Joined: Oct. 2006
The Uncommonly Dense Nixplanatory Filter: Second Childhood
A little over a year ago, DaveScot stepped down from his post as BlogCzar. He was seen cavorting in greener pastures - Janie's titillating blog, in particular.
A few hours later the New UD was born, the loudspeaker was torn from the ceiling, a brief moratorium on commenting was imposed, and the New Look UD ventured forth with the rededication of Lost in Space, season three. No more camp theater for us. Alas, the reform was equally durable.
Stevie Steve is no longer with us. WmAD
Patrick found DaveScot's demotion amusing:
Be careful or I might go all DaveScot on you.
But he couldn't keep it up. Patrick understood that simply emulating DaveTard could be offensive.
I also must apologize for the tone of my last couple messages.
But none of that Mr. Nice Guy stuff for WAD
TANSTAAFL appears to be blowing smoke, which he is welcome from now on to do elsewhere. WmAD
Max Kirk: I'm afraid I'm not entirely happy what you bring to our discussion, so you're out of here. As for my reference to professed Christians, it was not meant as a slur. By professed Christians, I simply mean Christians who publicly/explicitly acknowledge that they are Christians, I am as much a professed Christian as is Ken Miller.
This thread is now closed. I'm going to have Joel go through this thread and remove anyone who was getting out of line. Since, Farshad, you thought slowness in moderating was something to exploited, you'll be the first to go. WmAD
Olegt: I'm not entirely happy with the spirit you bring to our discussion. I'm removing you from the user list. Good bye.
Diegopig: Reach chapters 1 and 2 of THE DESIGN INFERENCE. Also, for my scholarly work, as opposed to cultural commentary, look at www.designinference.com
Diegopig & Timcol: You're both out of here.
Scott tries something new: a Graphical User Interface:
A particularly clear (and simultaneously surreal) instance of Agree with me or you're out of here, from Uncommonly Denyse. I think she is drawing upon personal experience:
Houdin, you know perfectly well what a species is. If you can eat a pair of pantihose and live, that does not make you a new species. Also, you know as well as I do that many supercilious but badly informed persons assume that Darwin explained the origin of life. Quit twisting my words. My finger is close to the delete key, but I actually hate to use it. Don't force me.
Lest we forget, you must amuse, and never bore:
Tiggy, you've become boring. Farewell. WmAD
Stripped of his dignity by his experience with Janie, (or was it just stripped?), DaveTard tiptoed back into UD:
I wasn't aware there was anything in Wordpress that allowed you to relocate a comment from one thread to another.
Misery loves company:
DaveScot: Glad to see you again. You've done inestimable service for this blog, and your insights have been missed. I've upgraded the account under which you posted this comment to Author, same as Sal. I want to see you posting here again
and lets ban like it's 1999:
Sophophile: Two points before you are booted: (1) the burden of proof is on the chance worshippers to show that natural selection has the creative power attributed to it in building, say, molecular machines, we already know that intelligence can build machines, including nanomachines; (2) the issue is not the number of articles or books cited, but their quality and detail in demonstrating that Darwinian paths exist to such systems.
Valkhorn & EJ Klone: GilDodgen got it. Apparently neither of you did. With Dennett and Dawkins hawking Darwinism and thoroughly alienating the unwashed middle, the comparison seems apt.
Tiggy: If you want my technical work, go to www.designinference.com. As I indicated a long time ago, this blog is my playground. When I have a moment, I'll be booting all three of you.
Sal, OTOH, just isn't cut out for this kind of work:
Leo, In the interest of keeping the peace, can you hold off on further comments on this thread? Thank you for your participation, even though I disagree. However, I will have to defer to Dr. Davison since this thread is about his work, and he should have some say as to what sort of dicsussion he wishes to entertain regarding his work.
So if you could hold off further comments here, I would appreciate it.
Who is THIS guy? He won't last long:
S. J. Gould addressed this specific argument vis Blyth in his 2002 masterwork The Structure of Evolutionary Theory. To wit, on page 137 and 139 (138 is entirely footnotes)
A Big Moment: DaveTard's first ban since returning. Better put your shithat on, because a shit storm is coming.
Arms are not slings. Nematocysts are not blowguns. And I've grown weary of your silly replies. Adios.
Flippantly talking about priests molesting altar boys is over the top, John.
Yer outta here. Again.
Thanks for the tip, Davescot. Clowns have always creeped me out. He's outta here UHgain.
Take a break, and contemplate these:
I wouldn't give you a plugged nickel for all the music and art in the world.
Music doesn't give me feeling you describe, nor art, but sometimes natural beauty and inner reflection will cause that response. It's not at all the same pleasure response evoked by food, a bit like sex, and very similar to scalp tingling caused by amphetamines.
DaveTard reaches for that tingling of the scalp:
Thought Provoker just doesn't have the right spirit for our little community and won't be with us any longer. Fare thee well, Thought Provoker.
This guy is a real pain in the ass:
Bring on the Poof model!
POOF! You're now in the moderation sandbox.
(I thought DT's rejoinder was pretty funny)
WAD is very conflicted about that tingling in the scalp:
Carlos is no longer with this forum.
[Updated 9.10.06] I don't know what I was thinking. He's back if he'll have us.
Can't fool ole' DaveTard:
Strangelove and Cogzoid are the same person. Since Cogzoid was banned by Professer Dembski a year ago, and it's been my experience that Bill's decisions in these matters are sound ones, Cogzoid under his new name is no longer with us. Fare thee well, Cogzoid.
This is one of the weirder bans/unbans you'll ever see:
If you had the first clue about pets people keep you'd know how popular small mammals are. Hamsters, guinea pigs, dwarf rabbits, hedgehogs, sugar gliders, chinchillas, and ferrets are a few that come to mind that my kids have had. One of my daughters had a chihuahua the weighed about 3 pounds full grown. You can take it to the bank that an even smaller dog would be very popular. All you have to do is google teacup puppies and you'll get hundreds of thousands of hits.
I never said anything about scaring away an intruder. I said a tiny dog would function as a home intrusion alarm while not being loud enough to be a nuisance to neighbors. It doesn't have to be any louder or lower pitched than a wrist watch alarm to perform that function. Pitch is dependent on the length of the vocal cords not the size of the animal. A young girl that masses as much as a large dog has a very high pitched scream in comparison. But that's beside the point as small mammals that have no practical use at all sell well as pets.
Given your proclivity for making up facts out of thin air in a desperate attempt to defend your dogmatic chance worshipping worldview and wasting everyone's time in the continual process of correcting you, you're going to have to find another forum for it. Goodbye.
On second thought I'm not going to restrict ofro but rather point out that he is an Associate Professor of Physiology at a well known U.S. medical college and obtained his PhD over 30 years ago in Germany. It's enlightening that I was able to box him into an indefensible position regarding the built-in size/weight limitations in the dog genome so easily and such that I had him making up things up like there being no market for tiny dogs and thus no one had tried to breach the 1 kilogram barrier. A simple google that takes just seconds reveals the huge market for the smallest possible dogs and anyone with any exposure to much of the real world knows how popular small mammals are as pets for children. Yet this esteemed professor couldn't be bothered to check the validity of the assertions underpinning his arguments. Why would an otherwise respectable professor do this? Hubris? Unaccustomed to being defied? I don't know. But I do no one thing, it's people like Ofro that have caused me, over the decades, to have no intellectual respect for any professor until they've demonstrated to me they deserve it. Titles unfortunately have come to mean nothing. Ofro has demonstrated just the opposite of deserving respect. His inability to concede a point and the lengths he went to to avoid doing so earned nothing but contempt. I'll let him stick around just so I can make an example of him again in the future. A bit of down home American advice, Ofro: People who get too big for their britches get exposed in the end. Is there a German equivalent to that meme?
Cjok is put out to pasture:
cjok just doesn't get it and is no longer with us
And Alan Fox forgot! It's Dave's way or the highway (I told you to put on your shithat):
Alan Fox is no longer with us. His email to Rieseberg said his finding were being used to dispute evolution. I have never disputed evolution (only the role of chance) and didn't use Riesberg's article to do anything other than dispute trrll's assertion that evolution is unrepeatable. Alan knows this and purposely misrepresented what was in dispute.
You're not fitting in with the spirit of our little community here Hawks and your arguments have deteriorated from well constructed to frustrated rants. I'm afraid it's time for you find another blog.
David Heddle is unwelcomed by WAD hisself:
David Heddle: I don't like your attitude. I recently booted you off a listserve that I moderate. I'm now booting you from this blog. Goodbye.
You can't fire me, I quit:
Your delicate flower remark earned you a place on the moderation list. A repeat and you're gone. Capisce?
11 Don't bother. I won't be back.
Tom English learns what happens if you make DaveTard cry:
Thanks for playing, Tom. There's a lovely consolation prize waiting as you exit stage left. It's an Avida generated EQU instruction autographed by fellow chance worshipper/ professor-in-denial Richard Dawkins.
As does KarlFluger
I never said anyone modeled microprocessors at the transistor level. That's a straw man. Tom English put those words in my mouth. He said modeling evolution at the protein level is like modeling processors at the transistor level. I replied with an article talking about modeling processors at the gate level. I presumed Tom knew that gates are just a few transistors each and wouldn't quibble. But of course to save your egos both of you did continue to quibble.
In point of fact electronics are modeled and understood even at the quantum scale as necessary. I suspect both you and English knew that but are simply too intellectually dishonest to admit that biological systems are not well enough understood to model them like a microprocessor.
You're done here, Karl. I find your dishonesty offensive.
And yours truly:
And just so we are clear, that's the last bit of stupidity you're going to be posting here. Hasta la vista, baby.
JAD's immortal question
John A. Davison
Who is left?
WAD is left:
MikeFNQ: There's a phenomenon called a neighborhood effect, in which similar entities enhance and reinforce each other. I've removed you from the forum
The forces of whackery collide:
John Davison is no longer with us due to abusive personal emails sent to me by him.
Due to his refusing to recognize that snowflake patterns derived from looking at snowflakes is self-referential DharmaBum is no longer with us. He's done wasting our time here.
Crandaddy is gonna hafta grow a pair if he expects to moderate here:
Speaking of anger, mine is growing fast. To compare my silence with regard to the Wikipedia article to a bystander watching a woman being murdered is a low blow, and you should know that. I believe I have sufficiently justified my course of action, and if you don't like it, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I've never banned a commenter before, and really don't want to start now. I fear that one more comment from you will be enough for me to give you the boot; it is for this reason that I'm closing this thread.
Eugenics is good science with repugnant ethical implications.
Don't bother responding, DvK. I've reached the limit of how much time I'm willing to spend correcting your comments. You're history here.
No limit to the pseudoscience, but pseudotheology is another thing entirely.
JaredL: You are herewith limited to two theological posts on any thread. Your confidence in your theological position is out of keeping with its pedigree. Augustine, the Cappadocian Fathers, and Thomas were not slouches and did not derive the reductio ad absurdum that you do. Let's get this thread back on track, which is the connection between atheistic Darwinism, determinism, and the inability, as a matter of practical life, to live out the latter.
DaveTard doesn't get that you can't simultaneously be both good cop and bad cop:
There has been debate among the moderators whether to ban you. I defended you. However, given your uninformed comment that ID claims the designer is God I'm going to admit an error and correct it right now. You're history.
Waste not want not:
In answer to your question, have you seen any posts by Phil here?
PhilVaz wasn't just banned for this one comment. As I mentioned his banishment was debated among the moderators some time ago for badly misquoting Todd Norquist. I defended Phil at the time but I realize now I shouldn't have.
As to your request that I ban you too. No problem. It's done.
And the shitstorm continues. Maybe this is that flood they've been talking about:
ScaryFacts is no longer with us. After looking at his blog I determined that he isn't the kind of person that belongs in our community.
Frisbee has been weeded out.
Kristine briefly shimmies through:
kharley471: Adios o thou who art enomored with 19th century mystery religions. Thou shalt be greatly missed.
DaveScot sees an analogy:
I just threw up.
And I just banned you.
Zachriel gets banned AND censored yet again. He's gonna remember that.
Get lost Zachriel. I gave you a second chance to mend your ways but you're still running about on the net posting trash talk about our site here. I consider that duplicitous and don't want your two-faced kind around here. Hasta la vista. I'll be deleting your previous comments along with you. Call it taking out the trash.
I've had it with you. Go find somewhere else to post your pap.
.As a reward for your fabricated-on-the-fly stupidity about SETI you are hereby banished from this blog. Have a nice life.
Just the facts as PWE goes down by WAD's hand:
PWE is no longer with us. WmAD
Three strikes and you're out, Robin. I've had quite enough of correcting your shabby comments.
KL is no longer with us. A new user flying off the handle because he was asked and failed to provide a better reference for the Templeton Foundation's supposed request for ID research proposals isn't acceptable here.
So if we say something can falsify ID and it happens you just know we'll somehow renege on what we said.
You're out of here. Buh bye
Time out for a classic: Teach the controversy:
Okay, I changed putz to schlemiel. Satisfied?
Putz sounds better, so we're back to putz.
(This is the Isaac Newton of information theory speaking, mind you.)
Putz does have a better sound to it. No argument there. Absent a more complete single word descriptor I guess it'll have to do. Dickweed would be more hip. Beavis and Butthead really popularized it
I'm beginning to find you tiresome, Raing Bee. Goodbye. WmAD
Hooligans begins his journey home:
Hooligans is no longer with us. We fail to impress him and he fails to impress us.
How far have they fallen? A classic:
|16 December 2006|
The voice in the Judge Jones School of Law
Over at www.overwhelmingevidence.com there is a flash animation featuring Judge Jones spouting inanities (inanities that he actually did write or say). There's been a design inference made that it's my voice in the Jones animation. A disgruntled former UD commenter KeithS slowed it down and lowered the pitch. Well, it's true, it actually is me. But that's only temporary. We are inviting Judge Jones to do himself. Stay tuned.
17 December 2006
Flatulence removed from The Judge Jones School of Law
The Rembrandt of flash animation and I are working to enhance The Judge Jones School of Law. As a first step we have made the animation less offensive to more refined sensibilities. All the overt flatulence has therefore been removed. Go to www.overwhelmingevidence.com for the less objectional version of this animation (we are keeping the original, however, so that when the history of evolution's demise is written, all versions of this animation will be available to historians).
A sucker punch ban:
Larry, why do Darwinists insist on calling ID creationism?
You'll need to answer on your own blog because you're no longer welcome on this one.
Febble was way too smart to last at UD
febble is no longer with us - anyone who doesn't understand how natural selection works to conserve (or not) genomic information yet insists on writing long winded anti-ID comments filled with errors due to lack of understanding of the basics is just not a constructive member - good luck on your next blog febble.
This is your last comment in this thread. You're just cluttering it up with nonsense and pedantry.
Kengee is no longer with us. Denyse, longsuffering is a virtue, but not with the insufferable.
steveh is no longer with us
That's so hopelessy wrong I hardly know where to begin. I think you need to find a different blog.
Now pay special attention. Amadan has been made not to exist. But we know he did in fact exist, because he was well liked as he set his hook:
Great comment. Welcome.
Amadan can't be seen, but his silhouette in negative space can be felt:
Any science fiction fans out there remember what Dr Who's time machine was called?
...Intelligent people of all backgrounds experience the numinous which can be quite compelling, quite impossible to ignore, and thus resists discounting by rationalization.
That is not good ‘evidence for a god'. Agree?
It's good evidence for the millions or billions of people who experience it.
You have no evidence of self-awareness in anyone but yourself except for testimony from others that they too feel self-aware. What's the difference in kind or quality of evidence between that and the numinous?[/quote]
Dear Reader (did I just sound like O'Leary? Take me out back and shoot me), please appreciate that I am now wading through countless global warming, DCA, and the sound of some dumb thing or other exploding posts. On and on its dysfunctional way UD goes, and I stagger forward, shithat pulled hard down over my ears:
.Inferring that something is designed does not require knowing how it was manufactured. You clearly can't accept that so there's really no reason for you to continue here.
We all need a break. Hell, I need a break:
It just ocurred to me that according to Ernst Mayr I must be a different species from Inuits. We're reproductively isolated by geography and there isn't a snowball's chance in south central Texas I'd be attracted to an Inuit woman anyhow even though we're probably still physically compatible on a hypothetical basis sort of like brown bears and polar bears.
Ilion is no longer with us. His first comment here included the rather grandiose claim that he is certain he can show us modern evolutionary theory is false. His subsequent comments have been large on claims and short on substance. We wish him luck and await his Nobel prize for disproving ToE but won't be holding our collective breath in the interim.
Anybody looking for Bilbo's comments if he hadn't been such an ass they would have stayed up. As a general rule any comment that starts out with the theme I don't expect this to get posted because disagreement isn't tolerated I consider to be a death wish and I grant the wish. So don't do it.
Some time back I wrote that it can be used to advantage that the other side thinks we're such morons.
George Murphy: Your D&D comment merits a boot. I see subsequently that are claiming to remove yourself from the discussion here. That's a happy coincidence. Yet to ensure that you don't change your mind, I'm disabling your posting privileges.
bdelloid is no longer with us.
Pixie is no longer with us.
JAM is no longer with us.
Patrick Caldon is no longer with us.
Attention must be paid:
Hermagoras is no longer with us...
We come now, at last, to the most recent banning I detected at UD:
JT75 is no longer with us. There are other forums where his views will receive a much warmer embrace.
JT75 emailed me, and I gave him the option to reregister. Perhaps I was hasty.
JT75 has been invited back to the blog.
I find it fitting that this final entry depicts WAD, and UD, staggering in circles, because it beautifully characterizes the state of ID. Indeed, having scanned every post at UD (most very quickly) I was in the end struck by how empty it has become, relative to it's high points of dysfunctional vitality. Again, like ID itself.
Two more to close this post:
...That's fine. I expect I'll get a lot of opinions on this topic.
Someone should keep a compilation of dirty darwinist tricks. It'll be full time job needing frequent attention.
Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace