Louis
Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006
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FTK,
Thanks for the link to the Folsom* St Fair images FTK, they were HILARIOUS!
I doubt I'll ever go, S+M and homosexuality are not really my bag, but each to their own (so long as it's between capable, conscious, consenting adults etc).
Part A)
You are still equating CONSENTING acts (however unpleasant/undesired personally to/by you, the pope, my mum, the pizza delivery bloke) between ADULTS to the NON-CONSENTING VIOLATION of a CHILD.
Do you not see the problem there at all?
CONSENTING ACTS between ADULTS.
NON-CONSENTING ACTS involving the VIOLATION of a CHILD.
One of these things is not like the other.
Hmmmm I'm not sure how much clearer I can make this difference for you. That these are public acts you do not like and sexual acts you do not like, does not make them equivalent to raping children. It doesn't matter if it's the greatest excess of the Folsom Street Fair or the quietest and most polite act of private sex between a couple, these things are in no way like the non-consenting violation of a prepubescent child.
Part B)
Let's deal with your pathetic drivel about "loving, caring relationships". Some questions, I'll answer them too, I've got nothing to be ashamed of:
1) Did you have sex before marriage FTK?
I did. Lots.
2) Have you had sex with someone other than your husband FTK?
I've had sex with someone other than my wife. Several people in fact.
3) Have you ever had sex in more than one sexual position?
I have! Woohoo! I've been through the Kama Sutra and back again!
4) Have you ever used anything in your sexual practises other than just the bodies of you and your husband? (For example: sex toys, food, restraints)
See the answer above. I've tried a lot of things both with my wife and with other people, all consenting naturally.
5) Have you ever had anal sex? (Giving or receiving)
I have. Not telling you any more than that though. I'll leave it to your imagination.
6) Have you ever had public, or potentially public sex of any kind? For example "parking" in a car on "Makeout Point" or the equivalent. Perhaps on the beach or in a forest. Any sort of sexual act from passionate kissing on upwards where you might have been caught by some unsuspecting, and presumably disapproving, passer-by.
Deary me, I have, a lot!
7) With reference to 6), have you ever been caught?
Deary me, I have, more than once!
8) Have you ever had sex with someone you didn't love or don't intend to stay with in the long term. For example a one night stand or a "booty call" with a "fuck-buddy" (as I believe the youth are referring to such things)?
Good gravy! I have! Woohoo! Some of it was fantastic!
I could go on. There's a point here, well, several points here. All of the above is pretty tame. I could go on and make you really blush and perhaps even shock you, however, I'm feeling kind. Only slightly kind though.
What have YOU done that someone else might consider "deviant"? Judge not lest ye be judged and all, FTK. I'm more than happy to admit that I have engaged in a whole slew of sexual activity that was outside of a loving, caring relationship and was absolutely not aimed at forming one. I'm more than happy to admit it to it because it has all been perfectly consensual sex between capable adults, all of whom knew what they wanted, knew what they were doing and engaged of their own free choice. We all parted company undamaged as far as I am aware! I'm still in, infrequent but pleasant, contact with all my ex-girlfriends. Obviously I am not in contact with one night stands etc, but since I doubt those ladies were after anything more either and we parted on pleasant terms. I also doubt that they would be pining away with an altar to Louis in their back room, idolising the one that got away!
So the first point is this, I have engaged in a variety of sexual acts outside of, and definitely not intended to form a loving, caring relationship with another person purely for the sexual gratification of myself and my partner(s). Does this make me the equivalent of a paedophile? Can my sexual behaviour be equated to that of a paedophile? What about my wife, is she equivalent to a paedophile? Does her behaviour equate to that of a paedophile? Or is it just people who engage in homosexual/S+M/public acts at the Folsom Street Fair?
The main point here obviously being that for every act portrayed in the pictures you link I can find a heterosexual equivalent that you've (yet to) rail against as being equivalent to paedophilia. Google the "Cap D'Agde" if you don't believe me. That's not a fair that occurs for a few days, that's a whole resort aimed at a more {ahem} sexually liberal clientèle. The sub-point is that your criteria are far too narrow, and likely hypocritical. Does having a one night stand make you equivalent to a paedophile? Of course it fucking doesn't, and your dishonest shillyshallying around this thread doesn't disguise your prejudice and bigotry one jot. You are, as usual fooling no one.
The second point is who are YOU to judge the sexual mores and practises of others. Where did everyone else on the planet sign up to an arbitrary set of sexual standards that you (and your odious ideological chums) police? Please don't trot out the tired cliché of legality because there are any number of immoral things that are legal and moral things that are illegal in a variety of legal and moral systems. Morality does not equal legality.
Whilst you (and even I) might not personally engage in or even like (some of) the acts that some people at the Folsom Street Fair these people are engaging in these acts consentingly. They go to the fair, they participate (to the extent that they wish to), and they go home. They are not forcing you to go there and participate, they are not forcing themselves on children or non-consenting people, whether or not you or I enjoy, or would enjoy, what they are doing is utterly irrelevant. They enjoy it and are, most importantly, doing no one any more harm by engaging in those acts than you are I do when we engage in the acts we enjoy. Where does your moral authority derive from in equating (relatively) harmless sexual acts you don't like with the (demonstrably) harmful act of raping a child? Make your case as opposed to flannelling around and hyperventilating as you try to avoid the question.
Remember no one is saying you have no right to your views only that you support them honestly, with reason an evidence when you express them.
Third, if your point is that the acts that occur at the Folsom Street Fair are "abnormal" or "deviant" in the sense that they are "uncommon", then define "normal" or what standard they are deviating from. I used to play a lot of rugby, globally very few people play rugby, far less than are homosexual for example. Therefore playing rugby "deviates" from the "norm" of not playing rugby. I also saw the occasional willy in the showers after the match. Therefore by your pathetic "fundylogic" playing rugby, which involves visible willies, is equivalent to some other deviant act like, say, paedophilia, if that is the sense you are using those words.
Part C)
This:
Quote | I KNOW 98% of you agree with me, but you're too bloody stubborn to ever admit it, because God forbid you agree with FtK (gasp!). |
Is yet another example unintentional hilarity from you.
No FTK, a huge number of people here and elsewhere do NOT agree with you on this at all. For good reason. You are wrong. Not because we, as people, disagree, but because your views disagree with the available evidence. See previous comments about why you are a bigot. People here (and elsewhere) disagree with you because you are wrong, not because they wouldn't want to agree with you. Interesting projection on your part though. Say something I agree with and I'll agree with you. Say something I don't and I won't.
Part D)
I read in a variety of your posts that you are keen to combat unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases. Excellent. So am I. I look forward to you promoting a woman's right to chose an abortion and opposing restrictions thereof. I look forward to you supporting efforts to combat fundamentalist inspired abstinence only/abstinence plus sex education and restrictions of access to contraception and "Plan B". I look forward to posts from you detailing the plethora of evidence that demonstrates the failure of abstinence only/plus sex education and restrictions on contraception as methods of controlling sexual infections and unwanted pregnancy. I look forward to your posts detailing the efforts you are putting in to liberate women and remove the shackles placed on women's sexuality and safety by fundamentalists with surprisingly similar views to your own.
Oh and by the way FTK, I've had some freaky, consensual, casual and non casual sex with a reasonable number of people. I've never had even one single sexually transmitted disease nor caused even one single unwanted pregnancy. I am far from alone in this. Like everything in life, sex can be engaged in for simple pleasure and gratification perfectly responsibly. Just FYI.
Part E)
From your original post at your Bleurg:
Quote | Interesting that homosexuals, who seem to be so disgruntled that Christians do not support their choice of lifestyle, carry on in such a manner that it provides support for the biblical view that homosexuality is a perversion. |
Homosexuality is a perversion, hey? You're quite explicit you know FTK, you can't hide from your own words. Even your rapid goalpost shift here is insufficient.
"Homosexuality is a perversion", clear as day, in your words. The acts of people at the Folsom Street Fair support the view that homosexuality is a perversion. Not the acts at Folsom Street Fair are a perversion and "other homosexual activity is not a perversion", but "Interesting that homosexuals...carry on in such a manner that it provides support for the biblical view that homosexuality is a perversion."
All your denial and goalpost moving subsequent to that is simply dishonest, FTK. And you wonder why you are called on it. You don't want to appear to be the odious bigot and homophobe you are so you tap dance about in order to disguise it.
You claim the only difference between the acts at the Folsom Street Fair and paedophilia is that the lack of consent in the latter makes it ILLEGAL! Really? THAT'S IT? And in the same post you mention that people get jailed for acts like those at Folsom all the time. Hmmm would those acts be illegal then? Unless people are being jailed for those legal acts....
You can't even maintain coherence within a single post you are so confused a bigot!
Bahhhhh I'm done obliterating you. You're too pathetic to even mock sometimes. Answer those questions FTK, let's have a giggle and see if you can live up to the entirely arbitrary standards you claim the rest of the world should.
Have a sexy day, FTK.
Louis
*I was spelling it wrong before. I think Fulsom ----> Fulsome is better for comedy reasons though. I have heard of it though, and frankly it always seemed to me to be at the extreme end of things, hence why I am not desperate to go there particularly. The Burning Man festival however.....
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