afdave
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Thanks to Tom Ames for clarifying one point -- I thought you were bringing up something that was relevant to our discussion of the supposedly "broken GLO gene", but apparently I was mistaken.
Maybe it's time for a review again. I'll put it in bold so no one will miss it ... then I'll repeat it a few days from now for the slow ones
THINGS THAT ARE NOT AF DAVE'S GOALS
(1) Get a biology degree
(2) Become a genetic engineer
(3) Get an advanced science degree
(4) Become a biochemical researcher
(5) Pretend I know more about biology than you
(6) Become a geologist
(7) Become an astrophysicist
OK? ... again, I appreciate all the admonitions to get this or that degree or go buy this or that book ... but it's not necessary ... there are plenty of competent researchers like Mr. Nishikimi out there who give me the data I need, and of course I do have YOU ALL to keep me straight.
And I should point out that you guys do a great job of knowing biology and the workings of DNA and transcription and chromosomes and all these wonderful details.
Your problem is NOT your comprehension of the data or in understanding the mechanics of how things work. You are even quite good at explaining this stuff -- Incorygible did a great job explaining the transcription thing. Spent a lot of time on it too, I understand.
Your problem is simply your interpretation of data and your sometimes faulty logic. I don't fault you for this ... it's understandable because of the overwhelming power of your Darwinian worldview. You have been fed a steady diet of Darwinism since you were very young and it wields much power over your minds (much like a religion) and while this is not a problem for most of the things you do, it makes you fall into saying some illogical things when you start trying to explain your view of origins.
THINGS THAT ARE AF DAVE'S GOALS HERE AT PANDA'S THUMB
(1) Find out firsthand why Darwinists believe humans and apes have a common ancestor and evaluate if this is reasonable. We're making good progress here.
(2) Find out firsthand why Darwinists are apparently losing the PR game in the USA. I find it strange that Darwinists have been so unsuccessful in convincing the public of their views because of the virtual monopoly that Darwinists hold over schools, museums, magazines, the media, etc.
(3) Present my evidence that supports a Designer, followed by evidence for YEC, the Flood, the inerrancy of the Bible, etc.
(4) Help as many open-minded folks as possible who read my threads walk through all of my "SEVEN STAGES IN THE EVOLUTION OF A FORMER DARWINIST."
Again, these are ...
SEVEN STAGES IN THE EVOLUTION OF A FORMER DARWINIST
STAGE 1: ToE advocates are becoming frustrated because their explanations are sounding more and more like pro-geocentrism and pro-flat-earth arguments as time goes on.
STAGE 2: The Ship of Darwin has hit an iceberg and a few brave souls are jumping into life boats before it sinks. See www.dissentfromdarwin.org
STAGE 3: And now, ordinary amateur scientists like me are jumping in the fray and shining the light on their weak arguments.
STAGE 4: Frustration ensues, followed by name calling, arrogant and belittling comments, talk of censorship, and the like.
STAGE 5: This is turn fuels more doubts in people minds. ("Why would that guy resort to name calling? Doesn't he have any GOODS?" etc.)
STAGE 6: Which in turn fuels more frustration and mental anguish. And so the cycle goes until finally for some ... in a desperate moment ... possibly in the middle of the night ... or out on a peaceful lake while fishing ...
STAGE 7: THE LIGHT BULB COMES ON! (Trumpets) And one more Darwinist is rescued from the darkness of error.
Now that we have that clarified, the present issue that we are discussing is ...
THE SUPPOSEDLY BROKEN VITAMIN C GENE IN HUMANS AND APES
Again, some of you need to re-read yesterday's posts because someone made the same mistake today which was made yesterday, namely, someone today was basically saying ...
"Of course humans and apes have a broken Vitamin C gene. Isn't that obvious? Wouldn't it be obvious if there were some tires and broken car pieces laying on the side of the road that we were viewing a broken car?"
YES with the car. NO with the genes.
Your mistake in logic is that you have ASSUMED that humans and apes at one time in their history actually had a functional GLO gene. This has to be your assumption if you say it is "broken" now, and the fact is that you do not know this. Also, you are assuming that you (or the genetics researchers, rather) know enough about the genetic language to even recognize an error. My contention is that we (genetic researchers) know SO LITTLE about any genomes, that we cannot assert that this gene or that gene is broken.
Please tell me that you guys ARE aware of all the new information coming in about "junk DNA" that apparently isn't junk after all (the gene we are discussing IS one of those genes, right?)?
You guys are the biology experts ... you should know this.
So am I clear now? You guys did very well on the Chimp Chromosome thing, but on this thread, it seems you don't have much understanding of this particular issue and many of you apparently have not even read the relevant articles.
Do you really want me to go away from this thread thinking you guys are confused about this issue? Because right now, that's what I think. Remember, one of my goals is to try to determine why Darwinists have been only mildly successful in selling their views on the open market. Your arguments on this thread so far help me understand why this is.
Maybe you can think about some of this tonight and redeem your arguments tomorrow.
Remember, you guys did good just last week on the chromo thing ... I know you guys can give me some substance on this thread as well.
Again, this is really simple ... all you have to do is present evidence of WHY you are so sure that humans and apes formerly had a functioning GLO gene, but now do not. Simple, right? Sleep on it ... it'll probably come to you.
(Oh, and BTW ... I think Atheists are very good, moral people ... it's the long term trend of society that worries me, but we'll get to that elsewhere ...)
Have a good night and I'll see you in the morning!
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A DILEMMA FOR THE COMMITTED NATURALIST
A Hi-tech alien spaceship lands on earth ... DESIGNED.
A Hi-tech alien rotary motor found in a cell ... NOT DESIGNED.
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