Louis
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| Quote (carlsonjok @ Oct. 22 2008,20:11) | | Quote (Louis @ Oct. 22 2008,14:07) | | I wonder how tolerant and culturally relativist we'd be if this was a group of shaven headed, white, French youths supporting a Jean Marie LePenn campaign with step dancing of a more European origin and appropriately positive and innocuous slogans. |
Indeed, or perhaps, Jesus Camp. |
Absolutely.
What I seem to be having trouble getting across is that this sort of behaviour is "the enemy" (if we have to think of it in those terms). We're all prone to it. It can happen to anyone, to any group. If we are going to be the guards then we should damn well admit that we are not beyond needing a good guarding ourselves. I think it's important that we all guard each other. (Incidentally, this is why Heddle's tu quoque shitola annoys the arse off me, it's utterly unnecessary, we already KNOW this nonsense exists. Heddle's favourite fallacy of the moment is a distraction from the issues, and little more than petulant whining)
I've always maintained that if people insist on seeing things in terms of "them and us" (something I use as a linguistic convenience and nothing more) then if "we" excoriate "them" for "their" crimes then "we" should be at least as hard on "ourselves" when "we" commit similar crimes. Affiliation is no excuse. Don't close ranks, expose flaws and correct them.
Louis
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Bye.
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