Badger3k
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| Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 23 2011,15:24) | | Quote (Dale_Husband @ Jan. 23 2011,14:31) | | Quote (MadPanda @ FCD,Jan. 21 2011,18:48) | | Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 21 2011,16:01) | | I can't go tell PZ, Rich, he banned my ass years ago. He doesn't allow dissent. |
The first sentence is true. The second sentence is so obviously false that anyone with a working conscience must blush to see the accusation made: the troll was invited to leave for being trollish, not merely for dissenting. (Hint: there are practicing Xians who have earned the OM designation, some of whom have been known to tell Dr. Myers that he's full of it. Funny how they haven't been hit with the banhammer yet.)
So, FTK, since you seem to think that abortion is a bad thing, what mandatory minimum sentence would you embrace for women seeking to terminate problematic pregnancies?
You, Biggy, what's the difference?
The MadPanda, FCD |
It seems that the issue for anti-abortion fanatics is that they see premarital sex as a sin and thus things like pregnancy and STDs for unmarried girls and women are a punishment for those who sin.
That, in my opinion, degrades the value of children as much as abortion does. |
No, I would disagree that anti-abortion "fanatics" are *against abortion* because they know that premarital sex is a sin. Nor, do I look at STD's as punishment. Also, I might add that I, myself, was not a virgin when I married and looking back, I can see the value of being abstinent until marriage. Although, I'd agree that this is a very difficult thing to do, but not impossible.
Abortion should not be considered birth control, and that is how I see people using it (1). There are plenty of options out there for birth control. I don't have any opinion about whether abortion should be legalized or not. Every woman has to make this choice, I would just hope that they make it wisely. Personally, I don't think the government should be involved in the issue at all.
There is a reason why God advises one man/one woman (2). He is the creator....he knows how we were created to live so that we can live life to the fullest. Promiscuity leads to endless problems as well as disease. It's not how we were created to live. It also tends to make marriage to one person more difficult if people have become accustomed to sleeping with whomever makes us feel good at present. God didn't make rules to make us miserable, but to help us live healthier life styles. There are endless stories in the Bible that show what happens when biblical figures had multiple wives or cheated on their spouses. Good never came of it. So, it's not God looking down at us and not permitting us to enjoy life by being promiscuous or punishing us for doing so, but rather he is providing us with the forumla for happy healthy relationships. |
Bolding mine.
(1) This is the problem. You think this is how people are using it, but in 43 years of life, I've never met, seen, or heard of anyone who actually sees it like this, short of anti-choice fanatics. It's a talking point, a way of reducing the person making the choice to someone you can spit on and feel superior to. It completely ignores reality, even though you seem to realize it on one level. I do find it odd that you have no opinion whether it should be legalized or not, yet you say that every woman has to make that choice and that the government should not be involved. Sounds pro-choice to me.
(2) Except for all that Old Testament polygamy thing. And the forced "marriages" of captured virgins to the people who killed their families. Marriage to rapists. Yeah, God must have changed his mind, then. Like so much else in the Big Book of Multiple Excuses...
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"Just think if every species had a different genetic code We would have to eat other humans to survive.." : Joe G
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