Arden Chatfield
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| Quote (Louis @ Oct. 16 2008,10:16) | | Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 16 2008,16:01) | | Quote (Louis @ Oct. 16 2008,06:00) | | Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Oct. 16 2008,13:28) | | Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 15 2008,12:19) | The Intrade contracts right now are
Obama: 82
McCain: 18.6
If I had lots of disposable cash I would buy McCain contracts right now. He's almost certainly going to lose, but the media is thoroughly bored of the race and will surely seize on something in the next three weeks to pretend it's competitive and exciting, and McCain's numbers will rise a bit. |
I still think that Obama will lose. I hope I am wrong. |
I'm afraid you might be right, I have several friends who are betting heavily on Obama losing.
I'm not sure which way it'll go, my opinion depends on what I've just read on the matter!
Louis |
I know several black people who are convinced that 'they won't let Obama win'. Who am I to say they're wrong?
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Dammit now look what you made me do. I'm going to agree with Heddle. I hope you're proud of yourself.
{shakes fist, scowls}
I think, despite the demonstrable and despicable actions of previous elections, that as you have said this is not going to be an easy steal. If "steal" it ever is. I seriously doubt these conspiracy theories and wouldn't give them any sane credence. Argue with your black chums! I think, on my pessimistic days, that the Bradley effect will do it's work without intervention.
Now what Steve said about Obama being elected and then assassinated I can see happening. I really can see some lone racist gun nut blowing a black president away. I don't think it requires any conspiracy drivel at all.
The level of racist rhetoric being splashed about by the conservative side of the equation is unbelievable (to us elitist Yurpeens). And this is from main stream sources and "people on the street" televised interviews etc. In the UK and Europe that kind of expression is simply not mainstream at all. It would most likely simply not make it to broadcast at all as it reflects only the nuttier fringe of society. Racists over here have to be very subtle, and even then they get a good kicking. And before some fruitcake says different, even muslim/brown racists get their comeuppance. The government rushed through "anti-terror" legislation to stop the combined hysteria of the Home Counties when they were confronted with someone who was a little be freer with his advocacy of death to the imperialist oppressors! The less said about THAT the better. Bloody government. Grrrr.
It's one of those strange cultural things race relations in the USA. The USA is a country I admire as being so far ahead of we others in many positive senses, but in some ways you chaps are back in the frigging Dark Ages. (So I don't universally love everything about the USA, sue me! The apparent racial division in your society seems vastly more profound that it does here. And yes, I realise that's a subjective impression, and yes, I realise that we have our problems too (oh boy do we).
Louis |
| Quote | | The USA is a country I admire as being so far ahead of we others in many positive senses, but in some ways you chaps are back in the frigging Dark Ages. (So I don't universally love everything about the USA, sue me! |
Go back to Russia, hippie.
Anyway, my dear Welsh/Turkish Louis, my point merely is, I can't with a straight face or clear conscience tell any black person, after all that's happened in this country in the last century or two, "Hey, trust the system! America's a fair country!" That's ridiculously presumptious. But I guess if you're on the right side of certain racial/religious/class/political divides, America *is* a totally fair country.
Besides, the system *isn't* secure. Corrupt shit *does* happen. A lot of stuff in the '04 election didn't pass the smell test, and '00 was far worse. I have no idea if Scalia et al will have the *chance* to step in for the GOP, but I have no doubt they would do so if they could, and it wouldn't be for Obama. And there's little things, too, like the fact that the Republican Secretary of State of Colorado has apparently silently purged sth like 150,000 names (correct me if that number's wrong) from Colorado's voter rolls, with no way to get them back and without notification of the purged people. Presumably they'll just show up that Tuesday to be told their name 'isn't on the list'.
Again, I think if the margin is wide, it can't be stolen. If the margin is as narrow as it was in the last 2 elections, it's naive in the extreme to call such notions "conspiracy theories".
| Quote | DUBLIN (Reuters) - Ireland's biggest bookmaker Paddy Power said Thursday it would pay out early more than 1 million euros (782,776 pounds) on bets that Barack Obama will be the next U.S. president, three weeks ahead of the election.
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Well, the explanation for this is clear to ME -- the Irish now control America's elections. Paddy bastids.
...or maybe they just think his name is Barry O'Bama.
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