OgreMkV
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| Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 28 2013,14:22) | | Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 28 2013,14:17) | OK, so you don't agree with any biologist that selection occurs.
It's not a strawman because you don't believe it, Joe. A strawman is a misrepresentation of an opponents position.
Since your opponents Joe, consider selection to be a fundamental part of the theory, then you saying that it isn't is a strawman.
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LoL! Natural selection occurs- it is just a result- if you have differential reproduction due to heritable random (as in chance/ happenstance) variations, then you have natural selection.
I just said nothing gets selected. Darwin tried to fool people and it appears he has fooled you.
So, for the record, natural selection exists. It just doesn't do anything. Differential reproduction due to heritable random variations- what would expect that to do?
But yes, I know you guys rely on natural selection. That is your problem, not mine.
Perhaps some day you will have some evidence for it actually doing something. Until then you will have nothing. |
Thanks Joe, so you admit that you are misrepresenting OTHER PEOPLE'S VIEWS.
It doesn't matter what you think of their views. It doesn't matter what you think of the evidence.
If you say that Dawkins says that selection doesn't happen, then you are misrepresenting Dawkins. That is a strawman. Do you understand?
Now, here's the thing (and I think we're making actual progress here).
You appear to think that 'selection' requires an intelligence. I say that because of things you've said in the past. If this is not the case, then let me know.
That however, is not true. Selection can happen without an intelligence. Let me give you an example. A fast flowing river can move large stones. A slower river cannot move those large stones.
During the spring melt, a river can move large stones. After a dry summer, the river will be slower flowing and not be able to move larger stones and instead only move some sand.
That is selection. Yes, it is a result of the speed of the river flowing. However, that selection changes the appearance of the river. The speed of the river changes the appearance of the river. It is the same with evolution.
The act of an organism surviving and having more offspring or another offspring dying young is changing the appearance of the population. That is selection. The selection, by the environment, is changing the population.
Selection is both a result and the process. Just like evolution is a fact and a theory.
Finally, it is not guided by intelligence. That is why Dawkins and the others refer to it as 'unguided' and 'blind'. It does not mean that there is not selection.
You choose to see it only one way, because you think it helps your case. However you choose to see it, you are misrepresenting others' position and that is a strawman.
I can't do any more than this. I'm hoping your animosity towards me (for whatever reason that it exists) will not prevent you from thinking about this. We'll see...
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