deadman_932
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Variation is not speciation.
VARIATION IS NOT SPECIATION
VARIATION IS NOT SPECIATION
VARIATION WITHIN A GIVEN SPECIES...IS NOT SPECIATION.
Beyond the obvious evidence that says quite clearly that life on Earth and the Earth itself is FAR, FAR older than you'd want, Dave..you have this little problem:
Your scenario calls for a small number of breeding pairs to give rise to millions ( yes, millions...you didn't include plants, bacteria or fungi) of SPECIES not varieties.
I agree that SOME **less-complex rapidly breeding** species like drosophilia ( fruitflies) can successfully move through a bottleneck and diversify...this is not in question. But finches are not fruitflies, nor are crocodilians fruitflies, and cacti are not fruitflies.
But you need SPECIES, and lots of them...NOT JUST VARIATIONAL DIVERSITY WITHIN A SPECIES.
Yes, Dave, phenotypic and developmental plasticity IN a species can allow humans to breed FOR or AGAINST VARIATIONAL TRAITS in dogs...THIS IS TRIVIAL
BUT DAVE..WE DON'T BREED MORE **SPECIES** OF NOT-DOGS. YOU NEED SPECIES AND YOU NEED THEM IN 2300 YEARS.
WHY DON'T WE SEE ANIMALS CAPABLE OF THIS TODAY?
WHY DON'T WE SEE IT IN THE FOSSIL RECORD...???
WHY DON'T WE SEE BRED DOGS TODAY BECOMING HYENAS OR CAPE HUNTING DOGS OR DHOLES OR BUSH "DOGS"...NONE OF WHICH CAN INTERBREED WITH LITTLE FIFI THE POODLE?
WHY DO DHOLES AND WOLVES HAVE DIFFERENT CHROMOSOME NUMBERS AND CANNOT INTERBREED? WHERE DID THOSE CHROMOSOMES COME FROM OR VANISH TO IN 2300 YEARS?
WHY DO DHOLES HAVE A UNIQUE DENTAL PATTERN AMOND CANIDS? 40 TOTAL TEETH AND ONLY TWO MOLARS???
CAN WE NOW BREED OUT WISDOM TEETH THAT KILL HUMANS WITHOUT DENTISTRY?
Oh, and Dave, where's the answers to the first of the 50 questions in the list I gave you? You sure haven't posted them...nor will you, huh?
Oh, and Dave? you have additional problems. See, your scenario means that you have to include ALL FOSSIL MAMMALS. (remember, you have DINOSAURS ON YOUR ARK, so fossil mammals MUST be included, right?) HERE'S A SMALL LIST THAT YOU BETTER ACCOUNT FOR:
Partial List of Known Prehistoric Mammals that have to be accounted for on that big ol' Ark: http://www.paleocene-mammals.de/pal_list.htm
Agriochoerus, Allocyon , Allomyine, Alticamelus alexandrae, American Camel, American mastodon, American Scimitar Cat, Antilocaprid, Aplodontids, Archaeohippus, Archaeotherium, Baluchiterium, Basilosauridae, Barbourofelis, Brontotherids, Camelops, Canimartes, Canis rurestris, Castorocauda, Chalicotherium, Columbian mammoth, Coryphodon, Desmatochoerinae, Diceratheres, Dinictis, Entelodontidae, Entoptychine, Eohippus, Eporeodon, Equus occidentalia, Equus shoshoensis, Florentiamys lulli, Four-tusked Elephant, Geomyoid rodents, Giant Beaver, Giant Irish Elk, Giant short-faced bear, Giraffe Camel, Haplomys, Harlan's ground sloth, Hemipsalodon grandis, hyaenarctid bear, Hypertragalus, Hypolagus, Hypotemnodon, Hyrachyrus, Indarctus, Jefferson's Ground Sloth, Leptarctus, Mammothus, Megatherium americanum, Megazostrodon, Meniscomyine, Merychippus, Merychyinae, Merycoidodontidae, Mesohippus, Micropternodus, Microtines, Moropus , Mylagaulodon, Nannodectes, Nimravus, Novumbra oregonensis, Ondatrini, Ophiomys, Oreodonts, Palaeoesox fritzschei, Paratylopus cameloides, Perchoerus, Periptychus, Phenacocoelinae, Phobosuchus riograndensis, Plesiadapis, Pleurolicine, Pliohippus, Pogonodon platycopis, Pratilepus, Promerycochoerinae, Prosthennops, Protapirus robustus, Purgatorius, Sabertooth Cat, Scapanus, Simidectes, Tadarida constantinei, Teletaceras radinskyi, Temnocyon ferox, Thylacoleo carnifex, Ticholeptinae, Uintacyon, Uintatherium robustum, Viverravus, Wilmington’s Giant Ground Sloth, Zalambdalestes, etc., etc.
with thousands more recognized ( see list at http://www.paleocene-mammals.de/pal_list.htm ) , along with all HISTORICALLY known mammals ...and prehistoric reptiles http://www.paleocene-mammals.de/pal_reptiles.htm AND Dinosaurs (which DimDave says survived the flood ON the ark) ..AND amphibians ( that can't live in water for a year)... --all fed and cleaned up after by 8 people for a year!!?!?!
What "kind" is a Uintatherium? Go look at it's skeleton...How about Chalicotheres? Why do these things as big as horses have claws? Baluchitheres bigger than ELEPHANTS?!?! WHAT "KIND" IS THAT?
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