Otangelo
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Joined: Oct. 2015
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| Quote (NoName @ Nov. 19 2015,13:22) | | Quote (Otangelo @ Nov. 19 2015,13:24) | | Quote (NoName @ Nov. 19 2015,12:20) | | Quote (Otangelo @ Nov. 19 2015,13:09) | | Quote (EmperorZelos @ Nov. 19 2015,11:20) | | Quote | | What would convince you that design explains best our existence ? |
Well how about a list?
1: You stop arguement from ignorance
2: You publish your findings in actual scientific peer reviewed journals that are reputable
3: You learn what words and things actually means so you can apply it properly
4: You stop putting the cart before the horse
A good start |
Hey, its not about ME.
Again : what evidence do you expect to encounter in nature to infer design as the best explanation ? |
Design is not a mechanism.
Manufacture is a mechanism.
Evidence of design is not evidence of manufacture.
Nor is manufacture evidence of design.
As repeatedly noted.
How are made things distinguished from 'natural' things in the real world?
Not by evidence of design. By evidence of manufacture.
There is no evidence of non-natural manufacture of anything. |
Design is the prerequisite. through a mental process you create, design, invent, imagine, project given artifact. And through power you materialize that project. My profession is machine designer, and i know EXACTLY how that works. |
Only if you are not omnipotent.
No omnipotent being need ever design, for no omnipotent being need take refractory materials or processes into account.
Further, you are not addressing my argument.
Design is no guarantee of manufacture.
Manufacture is no guarantee of design.
We have massive amounts of evidence that this is true and no evidence at all that it is not.
From wheels to software, things that are not designed are made and from DaVinci's helicopters to software things are designed that are never made.
Argument from design is a cheap fraud.
It is an even bigger fraud when it is actually argument to design.
There is a great deal of equivocation in design talk.
But regardless, design is not manufacture.
Design doesn't matter, for it tells us nothing much. Except, of course, that if design is there, then the designer must not be omnipotent. That's a strong sense of 'must'.
Design is not necessary for omnipotent beings, by definition. |
We have evidence from daily experience that we can design AND manufacture things.
We see all the time intelligence producing complex machines, and information based systems.
We have NEVER seen unguided, non conscientious, random , non-intelligent forces do the same.
The term omnipotent must be defined. God cannot create a square circle, or do any other illogical things......
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