Louis
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| Quote (Ftk @ Aug. 30 2011,22:16) | | Quote | | You are trying to pretend that homosexuality leads to paedophilia AGAIN. |
Not sure what exactly you're alluding to in the first sentence. If you are suggesting that I am stating that the specific acceptance of homosexuality alone will lead people to move on to pedophilia because it's in some way linked, then that is absolutely not the case I'm making. There are many other sexually immoral acts that are not accepted that would strive for acceptance as well. I'm throwing pedophilia out as an example. Open the door, in other words....
| Quote | | False FTK. Sorry. If you don't believe this, then tour around Aegean sea of the times you mention and look at Sapphic worship, or the differences between Athenian and Spartan cultures. Or how homosexuality was treated in Persia. Your link, as usual misses the mark. It wasn't the simple fact of homosexuality (or its tolerance) that dictated the practises of that time and place, rather a series of (complex) cultural, tribal and historical precedents. |
Also find it interesting that you take into consideration "(complex) cultural, tribal and historical precedents" when discussing this issue, but when I state the same considerations when making my case that God is not immoral because of instances in ancient Israel where He commanded battle between tribes, you toss them off as not particularly relevant. |
1) Oh dear sainted trousers of Bunsen the Blessed. FTK you contradict yourself in one paragraph!
This:
| Quote | | If you are suggesting that I am stating that the specific acceptance of homosexuality alone will lead people to move on to pedophilia because it's in some way linked, then that is absolutely not the case I'm making. |
Is contradicted by this:
| Quote | | I'm throwing pedophilia out as an example. Open the door, in other words.... |
You are absolutely saying that IF we "open the door" to homosexuality (a sexually immoral act by your claim, as yet unproven, question evaded AGAIN), THEN this would lead to "opening the door" to "other sexually immoral acts" like paedophilia. This is not only untrue, it's logically fallacious (slippery slopes and all). But I digress.
This is an explicit claim by you that the acceptance of homosexuality leads to an acceptance of paedophilia. AGAIN.
You're also confusing both claims "acceptance of X leads to Y" and "X leads to Y". You're making two shitty arguments and switching between them as necessary.
As for snipping a line of mine out of context FTK, nice try, no dice. Read back, look at (for example) the post before it where I said:
| Quote | | Equating homosexuality with paedophilia, or putting homosexuality on some slippery sexual slope to "other sexual practises" like paedophilia, this is an absolute expression of hatred/homophobia. You are running together the consensual acts of adult homosexuals with the sexual exploitation/abuse of non-consenting (by definition), pre-pubescent minors. |
Not sure what I'm alluding to? Are you actually serious? How can I be more explicit with you short of tattooing this to your face or perhaps flying a plane with a banner around your house.
2) Don't accuse ME of what OTHER people are doing. I haven't made any claim regarding the morality of your fictional deity. Nor have I claimed anything like culture being irrelevant to the conglomeration of illiterate Bronze Age sheepherder scribblings you venerate.
Au contraire, I happen to think the culture of the age is incredibly relevant, and interestingly one of the main reasons why your tawdry tome is so utterly IRRELEVANT today as anything resembling a major source of moral/ethical enlightenment. It is precisely a product of its times, FTK. THAT is the problem. Times, ethics, and morals have changed precisely because they are fluid and not fixed as you are attempting to claim.
Does it hurt when you metaphorically punch yourself in the face this much? Seriously, with enemies like you I have no need of friends.
Louis
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