JohnW
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| Quote (Steverino @ Dec. 05 2012,08:35) | | Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 05 2012,10:30) | | Quote (Steverino @ Dec. 05 2012,07:09) | Off topic question....Discussing the origins of the universe with a fundie. He is attempting to make the claim that because the universe is infinitely intricate, the "laws of the universe" are/have to be a product of a "lawgiver"...
Other than the obvious argument from incredulity, are not the laws of the universe (physics) a RESULT of the universe? |
It's just word games - we use the same word for "scientific" law and "legal" law.
He's hearing "I need to get this work done fast" and demanding you tell him how many miles per hour. |
Maybe I didn't state my question correctly. I think what he is attempting to say is, (1) these laws/rules were in play before the beginning of the universe and that they universe is a result of those laws/rules...(2) then, gawd created these laws/rules.
Poof!...proof of gawd. |
| Quote | | (1) these laws/rules were in play before the beginning of the universe and that they universe is a result of those laws/rules |
Ask him what his evidence is.
| Quote | | (2) then, gawd created these laws/rules. |
Ask him what his evidence is. Even if (1) were true, they could be fundamental properties. The Universe might have to be this way.
If he's got anything (other than Teh Bibble) beyond "we don't know" for either of these, he could be in line for a trip to Sweden.
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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers
There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"... Â The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG
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