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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 03 2008,20:37   

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Jumping Jeezus on a pogostick:

   
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Rich Lowry:
I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, "Hey, I think she just winked at me." And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can't be learned; it's either something you have or you don't, and man, she's got it.


I'm sure you weren't the only one, but I should hope the others would have the sense not to admit it.

If Obama had picked a Sarah Palin, you guys would be salivating all over yourselves while singing her praises.

Although there is that elitist group of individuals here who would still poo poo her for being too "folksy".   :angry:

No one's poopooing Palin for BEING folksy (more power to her on that front in fact), people are poopooing the transparent use of her apparent folksiness as an electioneering tool. A tool that explicitly distracts from the issues of substance and causes people to focus on issues of form.

Such behaviour is a tool of exploitation of the electorate NO MATTER WHO DOES IT. Do you want a list of example that the "liberal leftist wing dings" (or whatever convenient caricature you have in mind) use?

As usual FTK it's not a matter of which team Palin belongs to (at least for me, I don't have a dog in the hunt after all) it's a matter of the transparent tactics of exploitation.

Take for example the Labour party here in the UK (traditionally left wing, although recent years have seen them arguably drift to the centre right), a party that has engaged in EXACTLY this kind of tactic. The Conservative party here in the UK (traditionally right wing, although recent years have seen them arguably drift to the centre right also) does exactly the same thing also. It's part of the raft of tactics that effectively disenfranchise the electorate without having to do so 100% overtly.

I know you don't get this, despite it being repeated a lot, but it really, really, REALLY, REEEEEAAAAAAALLLLLLLYYYYYY is not about identity politics. I'm sure Sarah Palin is a lovely person, I'm chuffed to bits you have found a candidate that you resonate with so well. I simply don't care about any of it, nor do I care how nice a chap Obama or Biden is or isn't. It makes no difference to me whatsoever. What DOES matter is what stances these people espouse on the various issues of the day, why, how they've voted/acted etc.

I'm frustrated because there are very intellectual elitist people behind the scenes, writing speeches and preparing PR who are deliberately manipulating the "folksiness" of Palin (and the "blackness" of Obama no doubt, and the "war heroness" of McCain etc etc etc) deliberately so people like you and me will ignore the issues and be swayed by various prejudicial appeals. It works on everyone, we're all susceptible to it. The trick is to remember that you're susceptible and try not to be.

The chip on your shoulder about "elitists" here is ridiculous. I think if you read what people actually wrote once in a while, instead of projecting your own issues onto others, you'd find very few (if any) such people anywhere.

Louis

Louis, you're missing the point. Palin shoots out little starbursts every which way. That's why Republican men and FTK love her.

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"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

  
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