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Elizabeth Liddle
February 6, 2012 at 8:33 am
Since the talking point is that to point to the inherent amorality and moral absurdity of evolutionary materialism is to target atheists as always immoral and to blame such for all the worlds ills
No, this is your talking point. Nobody is making this connection except you.
What some of us are trying to point out is that your accusation that people you call “evolutionary materialists” promote an amoral and “morally absurd” worldview is false.
But you insist on reading that as saying that you are accusing atheists of being immoral. We know you are not saying that.
It’s what you are saying that we are disputing.
We do not think our “worldview” is either amoral or morally absurd. In fact, some of us think that many Christian “worldviews” are, viz the moral absurdity of William Lane Craig claiming that an act that would normally be a wrong, e.g. genocide, is not wrong if it is commanded by God.
Moral absurdities don’t come much more morally absurd than that.
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Okay, that does it. For quite awhile I've wondered what motivates you (Elizabeth Liddle) to even bother trying to discuss/debate anything with gordon mullings (kairosfocus), and I've also wondered if you have paid any attention to what he has been saying at UD, his blog, and elsewhere on the internet, for years, and whether you have standards that you're actually willing to firmly stand up for.
How you could possibly say this is beyond me:
"But you insist on reading that as saying that you are accusing atheists of being immoral. We know you are not saying that."
What?? "We" know no such thing. gordon e mullings absolutely, positively, without ANY doubt whatsoever DOES say that all atheists are immoral, amoral, evil, dangerous, destructive, sinful, abusive, dishonest, power hungry, dictatorial, murderous, tyrannical, genocidal, and a long list of other horrible things, and has been saying that for ages! His ENTIRE agenda is against atheists, or what HE perceives as atheists. And he DOES say that atheism IS a worldview and is responsible for all the world's ills.
If anyone doesn't worship exactly the same dogma he does, in exactly the same way he does, and worship gordo as though HE is a god, and kiss his sanctimonious, LYING, dictatorial ass, then they are an evil, amoral, immoral atheist or the equivalent thereof. ANYTHING less than total, obedient, unquestioning, eager worship of him and his imaginary god is atheism, and is evil, to gordo. All of his word games with terms like evolutionary materialists, methodological naturalists, evolutionists, "Darwinists", etc., are just his LYING, deceptive way of bashing atheists. He uses the word 'atheists' or 'atheism' less on UD than he has elsewhere because he's deceptively trying to mask his real agenda. He also deceptively alters his other words on UD to make it look as though his agenda, and ID, are based on science.
The ONLY thing that drives gordo is his massively narcissistic god complex and his obsessive hatred of anyone who doesn't worship him, and he sees all such people as atheists who should be disposed of.
When it comes right down to it, gordo's imaginary god is just an excuse for him to believe that HE is THE one and only god and to act accordingly. 'Accordingly' meaning that he believes he has the absolute right to dictate and demand whatever HE wants. By claiming that he gets the rules and authority from some imaginary god, gordo is just trying to divert attention from the fact that the rules and authority are actually what HE wants to force on everyone on Earth, except himself of course. Like the imaginary god he touts, gordo obviously believes that HE is exempt from any rules, and from anyone else's authority.
As someone who studies the brain, and mental illnesses, I'm surprised that you deal with gordo in the way you do. At times you stand up to him (sort of) but at other times you either tolerate his shit or downright cave in to him and his maniacal bullshit. You don't seem to understand much about men, and especially men who believe that they are a god, or are authorized agents of a god. To self-appointed gods (like gordo) you are just a weak, evil play toy, and an easy target for their chauvinistic, malignant narcissism. I see your weaknesses so I'm sure that they do. They are predators and, like lions, they are just waiting for their prey to show the slightest limp. When they see that limp they pounce, but unlike lions they do it because of their massive arrogance and desire to control everyone and everything.
Recently you said this to gordo:
"kf, first of all please don’t feel you have to apologise for anything :)"
When I saw that I was stunned, and I wrote up a comment about it and was going to post it either here and/or on my site, but I decided to let it sit for awhile. After seeing what you said in your comment above, I just had to say something. Ya see, I stand up against tyrannical monsters like gordon mullings and I make no apologies for it. I'm not afraid to take a firm stance on important matters, and it's an important matter to keep lunatics like gordo and the rest of the IDiots from destroying science and imposing their Dominionist agenda on the world. Trying to deal with narcissistic Dominionists (like gordon elliott mullings) with anything other than complete resistance, mockery, and exposure of their lies and insanity, is simply caving in to their arrogantly predatory and dictatorial behavior and agenda.
I strongly suggest that you read a lot more of what mullings has said on the internet over the years. Some of it is on my site. I also suggest that you make up your mind about what you stand for, and against, if anything.
And speaking of things that gordo has said, here's an example:
"We must therefore pause to say that we have a Dominical warning to those who would put up such misleading that can deceive the innocent and naive: ’twere better that a millstone be put around their necks and that they would then fall into the deepest sea."
Want to guess at which people he would like to do that to?
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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27
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