oldmanintheskydidntdoit
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| Quote (Kris @ Jan. 24 2011,04:35) |
I'm not sure I'd agree that the majority of ID supporters would claim that it's scientific, or fact, or falsifiable, or provable. Some would, and some would even claim it's settled. |
Then you disagree with most ID supporters as can easily be seen by simply going to UncommonDescent and browsing the posts and comments. This is not a complex claim, the evidence is there if you are willing to look.
| Quote | | Some of the guys or gals(?) on the internet (or elsewhere) who push ID and creation in a religious way and want to cram their religious beliefs into schools and everything else are the 'militant' ones, in the sense that they can't stand the thought that anyone else could possibly disagree with them. |
Disagreeing with people is one thing, but it's not about that. They claim to have evidence that life was designed. The disagreement is about that evidence, not the claim itself.
| Quote | You know, kind of like some people on religion bashing websites. :)
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I don't give a fuck about your nor anybody else's religion. On the other hand if you make the claim that there is evidence for ID then that's when I'll give a fuck.
Clear?
| Quote | | Until pretty recently I wasn't aware of the combatants in this 'war' and I didn't think about it much. I was too busy finding and studying fossils, butterflies, birds, and a lot of other things |
Fascinating I'm sure.
| Quote | | I'm more familiar with the war and the combatants now, although I'm sure there are some things and people that I'm not aware of. |
It's not a war when one side refuses to fight. ID refuses to fight, they want to win the "war" without going through the normal process of proving their case via evidence.
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Some of the claims or arguments from ID-ists or creationists are thought provoking but I do realize that none of them have proof. |
So why don't you go an argue with Gordon Mullings who claims to have such proof.
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Some of their claims are crazy. |
Name 1 non-crazy claim.
| Quote | | Still, some of their arguments against science are valid. |
Name 1 such argument. Dare you.
| Quote | | In other words, I'm sure there are people who believe in ID and/or creation who don't want to force their beliefs onto anyone or everyone else. |
So what?
| Quote | | It seems to me that if science were strong enough and popular enough, religious zealots wouldn't be much of a problem. |
They are their own worst enemy's. Just another generation or two and their ranks will be a fraction of what they are now.
| Quote | | I think that pushy religious zealots should be fought in court or in the media or politics, in the most effective way possible, but I also think that science should and could do a lot more to make itself trustworthy, accessible, interesting, understandable, honest, and popular. |
Then I guess you support decent eduction which by definition means that ideas like ID are not taught in schools as there is absolutely no evidence for them.
Do you?
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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK
if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings
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