want to know! Maybe we should have a contest some day to find the runner-up dumbest ID blogs (UD of course will always be #1 - in our hearts, if not in the numbers). -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Gunthernacus Posts: 235 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2007,12:40    Sal is a self-fluffer...                       Quote Sal: I delight to consider myself [Dr. Cheesman's] partner                   Quote Sal: I'm going to call this dilation SCC Dilation (Setterfield-Cheesman-Cordova) Sal has been talking about Setterfield for over three and a half years, at least:  Sal @ ARN  But, how serious is he about following the science with YEC implications?  Just last week, he admitted:                     Quote Actually until you pointed out the Andromeda and Magellan formations I was not aware of binaries that far away. From his C14 radiometric dating thread:                   Quote In 2004 some of my personal research augmented that of Loma Linda/GRI Either that is more self-fluffing, or Sal must have been pretty knowledgeable about radiometric dating.  From the ARN post linked above:           Quote                 Quote faded_Glory: Salvador, All you show are 'proofs by contradiction', but surely a young Earth would have many traces left of its short history? One example would be short-lived radioactive isotopes. Where are they? fG, I do respect your opinion here, you are clearly more knowledgeble in these areas.  I present the argument with caution, I could be wrong (and fall back to OEC), but for the sake of defending the YEC thesis, I will try to entertain your objection to the best of my ability. Can you point me to a link to spool me up on radiometric dating? Your question deserves to be answered. I will do my best to honor your question. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, however, there may be some possibilities to radioactive decay related to the speed of light being variable (strange as that may sound). What a fluffer!  The argument he cautiously presents is that "there may be some possibilities to radioactive decay related to the speed of light being variable" and to ask for a link where he can read up on radiometric dating.  How telling that his personal research ignorant googling can augment YEC research.  Sal puts the "fun" in fundie. -------------- Given that we are all descended from Adam and Eve...genetic defects as a result of intra-family marriage would not begin to crop up until after the first few dozen generations. - Dr. Hugh Ross

JAM Posts: 517 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2007,12:46    Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 01 2007,10:43)   Quote (JAM @ Aug. 01 2007,09:33) If things fall apart at Sal's place, I think I've got a live one here: http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2007/07/in-search-of-evolution.html JAM - Excellent catch - How and where did you find these nuts?  Did you just google "nut-jobs"? Inquiring minds want to know! I found it because Bradford of TT linked to it on his own blog. This guy is hysterically funny, yet articulate--check out his justification for using the term "female drones." It's a special brand of tard.

IanBrown_101 Posts: 927 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2007,14:12    Quote (Gunthernacus @ Aug. 01 2007,12:40) Quote Sal: I'm going to call this dilation SCC Dilation (Setterfield-Cheesman-Cordova) From the Crackpot Index. Quote 20 points for naming something after yourself. (E.g., talking about the "The Evans Field Equation" when your name happens to be Evans.) -------------- I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest. You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK Roddenberry is my God.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2007,16:27    Sal is living up to his reputation as one of the most dishonest  scumbag YECs to ever touch fingers to keyboard. He is now using his Mod powers to go into threads I started, delete posts, and remove / edit damaging evidence without any notice that the post was edited by him. What a dishonest piece of shit. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 01 2007,16:42    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 01 2007,16:27) Sal is living up to his reputation as one of the most dishonest  scumbag YECs to ever touch fingers to keyboard. He is now using his Mod powers to go into threads I started, delete posts, and remove / edit damaging evidence without any notice that the post was edited by him. What a dishonest piece of shit. :angry: http://www.apostolic.edu/biblestudy/files/9th-com.htm -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2007,02:01    Sal explains why he's pro ID: http://www.virtual-creations.net/~youngcos/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=43 Quote I started getting interested in ID in 2001 when my father was terminally ill and I was searching for meaning in life. There were also future missionaries from my churches and Bible studies who were risking their lives for their faith. It bothered my conscience that if the Bible were false, I was merely encouraging them toward their doom. One of the missionaries was Heather Mercer who became world famous in 2001 when US Army rangers rescued her from the Taliban. Thus, I had to be assured that ID was probably true so I could sleep at night, for their sake. If ID were false, the moral thing to do would be to discourage them from being missionaries. This sums up Sal. He re-imagines reality to compensate for his immorality. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2007,09:30    That's textbook bad reasoning.

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