Jerry Don Bauer
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| Quote (Cubist @ Nov. 20 2012,09:15) | | Quote (Jerry Don Bauer @ Nov. 19 2012,12:55) |
And why do you have trouble defining CSI? It is a well defined concept of modern ID thought.... is it information that calculates out above the upper probability bound? Is it specified information? Then, if it is both complex and specified it is therefore CSI... |
Since you seem to think CSI is, in fact, a well-defined concept, Jerry, I have a question for you. But before I ask my question, I have to explain a bit of background.
Now, I don't pretend to be fully au courant with all the niceties of this CSI thingie, but if my limited understanding is correct,
- Random garbage doesn't have any CSI
- Meaningful language does have CSI
- Converting a statement from one format to another (as, for instance, using an encryption algorithm to make a meaningful statement difficult to read) does not alter the statement's CSI.
So if this CSI thingie genuinely is the sure-fire Design-detection tool which you ID-pushers assert it to be, it seems to me that you should be able to use it to distinguish random garbage from meaningful text that only appears to be random garbage.
Background explained. Here's the question:
Which of the following character strings, String A or String B, is the encrypted text, and which is the garbage? And please show your work, so we know you're not just guessing.
Character string A:
| Code Sample | ={¡ ¿ ¬&={‹ +ZrKU hg"Ix œgFZ" uaM?j œ?Uhg
>”H¿œ jCZrK ,MjRœ Lu"gF ZœKZ¢ g[)Zh Z"KXM
gcR"K XMgaX -KcZY [ lœX œ??U? ?waR, XmŒwM
Zvœ>Z ngo”_ v”U’T XV Xv Zuyw… y ,.! ¡‡!…& |
String B:
| Code Sample | jk?2J ^'VE¡ ?hS-c Z “(# ]'6"8 0‹cWd Yfv”
BlGæB “a”?" B2#“_ 9‹g¡y £B…?J @Se&y ¬œ4Sp
…'T4? #ƒq”- 6[¢Of 1#3?} œ-§”÷ UTe…T Fdg›“
O÷iŒ. H¬^¿- ¢?Jv= ±1Q^o ‘O];v :?QE( 5qŒ3L |
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Hey Cubist:
It's correct...random garbage is not CSI...CSI must communicate.....
Language is not REALLY germain to CSI either unless we are somehow relating language to matter/energy....
And yes, we can distinguish meaningful information from garbage by honing into it's specificity....No specificity....no CSI...
The rest of that post pretty much shows a lack of understanding of the CSI concept......But you admit that up front and it's OK as I'm used to it......This will hopefully become clearer as we progress.
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