VMartin
Posts: 525
Joined: Nov. 2006
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Nice to see you Alan.
Your post is only a generall replay of no value - as is a good custom here. Last time you buzzed off when I attacked Jeanot's link about dragonflies. You were very excited, because you had some feeling that ancient dragonflies should have been the selective agent responsible for aposematisms of wasps. It shows up to be a nonsense - dragonflies are not deterred by wasps.
Now you claim that I have given no evidence. You are really amusing. I have given here so many links and so many quotations, but nothing is enough for you - and never will be. You will hold to your hypothesis like a dog to a bone.
Last time I sent an outdoor research 2001 where many different bird species (and no bee-eaters) were described eating wasps. Some of them eat wasps immediately, some of them beat and rub them to get rid of their poisonous sacks.
Many bird species have been observed beating and rubbing wasps but it is not evidence for you.
And - Erasmus caught a fit of anger and chceck it yourself what he had sent. He simply don't want to hear such evidence. It is no evidence according his opinion.
I have also examples and links where mammals were observed eating wasps, but it is of no value apparently. Using them you will call me "ignorant", "psycho", "a retired teacher"or whatever...
You would insist on your "aposematism gives wasps small survival advantage" and no evidence wil persuade you of opposite.
No one here was able to discuss any example of wasps eaters. The only answer you were able to give is this : "Yes there are some birds that eat some wasps sometimes. But it is no evidence." Everything I have sent is "sometimes" for you. But there are too many "sometimes" you know.
You are unable to address the problem of proliferation of wasps if it is not scared predators which check their populations.
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I could not answer, but should maintain my ground.-
Charles Darwin
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