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Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2007,10:39    Guess who's popped up at PT! His delusions of grandeur seem unchanged:   Quote I hope to see you all at the next ?ID trial?. At that trial all the facts will come out- I will make sure of it. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2007,10:53    Well, now that the 3 of us who ever read his blog don't go there anymore he must feel lonely.  It's tough being boring. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2007,11:03    I'm delighted the "HAR HAR THIS IS YOU" meme has caught on. Oh, HAR HAR THIS IS YOU -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Rob Posts: 154 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2007,11:47    There has also been a Joe sighting here, where he spouts the same old crap verbatim.  Can somebody please help Joe to come up with some new material? -------------- -- Rob, the fartist formerly known as 2ndclass

Rob Posts: 154 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2007,12:18    Joe argues for vitalism: Quote Also I should note that dead organisms have the SAME chemicals as their living counterparts. Yet they are still dead. That alone refutes Art2?s premise about chemistry and living organisms. And if you pummel a computer with a sledgehammer, the resulting pile of junk has the same materials as a working computer, and yet it doesn't work.  This is proof that computers have souls. -------------- -- Rob, the fartist formerly known as 2ndclass

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2007,12:25    The G stands for Genius.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,12:58    Maytag Joe is back at PT and he's feeling frisky! He's even linking to his own blog to back up his scientific 'explanations'. Gee, thanks a bunch, Joe. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,13:50    goddam but glen davidson has a sharp tongue.  i laughed til i nearly cried.  joe g is a colossal idiot.  too bad he is not unique. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,12:53    I've caught UD regular Joe G at my UD-inspired blogtrap.  He's a persistent little guy.  Does anybody want to come over  and help me whack him around for a bit? -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,13:54    Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 27 2007,12:53) I've caught UD regular Joe G at my UD-inspired blogtrap.  He's a persistent little guy.  Does anybody want to come over  and help me whack him around for a bit? Joe should work in a sideshow tent.  Truly a wonder of the modern world. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,14:16    Quote (blipey @ Aug. 27 2007,13:54) Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 27 2007,12:53) I've caught UD regular Joe G at my UD-inspired blogtrap.  He's a persistent little guy.  Does anybody want to come over  and help me whack him around for a bit? Joe should work in a sideshow tent.  Truly a wonder of the modern world. You bet.  What a maroon.  And thanks for the help blipey (and Smokey).   Joe G has provided me with a new line for my sig: "I will show you what you want when you show up at my door."   Tard. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Steverino Posts: 411 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,14:24    Hey Joe G...Come back and answer some questions....ya know, when you take a break from preparing for court. I'd like to know: Any proof that appearance of design, does in fact, prove a design or a designer?. Does Irreducible Complexity have a timelimit???  I was wondering because if you argue something is too complex to have evolved thru natural means...and in 5 years we understand more about how it could have evolved thru natual means...wouldn't that mean that your whole "IC" is just "BS"? Just asking. -------------- - Born right the first time. - Asking questions is NOT the same as providing answers. - It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys show up!

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,14:26    Ah, yes.  Joe has given me this response on not fewer than 3 topics: 1.  He claimed to have debated, and embarrassed numerous scientists in fields of their expertise.  I asked for the list and he said he'd give it to me when I showed up at his door. 2.  He claimed to have used the Explanatory Filter successfully.  I asked him for the equation and work.  He said he'd show me when I showed up at his door. 3.  He claimed to have a valid, curriculum based ID teaching plan.  He also claimed to have given this lesson at schools in New Hampshire.  I asked him for the lesson plan and a list of schools that he had done this at.  He said he'd show me when I showed up at his door. He's going to be really surprised when I show up at his door.  He should ask DaveScot for an escape plan with regard to clowns actually showing up in your hometown as promised. edited for pronoun trouble -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,14:41    Quote (blipey @ Aug. 27 2007,14:26) He's going to be really surprised when I show up at his door. ?He should ask DaveScot for an escape plan with regard to clowns actually showing up in your hometown as promised. Watch out for freon poisoning! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,14:44    Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 27 2007,14:41) Quote (blipey @ Aug. 27 2007,14:26) He's going to be really surprised when I show up at his door. ?He should ask DaveScot for an escape plan with regard to clowns actually showing up in your hometown as promised. Watch out for freon poisoning! Why?  It didn't seem to affect Joe that much.... -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,14:46    Quote (blipey @ Aug. 27 2007,14:44) Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 27 2007,14:41) Quote (blipey @ Aug. 27 2007,14:26) He's going to be really surprised when I show up at his door. ?He should ask DaveScot for an escape plan with regard to clowns actually showing up in your hometown as promised. Watch out for freon poisoning! Why?  It didn't seem to affect Joe that much.... I don't understand the allusion.  Freon? -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,15:08    Joe is the Maytag Man.  The Frigidaire Biologist.  The Astrophysicist of the Deep Freeze.  The Kitchen Muslim.... -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,15:16    Quote (blipey @ Aug. 27 2007,15:08) Joe is the Maytag Man.  The Frigidaire Biologist.  The Astrophysicist of the Deep Freeze.  The Kitchen Muslim.... Really?   He's a repairman?  Fantastic. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,15:24    Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 27 2007,15:16) Quote (blipey @ Aug. 27 2007,15:08) Joe is the Maytag Man. ?The Frigidaire Biologist. ?The Astrophysicist of the Deep Freeze. ?The Kitchen Muslim.... Really? ? He's a repairman? ?Fantastic. http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/ Quote About Me Name: Joe G Location: New England, United States I fix things- all kinds of things- mechanical, electrical, electronic and personal View my complete profile -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,15:24    Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 27 2007,15:16) Quote (blipey @ Aug. 27 2007,15:08) Joe is the Maytag Man. ?The Frigidaire Biologist. ?The Astrophysicist of the Deep Freeze. ?The Kitchen Muslim.... Really? ? He's a repairman? ?Fantastic. Well, sure, in a manner. He works for General Electric, which does makes consumer appliances.  They also make jet engines, railroad locomotives, medical imaging equipment, and desalination plants to name a few. Has Joe actually stated what he does service? -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

JAM Posts: 517 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,15:33    Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 27 2007,15:24) Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 27 2007,15:16) Quote (blipey @ Aug. 27 2007,15:08) Joe is the Maytag Man. ?The Frigidaire Biologist. ?The Astrophysicist of the Deep Freeze. ?The Kitchen Muslim.... Really? ? He's a repairman? ?Fantastic. Well, sure, in a manner. He works for General Electric, which does makes consumer appliances. ?They also make jet engines, railroad locomotives, medical imaging equipment, and desalination plants to name a few. Has Joe actually stated what he does service? I'm guessing the plumbing in the restrooms.

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,17:51    Apparently I've inspired Joe to  produce CSI for Dummies: Quote CSI stands for Complex Specified Information Complex meaning it is not simple. Complex meaning it is intricate. And complex because it contains many parts or facets. (Wm. Dembski takes that meaning and gives it a mathematical form. He does so, because like Galileo before him, he sees science as incomplete without the mathematics. You put something in mathematical form and then someone else can check it. But dummies can't understand this and that is why I created this post) Specified meaning something is indicated or defined, in detail. A good set of assembly instructions specifies what part goes where and as well as the order to put them together. Information meaning it is communicated data. IOW complex specified information is a term to differentiate between Shannon Information and information that has a specific meaning. Shannon information does not care about content or meaning, ie it does not care about specification. All the weight goes to the number of characters transmitted.. I can't keep track of how that definition differs from all the previous ones. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,18:11    It makes explicit the fact that what antievolutionists are talking about when they say "information" is "meaning". -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2007,22:19    Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 27 2007,14:16) Quote (blipey @ Aug. 27 2007,13:54) Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 27 2007,12:53) I've caught UD regular Joe G at my UD-inspired blogtrap.  He's a persistent little guy.  Does anybody want to come over  and help me whack him around for a bit? Joe should work in a sideshow tent.  Truly a wonder of the modern world. You bet.  What a maroon.  And thanks for the help blipey (and Smokey).   Joe G has provided me with a new line for my sig: "I will show you what you want when you show up at my door."   Tard. Sounds like a country song. -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2007,06:49    Quote (khan @ Aug. 27 2007,22:19) ? Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 27 2007,14:16) ? Quote (blipey @ Aug. 27 2007,13:54) ? ? Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 27 2007,12:53) I've caught UD regular Joe G at my UD-inspired blogtrap. ?He's a persistent little guy. ?Does anybody want to come over ?and help me whack him around for a bit? Joe should work in a sideshow tent. ?Truly a wonder of the modern world. You bet. ?What a maroon. ?And thanks for the help blipey (and Smokey). ? Joe G has provided me with a new line for my sig: "I will show you what you want when you show up at my door." ? Tard. Sounds like a country song. Iambic quadrameter tetrameter (first syllable dropped). Zachriel's Homework: http://phrontistery.info/numbers.html -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2007,07:30    Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 28 2007,06:49) Quote (khan @ Aug. 27 2007,22:19)   Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 27 2007,14:16)     Quote (blipey @ Aug. 27 2007,13:54) ?   Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 27 2007,12:53) I've caught UD regular Joe G at my UD-inspired blogtrap. ?He's a persistent little guy. ?Does anybody want to come over ?and help me whack him around for a bit? Joe should work in a sideshow tent. ?Truly a wonder of the modern world. You bet. ?What a maroon. ?And thanks for the help blipey (and Smokey). ? Joe G has provided me with a new line for my sig: "I will show you what you want when you show up at my door." ? Tard. Sounds like a country song. Iambic quadrameter (first syllable dropped). It's "tetrameter" (there's no such meter as quadrameter) but who's counting?   Versions of a chorus for the Joe G country ID anthem (refrain modified for meter). Quote You say I got no evidence and that my argument is poor I'll show you what you want soon as you show up at my door You say I got my finest thoughts at the creationism store? I'll show you what you want soon as you show up at my door. You want to know what scientists I have used to wipe the floor? I'll show you what you want soon as you show up at my door. You don't believe me when I say I've used the EF once and more? I'll show you what you want soon as you show up at my door. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2007,09:56    Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 28 2007,07:30) ? ? ? Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 28 2007,06:49) ? ? ? ? Quote (khan @ Aug. 27 2007,22:19) ? ? ? Sounds like a country song. Iambic quadrameter (first syllable dropped). It's "tetrameter" (there's no such meter as quadrameter) but who's counting? :D ? Oh, tomatoe paste. Unus, duo, tres, quattuor ... Ena, dio, tria, tessera ... -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2007,10:03    Quote CSI stands for Complex Specified Information Complex meaning it is not simple. Complex meaning it is intricate. And complex because it contains many parts or facets. (Wm. Dembski takes that meaning and gives it a mathematical form. He does so, because like Galileo before him, he sees science as incomplete without the mathematics. You put something in mathematical form and then someone else can check it. But dummies can't understand this and that is why I created this post) Specified meaning something is indicated or defined, in detail. A good set of assembly instructions specifies what part goes where and as well as the order to put them together. Information meaning it is communicated data. IOW complex specified information is a term to differentiate between Shannon Information and information that has a specific meaning. Shannon information does not care about content or meaning, ie it does not care about specification. All the weight goes to the number of characters transmitted.. maybe it's just me (nahh, probly not) but I don't see any information in there.  CSI or otherwise.  sounds like a speech given by Ernie Fletcher or GW Bush. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2007,11:09    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Aug. 28 2007,10:03) Quote You put something in mathematical form and then someone else can check it. Haven't there been threads on PT where somebody did in fact check Dembski's "mathematical form"? What were the results of that check, again?

Rob Posts: 154 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2007,11:14    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Aug. 27 2007,18:11) It makes explicit the fact that what antievolutionists are talking about when they say "information" is "meaning". That is indeed what IDists mean, even though none of Dembski's definitions support that interpretation.  It just goes to show that IDists don't read Dembski -- they just use his buzzwords and make up their own definitions. I've already corrected Joe on this, but he's impervious to correction.  Joe says:     Quote IOW complex specified information is a term to differentiate between Shannon Information and information that has a specific meaning. Dembski says the opposite on page 147 of NFL:     Quote To define CSI requires only the mereological and statistical aspects of information. No syntax or theory of meaning is required. ... In particular, the intelligent agent need not assign a meaning to the pattern. ... Neither CSI nor semantic information presupposes the other. This in my view is a tremendous asset of CSI, for it allows one to detect design without necessarily determining the function, purpose, or meaning of a thing that is designed (which is not to say that function, purpose, or meaning may not be useful in identifying a specification, but they are not mandated). And Joe still doesn't understand that "complexity" in CSI refers to improbability rather than actual complexity.  Says Joe:     Quote CSI stands for Complex Specified Information Complex meaning it is not simple. Complex meaning it is intricate. And complex because it contains many parts or facets. I've already pointed out to Joe repeatedly that many of Dembski's examples are, in fact, very simple, eg the Caputo sequence, a simple narrowband signal, and the monolith in 2001 A Space Odyssey.  And I've provided many quotes where Dembski explicitly equates specified complexity with specified improbability.  But like most IDists, Joe doesn't care about Dembski's actual meaning.  After all, it's not like anyone actually uses Dembski's methods. So Joe doesn't understand specification or complexity, which means that Joe doesn't understand anything about CSI. -------------- -- Rob, the fartist formerly known as 2ndclass

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