OgreMkV
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| Quote (forastero @ Nov. 23 2011,03:21) | | Quote (OgreMkV @ Nov. 22 2011,20:44) | | Quote (forastero @ Nov. 22 2011,19:32) | | The Great Pyramid is the oldest, largest and most complex. pyramid in Giza Egypt. Egyptologists believe that the pyramid and Sphinx were built for fourth dynasty Egyptian Pharaoh Khufu (Cheops in Greek) over an approximately 20 year period concluding around 2560 BC. However, C14 dating of the pyramid and Sphinx has been discordant due to the necessity of dating charcoal that was used to process the pyramid’s gypsum mortar. This charcoal, it is believed, came from differently aged trees that could have sat in the desert for ages. Recycling of wood and other materials was a common practice in Egypt. Not only because of desertification and heavy consumption, but possibly because Pharaohs felt a need to make a conscious connection with their ancestors. Bonani G, Haas H, Hawass Z, Lehner M, Nakhla S, Nolan J, Wenke R, Wölfli W. “Radiocarbon Dates of Old and Middle Kingdom Monuments in Egypt,” Radiocarbon 43, No. 3 (2001), 1297-1320(24). |
So what?
In the paper you cite, they are looking at carbon dating of charcoal from various sites. They produce a range of possible dates.
The range is generally 200-400 years, which ought to be pretty good at 4000 years ago.
Out of all the calibrated date data, there are none that are more than 1000 years off the historical range date (at greater than 80% probability). And most of them are exactly within the historical range.
Also note the ones with the largest discrepancies have the label "younger sample" meaning that they KNOW the carbon date data will be inaccurate as to the age of the structure.
Anyway, how does this help you with either your massive historical inaccuracy OR your population issue.
Tell us when The Flood was. If, by my rough estimate, the timeline for the Flood was about 4,000 years ago, then you have cultures all over the world to deal with; China, Denmark, Greece, Egypt, Japan, etc. If it was 5000 years ago, then you have Viet Nam, China, Europe, Egypt, Sumer, and, of course, the germination of the oldest known tree in existence.
BTW: RE: Big Bang
What exploded? You said that explosions create disorder (we'll deal with your pathetic understanding of entropy and thermodynamics later). What exploded?
RE: The Flood
What is a layer of flood deposits? You said the entire Carboniferous is the deposit from The Flood. Do you still stand by this? (yes or no)
Was the Tarim Basin canyon formed in The Flood?
Was the Green River formation formed in The Flood?
Were ALL sedimentary formations formed in The Flood? If this is the case, then where (and what) are the pre-Flood strata (thanks JonF)? |
Yet you wont dare question why very few mummies are carbon dated are DNA tested or where all the desert trees to make all that mortar and metallurgy, came from? Tree identification from charcoal has been done for a while now, yet nothing yet on Giza that I know of. Plus the Sahara desert was supposedly lush 5000 years ago. Maybe a lot of the wood needed to process all that mortar came from that desertification and who knows how long it sat there before it was picked up?
On the other hand, I showed you that a 2560 BC date for the great pyramid poses no problem for the timing of the Flood, so what is your point?
Btw, I already explained to you that your own Big Bang links believed it was an explosion, one of which indicated a nuclear one |
So, a worldwide flood occurred in 2560BC?
Let's see: (from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki....600_BC)
| Quote | c. 2570 BC: Khafra started to rule in Ancient Egypt.
c. 2566 BC: Pharaoh Khufu dies (other date is 2578 BC).
c. 2558 BC: Pharaoh Khafra starts to rule (other date is 2570 BC).
c. 2550 BC: Estimated date of completion of the Great Pyramid of Giza.
c. 2550 BC: Egyptian rulers contact Western Desert oases, such as Dakhla Oasis.
c. 2550 BC: About this time, Mesannepada is king of Ur (followed by his son, A-annepadda) who founds the First dynasty of Ur and overthrows the last king of Uruk, as well as Mesalim of Kish. [Roux 1980]
c. 2550 BC – 2400 BC: Great Lyre with bull's head, from the tomb of King Meskalamdug, Ur (modern Muqaiyir, Iraq, is made. It is now kept at University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, Philadelphia.
c. 2544 BC: Khafra died.
c. 2533 BC: Menkaura started to rule in Ancient Egypt.
c. 2532 BC: Pharaoh Khafra dies (other date is 2544 BC).
c. 2532 BC: Pharaoh Menkaura starts to rule (other date is 2533 BC).
c. 2515 BC: Menkaura died.
c. 2510 BC – 2460 BC: Ti watching a hippopotamus hunt, tomb of Ti, Saqqara, Fifth dynasty of Egypt, is made. Discovered by French archeologist Auguste Mariette in 1865.
c. 2503 BC: Pharaoh Menkaura dies (other date is 2515 BC).
c. 2500 BC: The legendary line of Sanhuangwudi rulers of China is founded by Huang Di.
c. 2500 BC: the construction of the stone circle at Stonehenge begins and continues for the next five hundred years. |
Pharaoh Khafra appears to have survived the flood.
You might want to take a crack at explaining how the 20,000 to 30,000 people it took to build a pyramid over a few decades could have done so during and immediately after a Global Flood that destroyed all but 8 people on the planet.
Don't forget the Longshan culture in China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longshan_culture) that survived the Flood.
And the Middle to Late Jomon period in Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C5%8Dmon_period#Early_to_Final_J.C5.8Dmon_.284000_.E2.80.93_300_BC.29)
How is it that these guys were not destroyed by the flood?
Seriously, even if you use the extreme ends of the date ranges given in the article you quoted. No date is off by even 1000 years. The cultures I mentioned were in existence both before and after the Flood, even assuming a possible range of 1000 years in each direction.
Again, speaking without thinking. It's a bad habit.
Let's go back to the Big Bang. Once again I will ask you, (because you obviously aren't getting it)... How in the fuck can you have a nuclear explosion WHEN THERE ARE NO ATOMS IN EXISTENCE?!?!?!?!?!?
I mean really, is this your level of 'research', taking peoples quotes and saying that they are fact? Has it ever occurred to you that the website you are getting all this from is lying? Has it ever occurred to you to actually study the subjects that you are blathering on about?
To you this is true
quote = 1000s of articles of peer-reviewed research
Actually this appears to be true too
quote > 1000s of articles of peer-reviewed research
quote > evidence
evidence < what forastero says
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