Erasmus, FCD
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| Quote (forastero @ Nov. 02 2011,21:12) | | Quote (rossum @ Nov. 02 2011,15:17) | | Quote (forastero @ Nov. 02 2011,13:13) | | According to Buddha, one shouldnt make haughty claims of whats the gods cant and cant do until one reaches a of very high plane of spiritual knowledge. Your passion for the teachings of materialists men over spiritual enlightenment prove that you havnt reached this plane |
And where did you find this gem in the Tripitaka? Buddhism generally tends to ignore gods. They aren't particularly relevant to following the path.
| Quote | | Yes spiritual because, Buddhism is about leaving the material and becoming one with the demonic goddess in tantric meditation, which leads to many a secret sadomasochisms and was indeed incorporated by the likes of Hitler |
Bwahahaha! You lose - Poe's Law. Your knowledge of Buddhism in general, and of Tantric Buddhism in particular, is obviously insufficient.
| Quote | | The Brahmajala Sutta seems to indicate creationism but maybe you can give us your take on the following... |
Certainly. A being dies from a very high plane and is the first to be reborn in a newly formed lower plane: "Then a certain being, due to the exhaustion of his life-span or the exhaustion of his merit, passes away from the ?bhassara plane and re-arises in the empty palace of Brahm?."
Being on his own, since he was the first to be reborn in the empty palace in the lower plane, he wishes for companions: "Then, as a result of dwelling there all alone for so long a time, there arises in him dissatisfaction and agitation, (and he yearns): 'Oh, that other beings might come to this place!' Just at that moment, due to the exhaustion of their life-span or the exhaustion of their merit, certain other beings pass away from the ?bhassara plane and re-arise in the palace of Brahm?, in companionship with him."
Since he wished for companions, and they duly appeared, he suffers from the delusion that he caused them to appear, when in fact it was the exhaustion of their previous karma. However, he continues with his delusion and claims great powers for himself, on the basis of his mistaken understanding: "Thereupon the being who re-arose there first thinks to himself: 'I am Brahm?, the Great Brahm?, the Vanquisher, the Unvanquished, the Universal Seer, the Wielder of Power, the Lord, the Maker and Creator, the Supreme Being, the Ordainer, the Almighty, the Father of all that are and are to be. And these beings have been created by me. What is the reason? Because first I made the wish: "Oh, that other beings might come to this place!" And after I made this resolution, now these beings have come.'"
The being claiming to be Brahm? is mistaken. This is nothing to do with creationism, but about the mistaken claims of a powerful god to be, "the Lord, the Maker and Creator, the Supreme Being, the Ordainer, the Almighty, the Father of all that are and are to be." You, or your source, has misunderstood the meaning of this passage. The Brahmajala sutta points out a number of errors found among non-Buddhists. This passage is from the section about the error of believing in an eternal creator-god who made the world. Contemporary Buddhists often use it to argue against followers of the Abrahamic religions.
As I said before, your knowledge of Buddhism is insufficient. All you have done here is to shoot yourself in the foot. The god claiming to be the creator is making a mistaken claim, based on his own error.
You would do well to restrict yourself to arguing about topics where you have some knowledge. Buddhism is not one of them.
rossum |
Hmm so your saying the story represents one spirit being impersonating a creator and another spirit being dismissing his claims? Sounds like a demon is involved and like the Hinduism that Buddhism sprang from, Buddhist venerate and worship demons. This is why Buddhism is so violent in its essence with many war gods worshiped by violent Bodhisattva, Bushido, S?hei, and Kamikaze warriors. War gods with a long history human sacrifice and Kapala skull caps. Could be why the Buddhist nations have the highest rate and number of abortions and infanticide. Of coarse in China, atheism exponentiates the practices. Pedophilia is also rampant among the Buddhist monks.The Buddhist also often follow a racist Hindu-like caste system.
Tantric rituals involve transforming one’s soul by invoking goddess possession
Virtually all Tibetan Buddhist meditators seek to become enlightened through the use of Tantric rituals to reach spiritual goals (or Sadhanas) incuding knowledge, giving thanks, salvation, transformation, entering Buddha-fields or abode of the deities, good karma, rebirth, nirvana, and ultimately one with a goddess. Utmost secrecy is the cornerstone of tantric rituals. Tantric rituals include consumption of meat and alcohol, breath control, playing musical instruments and most importantly deity yoga, which involves mantras (repetitious chanting of prayers and spells with rosarys and prayer wheels until one becomes divine Buddah in body speech and mind), mandala trance (sandpainting of the celestial mansion or residence of the deities), visualizations of the deity, sexual intercourse with the deity, worship of the deity. The principal tantric deities are Shadakshari (four-armed incarnation of the Dalai Lama), Vajrayogin? ('the Wrathful Lady' or 'the Fierce Black One') and Tara. Avalokite?vara and Chakrasamvara are the male counterparts of these goddesses. These duel-sexed goddesses (Dakines) represent fully enlightened Buddahs and/or yidams (tutors, protectors, and consorts to Buddahood) that the tantic meditator must ultimately become one with what is referred to as the completion stage or Mother tantra. Often regarded as one in the same, these goddesses are the supreme deities (ishtadivas) of the Tantric pantheon. “No male Buddha, approaches them in metaphysical or practical import” Tara is the Indo-European earth and fertility goddess with aliases throughout the world involving zodiac cosmology, temple mounds and ritual human sacrifice, frenzied pedophilia and mutilation . In fact, Tara, Ishtar, Astarte, Inanna, Ashtoreth, Aphrodite , Dea Syria, Astarte, Cybele, Aphrodite, Kore, Mari, Artemis, Arduinna, Diana, Damara, Arianhrod, Artio, are interrelated (different pagan cultures developing name variants as traditions changed and the ages passed). Her male counterparts also include Baal-Thor-Zeus. Dakini Dakini
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Other goddess like Chakrasamsara/Vajrayogin? 'the Wrathful Lady' are Just like the Hindu kali ChakraSamvara/Vajrayogin? with a vajra in her right hand and a kapala (skull cup) in her left hand which is filled with blood that she partakes of with her upturned mouth. Her head is adorned with a crown of five human skulls and she wears a necklace of fifty human skulls. She is depicted as standing in the center of a blazing fire of exalted wisdom. the curved drigug knife in her right hand shows her power to cut the continuum of the delusions and obstacles of her followers and of all living beings. Drinking the nectar of blood from the kapala in her left hand symbolizes her experience of the clear light of bliss.[15] the severed-headed form of Vajrayogin? is similar to the Indian goddess Chinnamasta who is recognized by both Hindus and Buddhists.[17] |
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