Ftk
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| Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Dec. 31 2007,07:18) | IMHO, this conversation is going nowhere. It will continue to go nowhere until we agree on some definitions, and try to narrow the focus a bit. Arguing about "morals" is, as the evidence shows, a bit too broad. And making up idiosyncratic terms (WTF is "moral darwinism"????) is worse than useless.
Why don't we pick one generally accepted moral value and ask why it seems to be generally accepted? If you want to define an aversion to horse buggering as a moral value, I suppose that will work, but it may not be the best, or most widely accepted example. How about murder?
FtK would say that the law giver gave us that proscription against murder. One could then argue that
1) it's ok for non-believers and members of other religious sects to murder, because they do not believe in the god of Moses. Yet most members of most cultures do not find murder to be an everyday activity that they care to indulge in. How do you explain that, FtK?
2) it was ok to murder folks prior to the time of Moses, because it wasn't expressly forbidden then. Is that true, FtK? Was it OK for Cain to murder Abel, since God had not yet passed along the 10 commandments?
I would argue that because we evolved as social animals, and because social animals have to get along in groups, that murderous tendencies were selected against. That would explain, parsimoniously, the fact that most members of most cultures consider murder to be a violation of the moral code, and may also explain why we still have rare murderers in all cultures.
Your turn, FtK. And please do understand that every time you try to link atheism with a lack of a moral code, you are gratuitously insulting a whole lot of folks here. |
No, I started this conversation and I'll go where I want to with it.
I want to know how morals evolved by the means of evolutionary theory - let's hear the science behind it - because that is how everyone here believes it occurred, and most of you are atheistic so you've had to have thought about this in depth in the past.
Now, I'm still writing my naturalistic story on morality, and it's going to be a while because today is a work day unfortunately and I lack time.
But, after I post my story and we talk about that, then we can get back to your questions Dave. I have no problems answering them...I simply do not want to get off on a different angle at the moment.
And, please Dave, do not talk to me about insulting atheists by bringing up this conversation - several people have been mocking my moral base (the bible) endlessly on this site.
Quit being so sensitive, or it's impossible to have this conversation.
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"Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths" -forastero
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