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The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,02:51    I thought it would be a good idea to have a thread where links to various examples of religious discrimination, bigotry, hatred, and oppression are posted. Whenever you see such examples, please post them here. Like this one: black pastors against gay marriage "CAAP says it believes gay Americans should have equal civil rights, but that it does not believe there should be a right to legally marry someone of the same sex." Huh? What? What "equal civil rights"? I wonder how they would like it if someone said to them, 'Black Americans should have equal civil rights, but I do not believe there should be a right for blacks to legally marry someone of the same skin color.' ? Of course a lot of religious zealots of other races also hate gays and want to restrict their rights and behavior (or kill them), but I'm especially infuriated that members of a so-called 'minority' that has been bitching about discrimination and oppression for centuries would be eager to discriminate against and oppress others. I'm not gay, and I don't think that gays should be off limits for what they think are offensive remarks (just like everyone else), but I also feel that laws should not be used to discriminate against or oppress people for things that they were born with and cannot change, as long as those things don't hurt anyone else. I'm pretty damn sure that most gay people would say that they can't change their sexual orientation any more than a black person can change their skin color. Why does anyone give a shit about who marries who and what consenting adults do behind closed doors? All marriage really is anyway is a three party legal contract, between the two people getting married and the state. Legally restricting marriage to hetero couples won't make gay people stop being gay, just like Prohibition didn't make people stop drinking alcohol.   Yeah, I sometimes get irritated at gay people who obnoxiously and publicly flaunt radical behavior but I don't care if they want to get married to other gay people or screw each other in any way they like. Besides, if they're allowed to get married, some of them will find out that it's not necessarily a great idea, just like a lot of hetero couples. And what's with that "God's law" bullshit? Fuck "God" and its so-called "law". By the way, last time I looked, marriage was a "civil" matter and comes under the heading of "civil rights". I'll bet that gordon e mullings (who is black) is a strong supporter of CAAP. He's on the warpath against gays. Edited by The whole truth on May 23 2012,00:58 -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Robin Posts: 1431 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,08:55    Quote (The whole truth @ May 23 2012,02:51) Why does anyone give a shit about who marries who and what consenting adults do behind closed doors? All marriage really is anyway is a three party legal contract, between the two people getting married and the state. Legally restricting marriage to hetero couples won't make gay people stop being gay, just like Prohibition didn't make people stop drinking alcohol.   And what's with that "God's law" bullshit? Fuck "God" and its so-called "law". By the way, last time I looked, marriage was a "civil" matter and comes under the heading of "civil rights". While I get what you're saying - and personally I could care less who gets married - I think you might be missing the actual issue here. Many religious people, particular conservative religious people, miss some imaginary bygone days when God was important and people followed the RULZTM and everyone was white, polite, and AMERICA meant something. While I'm being a bit silly, the underlying perception is quite real. I know what those folks wish for - it's an idealized version of the late 40s/early 50s America, except one where God is in the White House. Anything that the bible even hints at being evil - or can be interpreted as evil - does not exist in this fantasy world they dream of. God's minions roam the Earth actually seeking out and destroying evil hidden in the dark corners. In this world Men are the head of the household and women make the home a comfortable place for said men. That is the ONLY relationship system that exists in this world and "marriage" is the term for this system. This is the system set forth by God, mind you, so there is no such thing as any other configuration. The State is only involved in the Institution insofar as it enforces (on God's behalf of course) the rights of Men in this system as defined by the RULZTM. And so on and so forth... That's why they fight against gay marriage - they see it as yet more evidence that Satan is in control of the world and that He is working to destroy the world God ordained. No joke. -------------- we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,09:04    I find it interesting that Christians dismiss entire swaths of Leviticus based on a single passage attributed to Jesus. But they keep the injunctions they want to keep. So it is OK to eat pork, but we can still stone gays. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Robin Posts: 1431 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,09:44    Quote (midwifetoad @ May 23 2012,09:04) I find it interesting that Christians dismiss entire swaths of Leviticus based on a single passage attributed to Jesus. But they keep the injunctions they want to keep. So it is OK to eat pork, but we can still stone gays. Yeah...there are a number of similar inconsistencies that conservative Christians adopt. Although, one rationalization I've heard that I can at least understand (though I disagree with it) is that Jesus did away with the basic Levitican laws, but Paul reiterated that homosexuality is an abomination even under the new testament. That Paul actually does no such thing is of course a separate discussion. -------------- we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,09:54    There's two points here 1) This is very, very much an us/them kind of thing.  These true believers were raised as true believers and are busy raising another generation of true believers.  The "us" is those in their church.  That's it.  Other churches within their religion are only tolerated.*  If one moves, then it's OK to find a new church, but that's about the only acceptable reason.   The "them" is everyone else.  Those people are not "The Tru Peeple".  They are almost sub-human.  It's OK for a Christian to lie to a non-christian... it's not like they are members of the church or anything.  It literally doesn't even cross their mind to think about it. As long as you support your in group, then anything else is pretty much acceptable.  If you aren't in the in-group, even in the church, then your life will be pretty miserable.  A more clannish/cliqueish society than churches has never been found. 2) The vast majority of the people in these churches have never read the Bible.  They haven't a clue what it says and generally don't care.  The pastor tells them what it says.** It's really pretty stunning how much control a pastor has over his congregation.  A new pastor can radically alter the power pyramid / social structure within a church. Anyway, I don't know about other churches (but I suspect it's very similar), the Southern Baptist Convention basically tells the pastors how to preach and what to preach when.  I would not be surprised if most of the sermons aren't even written by the pastor, but either copied from another pastor or handed down from the Convention.   I talk a lot about the SBC because that's what I was raised in.  To paraphrase Obi-wan, it is a wretched hive of discrimination and bigotry.  Oh... and don't forget hypocrisy... massive, toe-curling amounts of hypocrisy.  Remember though, it's OK because you're being hypocritical to "them". ___ * There is some seriously bad blood between the various Southern Baptist Churches in my home area.  I mean, seriously... ** and if he's had a lick of actual training, he knows it's all a sham, but preaches to the sheeple anyway. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2012,22:59    expelled for not thumping hard enough -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 26 2012,05:21    http://au.org/blogs....ut-of-a Quote When Sissy Bradford stood up for the Constitution, she was rewarded with intimidation and death threats. Bradford, an adjunct criminology professor at Texas A&M University-San Antonio, complained in 2011 about a taxpayer-funded tower featuring four Christian crosses being built near the entrance to the campus. The tower was on private land, but it was built with city funds, featured the university seal and was on track to someday become the property of the public school. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

sledgehammer Posts: 533 Joined: Sep. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2012,12:20    Head of the "Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention", Richard Land, caught plagiarizing?  Who'd a thunk it? From Sarah Posner, Religious Dispatches:     Quote    Richard Land, currently under investigation by his employer, the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, told the group, "We must all be willing to stand up and tell the government 'no.' Secularists don't like people of faith because the ultimate authority for us is not the state. The ultimate authority is God."    Aha! That explains everything, doesn't it? If all those state-worshipping liberals would just let the conservatives put God in charge, we wouldn't have all these problems with health insurance coverage for ladyparts and gay people getting married and whatnot.    Land, as you may recall, said some really racist, spiteful things on his radio show about the Trayvon Martin case. He apologized for those comments, but Baptist scholar and blogger Aaron Weaver called it a "non-apology apology" and questioned Land's assertion that "I have been committed to the cause of racial reconciliation my entire ministry."    Weaver also caught Land plagiarizing, specifically reading from published work of others and passing it off as his own on his radio show. For that, the ERLC is investigating him, but lo and behold, the head of the committee in charge of the investigation just stepped down to spend more time with his church. (The resigning trustee, in a you-can't-make-this-up-twist, is the Rev. Steve Faith.)  His replacement, the Rev. Richard Piles, tells the Tennessean's Bob Smietana that Faith's departure did not signal any dissension within the committee. Piles added, "I am a fan of Dr. Land. I am in his corner through this process and want to see him succeed and hope that he can continue in his ministry." So I guess there won't be any surprises when the investigating committee issues its report June 1. (underlines are additional links in original) -------------- The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein  (H/T, JAD) If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 20 2012,05:17    This is pretty funny, in a way. The christians are discriminating against islam and they say that islam isn't a "real" religion but they're finding out that religions other than christianity are just as "real" by law (even though no religion is actually "real").   So, to all you christians (and especially you IDiots) out there who want to shove your version of your christian religion into schools and government and science and everything else, know this: If your religion is allowed by law, so is any other religion, no matter how much you don't like those other religions. The so-called "academic freedom" and "allow both sides" crap that you christian IDiots are pushing would ultimately open the door to any and all religious beliefs being allowed (or forced) into your childrens' classrooms and whatever else that christianity is allowed or forced into. Is that really what you want? Just because you believe that your religious beliefs are the only "real" ones doesn't mean that every other religious person agrees with you. What you think of as 'religious freedom' is not 'christian only freedom' and it's not 'your version of christianity only freedom'. Edited by The whole truth on July 20 2012,03:23 -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 20 2012,08:35    Quote (The whole truth @ July 20 2012,05:17) This is pretty funny, in a way. The christians are discriminating against islam and they say that islam isn't a "real" religion but they're finding out that religions other than christianity are just as "real" by law (even though no religion is actually "real").   So, to all you christians (and especially you IDiots) out there who want to shove your version of your christian religion into schools and government and science and everything else, know this: If your religion is allowed by law, so is any other religion, no matter how much you don't like those other religions. The so-called "academic freedom" and "allow both sides" crap that you christian IDiots are pushing would ultimately open the door to any and all religious beliefs being allowed (or forced) into your childrens' classrooms and whatever else that christianity is allowed or forced into. Is that really what you want? Just because you believe that your religious beliefs are the only "real" ones doesn't mean that every other religious person agrees with you. What you think of as 'religious freedom' is not 'christian only freedom' and it's not 'your version of christianity only freedom'. I once calculated (and this was some time ago and I'm not doing it all again, so the numbers may be off slightly) that if I were to teach the creation story legally and I spent about 3 minutes on each one, then I would have to spend 100 school days teaching all the known creation stories... not including science based ones. Of course, between that an the pretest for testing, and the review test, and the post review exam, and the make up pre-test, and the review of the tests and teaching that... Oh don't forget to leave time out for football, basketball, volleyball, band, cheerleading, academic UIL, theatre, and sick time... It would take me about 3 years to teach Intro to Biology. Of course, I had to explain to my principle that evolution actually is in the Texas standards after some students complained that I was teaching evolution. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2012,04:07    Quote (OgreMkV @ July 20 2012,06:35) Quote (The whole truth @ July 20 2012,05:17) This is pretty funny, in a way. The christians are discriminating against islam and they say that islam isn't a "real" religion but they're finding out that religions other than christianity are just as "real" by law (even though no religion is actually "real").   So, to all you christians (and especially you IDiots) out there who want to shove your version of your christian religion into schools and government and science and everything else, know this: If your religion is allowed by law, so is any other religion, no matter how much you don't like those other religions. The so-called "academic freedom" and "allow both sides" crap that you christian IDiots are pushing would ultimately open the door to any and all religious beliefs being allowed (or forced) into your childrens' classrooms and whatever else that christianity is allowed or forced into. Is that really what you want? Just because you believe that your religious beliefs are the only "real" ones doesn't mean that every other religious person agrees with you. What you think of as 'religious freedom' is not 'christian only freedom' and it's not 'your version of christianity only freedom'. I once calculated (and this was some time ago and I'm not doing it all again, so the numbers may be off slightly) that if I were to teach the creation story legally and I spent about 3 minutes on each one, then I would have to spend 100 school days teaching all the known creation stories... not including science based ones. Of course, between that an the pretest for testing, and the review test, and the post review exam, and the make up pre-test, and the review of the tests and teaching that... Oh don't forget to leave time out for football, basketball, volleyball, band, cheerleading, academic UIL, theatre, and sick time... It would take me about 3 years to teach Intro to Biology. Of course, I had to explain to my principle that evolution actually is in the Texas standards after some students complained that I was teaching evolution. I find myself thinking of the phrase, "Be careful what you wish for..." If the IDiots were to succeed in cramming their religious beliefs into science classes in public schools they would soon find out that other religions or versions of religions can do the same thing, and as you pointed out that would present some BIG problems with the time it would take to teach all the thousands of various religious beliefs on creation/design/evolution or whatever, plus all the other problems that would be generated. Imagine kids telling their parents, 'Hey mom and dad, we studied Voodoo in science class today and tomorrow we're going to study Satanism!' -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2012,06:03    Equal opportunity, time for Darwinism, Atheism, Spiritism, Scientology, everything with 'ism' at the end and soo much more, would be fun! Time to incorporate the Church of Darwinism? -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2012,08:56    I've thought for some years now that a true discussion of the "alternatives" would pit science directly against religion. I don't think kids are dishonest enough to buy the unnamed designer crap. They would know. Any real discussion would have to discuss the history of science, Copernicus, Galileo, Newton's speculations on angels as the tweakers of planetary orbits.. In short, the history of the successive retreat of the design hypothesis from all other areas of science. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2012,11:59    Quote (sledgehammer @ May 28 2012,12:20) Head of the "Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention", Richard Land, caught plagiarizing?  Who'd a thunk it? From Sarah Posner, Religious Dispatches:       Quote    Richard Land, currently under investigation by his employer, the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, told the group, "We must all be willing to stand up and tell the government 'no.' Secularists don't like people of faith because the ultimate authority for us is not the state. The ultimate authority is God."    Aha! That explains everything, doesn't it? If all those state-worshipping liberals would just let the conservatives put God in charge, we wouldn't have all these problems with health insurance coverage for ladyparts and gay people getting married and whatnot.    Land, as you may recall, said some really racist, spiteful things on his radio show about the Trayvon Martin case. He apologized for those comments, but Baptist scholar and blogger Aaron Weaver called it a "non-apology apology" and questioned Land's assertion that "I have been committed to the cause of racial reconciliation my entire ministry."    Weaver also caught Land plagiarizing, specifically reading from published work of others and passing it off as his own on his radio show. For that, the ERLC is investigating him, but lo and behold, the head of the committee in charge of the investigation just stepped down to spend more time with his church. (The resigning trustee, in a you-can't-make-this-up-twist, is the Rev. Steve Faith.)  His replacement, the Rev. Richard Piles, tells the Tennessean's Bob Smietana that Faith's departure did not signal any dissension within the committee. Piles added, "I am a fan of Dr. Land. I am in his corner through this process and want to see him succeed and hope that he can continue in his ministry." So I guess there won't be any surprises when the investigating committee issues its report June 1. (underlines are additional links in original) Again with the "ultimate authority" nonsense. There is no "ultimate authority" with me. There is only an ecosystem of facts placed in context, tested hypotheses, theories, statistics, anecdotes, opinions, and my impressions and observations. "The state" is also not a monolithic thing, but a collaboration between people. I love how people like this always get all teary-eyed about "democracy" but hate its practical application, or compromise, or gray areas in life. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2012,17:30    Quote "The state" is also not a monolithic thing, but a collaboration between people. Or should be!

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,04:50    Quote (Quack @ July 21 2012,04:03) Equal opportunity, time for Darwinism, Atheism, Spiritism, Scientology, everything with 'ism' at the end and soo much more, would be fun! Time to incorporate the Church of Darwinism? "Time to incorporate the Church of Darwinism?" Maybe so. Think of the tax breaks. :) -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,04:59    Quote (midwifetoad @ July 21 2012,06:56) I've thought for some years now that a true discussion of the "alternatives" would pit science directly against religion. I don't think kids are dishonest enough to buy the unnamed designer crap. They would know. Any real discussion would have to discuss the history of science, Copernicus, Galileo, Newton's speculations on angels as the tweakers of planetary orbits.. In short, the history of the successive retreat of the design hypothesis from all other areas of science. If religion (e.g. ID) were allowed or forced into public school science classes it would also pit religions against religions and against thousands of versions of religions, in a science class. -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 22 2012,05:02    Quote (Kristine @ July 21 2012,09:59) Quote (sledgehammer @ May 28 2012,12:20) Head of the "Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention", Richard Land, caught plagiarizing?  Who'd a thunk it? From Sarah Posner, Religious Dispatches:         Quote    Richard Land, currently under investigation by his employer, the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, told the group, "We must all be willing to stand up and tell the government 'no.' Secularists don't like people of faith because the ultimate authority for us is not the state. The ultimate authority is God."    Aha! That explains everything, doesn't it? If all those state-worshipping liberals would just let the conservatives put God in charge, we wouldn't have all these problems with health insurance coverage for ladyparts and gay people getting married and whatnot.    Land, as you may recall, said some really racist, spiteful things on his radio show about the Trayvon Martin case. He apologized for those comments, but Baptist scholar and blogger Aaron Weaver called it a "non-apology apology" and questioned Land's assertion that "I have been committed to the cause of racial reconciliation my entire ministry."    Weaver also caught Land plagiarizing, specifically reading from published work of others and passing it off as his own on his radio show. For that, the ERLC is investigating him, but lo and behold, the head of the committee in charge of the investigation just stepped down to spend more time with his church. (The resigning trustee, in a you-can't-make-this-up-twist, is the Rev. Steve Faith.)  His replacement, the Rev. Richard Piles, tells the Tennessean's Bob Smietana that Faith's departure did not signal any dissension within the committee. Piles added, "I am a fan of Dr. Land. I am in his corner through this process and want to see him succeed and hope that he can continue in his ministry." So I guess there won't be any surprises when the investigating committee issues its report June 1. (underlines are additional links in original) Again with the "ultimate authority" nonsense. There is no "ultimate authority" with me. There is only an ecosystem of facts placed in context, tested hypotheses, theories, statistics, anecdotes, opinions, and my impressions and observations. "The state" is also not a monolithic thing, but a collaboration between people. I love how people like this always get all teary-eyed about "democracy" but hate its practical application, or compromise, or gray areas in life. Well said. -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 24 2012,01:04    despicable slimeballs “If a Christian dies early, if a Christian dies young, it seems tragic, but really it is not tragic because they are going to a wonderful place.. on the other hand, if a person doesn’t know Jesus Christ.. if they knowingly rejected Jesus Christ, then, basically, they are going to a terrible place.” Edited by The whole truth on July 23 2012,23:05 -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2013,23:49    http://www.christianpost.com/news.......o-91121 -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Arctodus23 Posts: 322 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,00:57    Inquisition, Nazi regime, ID, Sharia, RC Church sex abuse scandal. All of them are examples of Religious discrimination, oppression, and bigotry. -------------- "At our church’s funerals, we sing gospel songs (out loud) to God." -- FL "So the center of the earth being hotter than the surface is a "gross violation of the second law of thermodynamics??" -- Ted Holden

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2013,21:24    'Outing gordo-kairosfocus' Below are links to just a small portion of two-faced gordo's bigotry/prejudice, self-righteousness, and raging insanity: http://kairosfocus.blogspot.com/2013.......st.html http://kairosfocus.blogspot.com/2013.......er.html In them, gordo said: "In short, the nature of marriage and family are built into Creation, and are evident from our being made male and female..." And: "By unnatural, we mean something that works against what a thing would become were it to operate according to its principle of development." Obviously, gordo needs to read these, and much more: http://suite101.com/article....-a76785 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......ntersex And since gordo and many (or all?) other god pushers claim that the 'mind' and 'soul' are separate from the 'brain' or the 'body', maybe he would like to explain how gender or sexual orientation should be determined. Should it be based on body parts or mind/soul? I would also really like to see gordo explain how/why his allegedly omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, perfect, loving designer-creator-god-yhwh, who allegedly specially created/creates everyone 'equally' managed to fuck up his 'perfect creation' so that intersex, hermaphrodite, and 'gay/bi' people exist. After all, isn't yhwh responsible for every person's "principle of development"? christian god pushers claim that humans were/are "specially created in God's image", which makes me wonder 'which humans'? "God" (yhwh) is depicted by christians as a male but there are more human females than males, and what about the intersex, hermaphrodite, and gay/bi humans? Is "God" intersex, hermaphrodite, and/or gay/bi? Hey "God", go fuck yourself, and you too gordo. -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Arctodus23 Posts: 322 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: April 28 2013,12:53    Christians say terminally ill atheist will burn in hell. -------------- "At our church’s funerals, we sing gospel songs (out loud) to God." -- FL "So the center of the earth being hotter than the surface is a "gross violation of the second law of thermodynamics??" -- Ted Holden

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 28 2013,15:24    Quote In them, gordo said: "In short, the nature of marriage and family are built into Creation, and are evident from our being made male and female..." And: "By unnatural, we mean something that works against what a thing would become were it to operate according to its principle of development." Obviously, gordo needs to read these, and much more: http://suite101.com/article....-a76785 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......ntersex Mark S. Blumberg in "Freaks of Nature" devoted an entire chapter (65 pages) titled "Anything Goes", subtitle "When it Comes to Sex, Expect Ambiguity" to the subject of sexual ambiguity. Edited by Quack on April 28 2013,15:25 -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: April 28 2013,18:48    Quote (Quack @ April 28 2013,13:24) Quote In them, gordo said: "In short, the nature of marriage and family are built into Creation, and are evident from our being made male and female..." And: "By unnatural, we mean something that works against what a thing would become were it to operate according to its principle of development." Obviously, gordo needs to read these, and much more: http://suite101.com/article....-a76785 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......ntersex Mark S. Blumberg in "Freaks of Nature" devoted an entire chapter (65 pages) titled "Anything Goes", subtitle "When it Comes to Sex, Expect Ambiguity" to the subject of sexual ambiguity. And here is an informative article about intersexuality/ambiguity: http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS....ty.html I would really like to see gordo or the other IDiot-creationists explain why their so-called perfect god designed and created so much intersexuality/ambiguity (physical and/or mental) and especially to explain why gordo and his bible thumping 'ilk' should have the authority to determine and legislate an intersexual person's, or any person's, consenting sexual partners and/or spouses. -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 28 2013,22:46    Quote "In short, the nature of marriage and family are built into Creation, and are evident from our being made male and female..." If a species having 2 sexes implies a nuclear family raising the kids, most of the animal kingdom is doing Doin Creation Rong.

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: April 28 2013,23:19    Quote (stevestory @ April 28 2013,20:46) Quote "In short, the nature of marriage and family are built into Creation, and are evident from our being made male and female..." If a species having 2 sexes implies a nuclear family raising the kids, most of the animal kingdom is doing Doin Creation Rong. Yeah, and think of the unmarried, evil plants that have icky sex with themselves and produce ungodly offspring. Eeeeww! They must be possessed by demons! Where are the plant-demon exorcists when we need them?! -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 29 2013,02:14    Not to mention those crazy critters changing gender in the middle of life. -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

Henry J Posts: 5787 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 29 2013,15:19    Quote (Quack @ April 29 2013,01:14) Not to mention those crazy critters changing gender in the middle of life. Then don't mention them!

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 29 2013,15:45    Quote (Henry J @ April 29 2013,15:19) Quote (Quack @ April 29 2013,01:14) Not to mention those crazy critters changing gender in the middle of life. Then don't mention them! Won't do it again just mutter to myself when nobody can hear me. -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

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