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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2011,12:25   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Nov. 05 2011,08:54)
Quote (forastero @ Nov. 05 2011,00:59)
Oh Ogre, I almost forgot. Your cat and dog examples are a poor representation of brown bear to polar bear and dichotomies because the white fur of polar bears is more than likely an epigenetic regulation of melanin and hollowing.

The Panda is a whole different beast and I dont believe that its chromosomes fused with a grizzly bear but its sesmoid thumb morphology is more than likely epigenetic as it is in so many other beast

And thanks. Its great that you step up to the plate

Why?  My examples are what happens.  I'll need peer-reviewed evidence that polar bears and brown bears are actually the same species and that if you put a brown bear in the arctic it will become a polar bear.  I'll need evidence that an epigenetic change will last for 100,000 years (the time of the earliest recorded polar bear).

Please quote where I said a panda fused with a grizzly.  What I said, is that the panda maintains the entire range of traits that identify it as belonging to order carnivora.  In that way, a panda is more like a brown bear than a horse.

Please quote the evidence from a peer-reviewed study that the panda's thumb is epigenetic.

It's a damn shame that you won't step up to the plate.  You keep making claims with absolutely no supporting evidence.

I'll repeat... even if much of the changes are epigenetic and environmental (which is not the case), then it  still does not mean creationism is right and evolution is wrong.

Care to deal with the Flood geology? Or do you want to provide any evidence that I'm asking for?

Some brown bears and polar bears are more closley related to each other than are some polar to polar bears and brown bears are to brown bears.

Just google sesmoid and epigenetic and mechanical loading

The relationship of epigenetics to mechanobiology can be seen, for example, in the development of sesamoid bones, which Sarin and colleagues expressed as “mediated epigenetically by local mechanical forces.”2  Sarin VK, Erikson GM, Giori NJ, Bergman AG, Carter DR. Coincident development of sesamoid bones and clues to their evolution, The Anatomical Record, 1999; 257(5): 174-180.

There are all kinds of stimuli that could keep the melanin switch turned off

  
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