Jim_Wynne
Posts: 1208 Joined: June 2006
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Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 27 2015,17:35) | Quote (paragwinn @ July 27 2015,05:33) | Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 26 2015,20:53) | Quote (Texas Teach @ July 26 2015,22:24) | Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 26 2015,21:43) | And this sentence is a thought forming: "When attract and avoid locations When working properly The combined When this happens It was found that to anxiously" |
By no definition is that a sentence. |
Now it is:
Quote | Where the signals from attract and avoid locations combine: the wanting to go both towards and away from the food results in it becoming nervously anxious, skittish, as are real animals with such a dilemma. |
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It would be helpful if you could cite some animal studies to back up your assertions about animal behavior. It is probably not that germane to the fundamental problems of your project. However, it would be good practice for you in the art of grounding your theoretical principles in real-world data which is freely or affordably available to any investigator. As has been pointed out, a complex computer program, no matter how intriguing its behavior, is no substitute for a well-thought out expository paper laying out what is "under-the-hood" not just programmatically but conceptually. You have to speak for your project. It cannot speak for you. |
I tried the applicale keywords in Google Scholar but (unless you know of something applicable) from what I can see I'm not going to find anything overly useful.
The best example of what I am talking about is from watching my wife feed that backyard critters. She does not sit there quietly she's talking to them about how the weather will be that day while arms are moving and around her the squirrels could end up bonked on the head by a big peanut butter & cracker sandwich coming in for a landing. I'm in a way lucky to have had plenty of nervously anxious animals to observe where both attract and avoid stimuli is present at the same time in their environment, a dilemma. It simply would not be normal for a critter at the perimeter of my wife's shock zone (where food falls from the sky or rolling along the ground at them) to not be nervously anxious. The way I see it's the models that do not inherently get jittery that are not all there in regards to normal animal behavior and have more explaining to do.
It's maybe possible for my wife to help conduct an experiment that as closely as possible turns the back yard into a giant hidden shock zone arena but have to use something other than electricity to shock them or the experiment is a no-go. I do have a peizo siren that can be placed in the center, that might not bother the neighbors where the sound is radiated sideways in all directions and not louder than it needs to be. A motor could turn a cue-card or just pole over their head to indicate angular time. Just need an easy way to detect when a critter is inside the zone, then where her phone gets a good enough of a video from up in a tree and squirrel's willing we're all set.
Something simpler might also be possible. But other than a live wild animal experiment of my own I don't know what else I could include for evidence. A number of papers are referenced in program comments and includes the paper for the rat arena and related neurobiology, but not that that exactly. I can maybe ask someone in neuroscience but in this case none are yet sure how to most simply model how our brain navigates itself around. How close it is to real animal behavior and its biology depends on behavioral details the real thing has and lab papers yet to be written that would allow knowing for sure whether I have it right or not. |
So you have an ungrounded assertion, regardless of what you have personally observed in your backyard.
-------------- Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT
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