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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2007,13:31   

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Reasoning could go. Murder is wrong. Abortion is making certain that another potential human being does not come into existence. However a handfull of cells is not a human being. Preventing a handfull of cells from becoming a human being is different from lawlessly ending the life of a human being. Hence, abortion is not murder.

This goes back to one of the original questions posed by Louis.

How do you distinguish between two faith-based claims?

If my faith tells me that abortion is a necessary medical procedure, and your faith tells you that it is murder, what authority do we turn to in order to resolve this disagreement?

etc...

Well yes.

Don't forget Louis actual claim was validity rather than difference.

It is easy to distinguish beween two faith based claims if they give different answers. It is the validity that is hard/difficult/maybe impossible to discern.

As to the authority thing. I reckon it should be a personal decision providing it is only that person it affects. Otherwise it should probably be down to the law and the law should be made on common greatest good. Although good would have to be defined. Probably common as well.

Steve,

You're right of course, but then so is Albatrossity. I guess I need to be clearer.

If I say "I believe abortion is wrong" by faith and you say "I believe abortion is right" by faith then there is no way to distinguish between these claims at all, for the reasons I gave at length before (again in absence of context, yadda, yadda, yadda)...
Louis

Louis,
There is a difference between "abortion is wrong" and "abortion is not wrong" (both from faith). The thing you cannot distinguish/measure is the validity.

Am I missing something?

Steve,

The "validity" I was talking about in that example was (as Lenny and I agreed as it happened) that you cannot decide the universal validity of a non-universal concept. Of course we thought this for different reasons but the result was the same.

HTH

Louis

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