forastero
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| Quote (OgreMkV @ Dec. 03 2011,16:06) | | Quote (forastero @ Dec. 03 2011,12:48) | So, is it your claim that all modern organisms are just epigenetic changes from the 'kinds' on the Noah's ark?
So, if the environment changes, say, from our modern world to living in a small boat for a year, then ANY organism I put in the condition of living in a small boat for a year will revert back to it's Noah flood form?
| Quote | So what is epigenetics? An epigenetic system should be heritable, self-perpetuating,
and reversible (Bonasio et al., p. 612) |
That's where you want to go with this? If not, then you need to try explaining yourself. One line answers are not explanations.
I kept six cats in an apartment for 7 years (including one round of kittens)... they still were very diverse.
One should never invite a dog named 'puddles' into one's living room.
Go, you can answer those two questions in less than 4 words. But you can't because you're scared. It's OK.
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Actually I mentioned multiple epigenetic phenomena over several pages so why the one little snippet?
A year on a nice big boat probably wouldnt have much effect but hoarding six cats and a litter in a apartment probably would trigger enough stress hormones to make lasting epigenetic effects[/quote]
Can you PLEASE focus. Geez, you're worse than actually herding cats (and I've actually done it).
We're not talking about all your previous stuff on epigenetics. We are looking at a SPECIFIC claim that you JUST made.
Your claim is that all[/] variation in [b]every population of organisms on the planet is based on epigenetics.
Since, by definition, epigenetics is reversible, then we must be able to go from any modern species back to the Noah's ark version.
This is simply a requirement of your claim... unless you would like to modify your claim at this time... please answer it.
Now, you have one huge, epic issue that you cannot explain with epigenetics.
The 673 HLA-A alleles in the human species. These are known to be non-epigenetic. These are different alleles, not different interpretations of alleles because of environmental factors.
You said you were happy with 2250BC as the date of Noah's flood.
You absolutely must explain how the entire human population added 1 new allele every 7 years (roughly). Begin.
BTW: What exploded? What do scientists say exploded? |
Hmm...your incessant attempt to pigeonhole my posts could be desperation.
I said Henry Morris wrote that the Flood could be around 2250BC to 7250BC
I said the that epigenetics does depend greatly upon ancestral phenotypes but its common sense that those phenotypes are sometimes lost due genetic damage over time. But to answer your question more precisely, yes many critters do revert to what seems to be a bauplan even after eons of vicariance. Oh and good geneticists will tell you that the more ancient the critter, the more ancestral alleles it has
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