Jerry Don Bauer
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Joined: Nov. 2012
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[quote=OgreMkV,Nov. 28 2012,15:23][/quote]
OK...LOL....This is a great example of all I'm getting from this this entire forum.....It's wrong...or you're an idiot...or ???? Would you care to tell WHAT is wrong with the polypeptide forming from a racemic solution analogy? Is the math wrong, do you not understand the chemical terms in it, do you disagree with....well, WHAT...I have no idea how to respond if you don't even make an attempt to overcome the argument presented to you. You guys so far would just be a lay-down in formal debate in a debate forum.....
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Expand our minds beyond what science knows to be correct? Wouldn't that be... well... wrong? |
It doesn't have to go beyond math and science at this particular junction and you haven't pointed out how science says anything I've said IS wrong. But there is much more to YOU than a mind that only science controls. There is mind and non-mind. I hope you will discover your spiritual nature (maybe you have). Of course, some never will and I feel sorry for their spouses and children that love them. What a battle their loved ones fight and what a sad life they have as individuals, in my experience.
| Quote | It's SELECTION. When you SELECT things you are eliminating some of the random effects.
For example, let's say a mutation causes a fetus to spontaneously abort after 12 weeks of development. What is the probability of that mutant allele becoming fixed in the population? The answer is zero. |
OK....and....what does this have to do with probability mathematics. Isn't there another fetus somewhere that may not abort and a detrimental mutation becomes fixed into the population? What is your point with this?
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I've used this analogy before and keep in mind that it is an analogy. This is a tool for teaching to someone who doesn't have the knowledge or background to actually discuss the details of the subject under consideration.
Imagine the World Series of Poker. Ten thousand people come to play poker. But when they arrive, it's announced that this is new version of poker and here's how it's played.
Everyone at the table is dealt one card. After the card is dealt a random generator tells what is the order of hands and cards at that table. For example, Jacks are high and 8s are low with the other cards scattered in between.
Now, the winner of that one card hand advances and every other HAND is eliminated. But the players get to stay. Each player who is eliminated gets to choose between two cards, without looking. One of the cards is the exact same card as the winning player's card. The other is a random card from the deck.
Now each of the players at the table has one card and about 50% will have the winning card. Now, another card is dealt. The random generator again makes up a order of hands and numbers. This time a pair of 3s is highest, next is the ace of spades, followed by a pair of kings, then any 2, etc.
The winner at each table is determined and every other player throws his hand out. This time, every other player selects from three cards. Two are the same as the winner's hand, the third is a random card from the deck. [This would be impossible to play in real life.]
Now, everyone has 2 cards. About 1/3 of the players at the table have the winning hand and 2/3s have one of the winning hand's cards and one random card.
Repeat until everyone has a 5 card hand. Then, everyone gets up and is randomly paired with another player. The random generator does its thing and every pair of players determines who won and who lost. The winner keeps playing, the loser goes home. Repeat starting with a new one card hand.
That's not a perfect analogy to evolution, but it's closer than anything you've said. However, the mathematics should be easy enough to follow.
You see how reproduction plays a part and increases the tendency for winning hands in the entire community. You see how within a population (a table) the winning hand will begin to dominate, unless there is a lucky mutation and a change in the environment (what's a winning hand) that emphasizes it.
For example, by the five card stage every hand has two pair. One pair of red kings and a pair of red threes. Now, one of the players ended up with a mutation in his hand that gave him an additional three. It hasn't mattered because he still has two pair (kings and threes). But suddenly, the environment changes and the full house becomes higher on the winning hand list than the two pair has been. Now, everyone's hand will tend to resemble the full house... but maybe one player picks 3 threes and a king and a 5. He doesn't have a full house anymore, but maybe the environment will change to have 3 of kind more favorable than a full house or two pair. Or maybe he ended up with a flush.
That's kind of how it works.
If you don't calculate the probability USING THE FACTORS AT THE TIME, then you are wasting your time.
Trying to determine the odds of getting a full house when you only have two cards in your hand is impossible. It's not even calculable, the question is meaningless. Like wise, assuming you have a great big pile of amino acids, then trying to determine the odds of getting a flagellal motor is also meaningless. It's the wrong question. |
I couldn't disagree more that this has anything to do with natural selection or what I have discussed which is rather sad because it looks like you put a lot of work into it. :)
OF COURSE...the winning hands will eventually win the poker tournament?????
Are you trying to calculate the probabilities of someone winning? Perhaps you could list the points I'm missing....I'm trying here..lol
Is there some paramount point therein that I simply missed?
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